Ola one:
My question to you though: Is consensus candidacy democratic?

Yes it is

E.g in the UK brand of democracy Most PM's are chosen by consensus (Not sure)

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/71077.html

Akande was Oyo State Deputy Governor in 1979.

A real and potent period for Awoism

Maxymilliano:
Tinubu-Ojo, whose selection as the new President-General of the Association of Nigerian Market Women and Men, a post held by Tinubu’s mother who died on June 15, had generated controversy , was installed at a ceremony at the late Mogaji’s Ikeja house, which was attendedby market leaders from the state.

THe bolded caught my attention. is the head of lagos market people automatically the head of Nigerian market people? if Nigerians allow this madness that has been accepted a norm in Lagos then there might be no hope for NIgeria. This is crazily crazy.

dayokanu:

Was Akande, Abraham Adesanya and others who chose Tinubu and other AD candidates in 1999 Awoist

You referred to Osoba as an Awoist. That wasn't correct. Daz all.

And guess what happened to the SW after Pa Adesanya and others selected candidates instead of having proper primaries.

Ola one:
Akande has been around for sometime.
He was prominent in the '80s

Akande was deputy to Bola Ige

dayokanu:

Yes it is

E.g in the UK brand of democracy Most PM's are chosen by consensus (Not sure)

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/71077.html

Thank you for adding "not sure"

By the way, you are wrong sir

Katsumoto:
And guess what happened to the SW after Pa Adesanya and others selected candidates instead of having proper primaries.

WHat happened? The AD won all SW states in the 1999 elections

dayokanu:

Akande was deputy to Bola Ige

That tells you he was an Awoist. Not sure now

Ola one: Akande was Oyo State Deputy Governor in 1979.

A real and potent period for Awoism

So an Awoist Akande is now overseeing and defending selection processes within the ACN

dayokanu:

Yes it is

E.g in the UK brand of democracy Most PM's are chosen by consensus (Not sure)

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/71077.html

Finding a consensus candidate is not the same thing as cancelling the primary. Primaries must still be held.

UK PMs are not chosen by consensus. The party leader with the most seats in parliament becomes PM. When you are challenged by someone else and you lose, you stop being PM e.g Thatcher

dayokanu:

So an Awoist Akande is now overseeing and defending selection processes within the ACN

He is now a toothless bulldog, all thanks to the all-conquering Lion Tinubu.


he who pays the piper goes the popular saying

When will dis denasty com to an end?

dayokanu:

WHat happened? The AD won all SW states in the 1999 elections

And then lost them all in 2003 except for Lagos.

BTW, they have all abandoned their Awoism.

Even Babatope, the man's secretary, jumped ship. You see?

They have been outed as wolfs in sheep's clothing

holyground2010@yahoo.com:
When will dis denasty com to an end?

When you and I reject it.
It has to be NOW

Katsumoto:

Finding a consensus candidate is not the same thing as cancelling the primary. Primaries must still be held.

If all the power brokers have found and agreed on a consensus candidate then the primary is just to announce the result of the decision

Ola one: He is now a toothless bulldog, all thanks to the all-conquering Lion Tinubu.


he who pays the piper goes the popular saying

He cant because he also benefitted from the consensus of the AD because Omisore was going to win the AD Party primaries but the Afenifere leaders headed by Bola Ige and Adesanya chose Bisi Akande as governor of Osun

Katsumoto:

And then lost them all in 2003 except for Lagos.

What a retrogression

dayokanu:

So an Awoist Akande is now overseeing and defending selection processes within the ACN

That is twisted logic. There is no political movement that is based on Awo's political philosophy. Those guys conformed to party ideology back then when the core Awoists - Awo, Onabanjo, Rewane, Ajasin, Ige were around. Did Jakande and Babatope, who were supposedly core Awoists not turn their backs on those principles for 12 pieces of silver?

Abeg there are no Awoists in Nigerian politics today.

Katsumoto:

And then lost them all in 2003 except for Lagos.

And they regained them by another consensus selection of candidates

Katsumoto:

That is twisted logic. There is no political movement that is based on Awo's political philosophy. Those guys conformed to party ideology back then when the core Awoists - Awo, Onabanjo, Rewane, Ajasin, Ige were around. Did Jakande and Babatope, who were supposedly core Awoists not turn their backs on those principles for 12 pieces of silver?

Abeg there are no Awoists in Nigerian politics today.

Ige and Adesanya, were some of the leaders who oversaw the consensus candidacy of 1999 or they too werent Awoist?

dayokanu:

If all the power brokers have found and agreed on a consensus candidate then the primary is just to announce the result of the decision



He cant because he also benefitted from the consensus of the AD because Omisore was going to win the AD Party primaries but the Afenifere leaders headed by Bola Ige and Adesanya chose Bisi Akande as governor of Osun

He is a charlatan then. He now heads a party called ACN that is hellbent on rubbishing Awo legacies.

Ola one:

He is a charlatan then. He now heads a party called ACN that is hellbent on rubbishing Awo legacies.

Were Ige and Adesanya also charlatans for practising consensus in 1999?

dayokanu:

Ige and Adesanya, were some of the leaders who oversaw the consensus candidacy of 1999 or they too werent Awoist?

That they were Awoists in the '70s doesn't mean they are in the noughties.

dayokanu:

Were Ige and Adesanya also charlatans for practising consensus in 1999?

That they were Awoists in the '70s doesn't mean they are in the noughties.

dayokanu:

If all the power brokers have found and agreed on a consensus candidate then the primary is just to announce the result of the decision



He cant because he also benefitted from the consensus of the AD because Omisore was going to win the AD Party primaries but the Afenifere leaders headed by Bola Ige and Adesanya chose Bisi Akande as governor of Osun

No, primaries will only confirm what was agreed. Besides, you can't deny others who don't agree with the consensus, the right to challenge that decision.

Ola one:
That they were Awoists in the '70s doesn't mean they are in the noughties.

So answer the question


Were Ige, Adesanya, Adebanjo etc also charlatans for practising consensus in 1999?

dayokanu:

So answer the question


Were Ige, Adesanya, Adebanjo etc also charlatans for practising consensus in 1999?

BTW, they have all abandoned their Awoism.

Even Babatope, the man's secretary, jumped ship. You see?

They have been outed as wolfs in sheep's clothing

Katsumoto:

No, primaries will only confirm what was agreed. Besides, you can't deny others who don't agree with the consensus, the right to challenge that decision.

And they do challenge these decisions.

dayokanu:

So answer the question


Were Ige, Adesanya, Adebanjo etc also charlatans for practising consensus in 1999?

That party had a much better structure than the one-man Tinubu show. It's not the same thing Dayo.

Katsumoto:

That party had a much better structure than the one-man Tinubu show. It's not the same thing Dayo.

You are right.

Bola Ige had mates in Adesanya, Adebanjo, etc.

Who reins Tinubu in now? Please, ACN guys, tell us

Katsumoto:

That party had a much better structure than the one-man Tinubu show. It's not the same thing Dayo.

UPN is still Awolowos party. It was a gathering of people who shared Awolowos ideology.

BTW Awo was the Presidnetial candidate of the party both times

dayokanu:

And they regained them by another consensus selection of candidates

Who are the they? Are Ige, Adesanya, Adebanjo ACN members?