Muslims fly about the "alleged 101 Bible Contradictions" which is due to lack of proper understanding of the Book. But is no offence to do so by the muslims. I hope this is not going to be an offence too.

There are lots and lots of such contradictions in the quran but to avoid muddle-up, I decided to post only one for now.

[Quran 4:82] Do they not then meditate on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy.

With the above the muslims say there is no single contradiction because it is the word direct from allah. From the following contradictions, is the quran still valid as the word of God?

What was man created from, blood, clay, dust, or nothing?

1. "Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood," (96:2)

2. "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).

3. "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be" And he was," (3:59).

4. "But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).

5. "He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).

Only explanations and defences please. No words of abuse.

Smile n stil smilinnnnnn.....
well, this is my quick submissn wtout shown any interest of a competitv/argumntatv preachin pls....
The 'Man' bein referd 2as bin creatd tru mud/dust is Adam from wu evry oda 'Man' is brot on. Dis ar purely wonders of d Almty, as neva has bin or wil eva b such a way of doin tins from any1 else.
All oda ways/descriptn u quoted from d Quran are bin prooved by Science and U n I can testify 2dem al. It is d 'Sperm' dat turns to d 'Clot of Blood' and to a 'Boneless Bulk of Meat' and den what we all know as d development of a human being in d womb. It's actually clear in d Quran, d same way Scientists teach it. U might av consciously or odawise decided to cover such so as to achieve ur goal, i.e d claimed 'contradictions' stuff. I advise u stick 2wht u believe n leave d judgmnt 2God miding dat He knos d best n dat, dat hmmmm, dia cannot b a second chanz if any1 is wrong den.

X-Presie:
Smile n stil smilinnnnnn.....
well, this is my quick submissn wtout shown any interest of a competitv/argumntatv preachin pls....
The 'Man' bein referd 2as bin creatd tru mud/dust is Adam from wu evry oda 'Man' is brot on. Dis ar purely wonders of d Almty, as neva has bin or wil eva b such a way of doin tins from any1 else.
All oda ways/descriptn u quoted from d Quran are bin prooved by Science and U n I can testify 2dem al. It is d 'Sperm' dat turns to d 'Clot of Blood' and to a 'Boneless Bulk of Meat' and den what we all know as d development of a human being in d womb. It's actually clear in d Quran, d same way Scientists teach it. U might av consciously or odawise decided to cover such so as to achieve ur goal, i.e d claimed 'contradictions' stuff. I advise u stick 2wht u believe n leave d judgmnt 2God miding dat He knos d best n dat, dat hmmmm, dia cannot b a second chanz if any1 is wrong den.

Hello friend, I could not see any defence in your post.

What Scientists talk about is not creation but procreation where the issue of sperm drop applies. There was no human sperm drop to create Adam because he was the first man. Then tell me, would the true God have spoken those words? Would God be contradicting Himself? Didn't he know what he created man from?

No one is judging but leaving things as they are endanger the eternal lives of millions of souls. If you are deliberately doing what you are doing, there are many others who follow just because of their ignorance. I am quite aware that they are people who are ready to perish instead of leaving their religion, but such ones will be inexcusable on Judgment Day, they have been told. Thank you and keep pondering on this.

Only ONE contradiction you people are unable to clear and you post UNREAL 101 contradictions in the bible for us to answer. Still watching!!!

i am very busy now, but i will gladly answer your question as soon as am free

1. Man created from sperm and dust
The Qur'an refers to the lowly beginnings of
a human being from a drop of sperm, in
several verses including the following verse
from Surah Al-Qiyamah:
"Was he not a drop of sperm emitted (in
lowly form)"?
[Al-Qur'an 75:37]
The Qur'an also mentions in several places
that human beings were created from dust.
The following verse makes a reference to
the origin of human beings:
"(Consider) that We created you out of dust".
[Al-Qur'an 22:5]
We now know that all the elements present
in the human body (i.e. the constituent
elements of the human body), are all present
in the earth in small or great quantities. This
is the scientific explanation for the Qur'anic
verse that says that man was created from
dust.
In certain verses, the Qur'an says that man
was created from sperm, while in certain
other verses it says that man was created
from dust. However this is not a
contradiction. Contradiction means
statements, which are opposite or
conflicting and both cannot be true
simultaneously.
2. Man created from water
In certain places the Qur'an also says that
man was created from water. For instance
in Surah Al-Furqan it says:
"It is He Who has created man from water".
[Al-Qur'an 25:54]
Science has proved all the three statements
to be correct. Man has been created from
sperm, dust as well as water.
3. It is not a Contradiction but a
Contradistinction
Suppose I say that in order to make a cup of
tea one needs water. One also needs tea-
leaves or tea powder. The two statements
are not contradictory since both water and
tea leaves are required in order to make a
cup of tea. Furthermore if I want sweet tea I
can even add sugar.
Thus there is no contradiction in the Qur'an
when it says that man is created from
sperm, dust and water. It is not a
contradiction but a contradistinction.
Contradistinction means speaking about
two different concepts on the same subject
without conflict. For instance if I say that the
man is always truthful and a habitual liar, it
is a contradiction, but if I say that a man is
always honest, kind and loving, then it is a
contradistinction.

The criticism presented above is a classic
example of EITHER-OR fallacy, or the product
of a frozen mind that does not consider or
perceive time and evolution as reality. If he
uses the same standard, the critic of these
verses will find contradiction in almost every
book. If he looks into biology books, he will
similarly get confused. In one page he will
learn that he is made of atoms, in other
made of cells, of DNA, sperm, egg, embryo,
earthly materials, etc. He would express his
disbelief and confusion with a similar
question. A careful and educated reading of
the Quran will reveal the following facts
about creation:
1. There were times when man did not exist.
Billion years after the creation of the
universe humans were created. In other
words, we were nothing before we were
created:
“Did the human being forget that we
created him already, and he was
nothing?” (19:67).
2. Humans were created according a divinely
guided evolution:
“Have they not seen how GOD initiates
the creation, and then repeats it? This is
easy for GOD to do. Say, ‘Roam the earth
and find out the origin of life.’ For GOD
will thus initiate the creation in the
Hereafter. GOD is
Omnipotent.” (29:19-20).
“He is the One who created you in
stages. Do you not realize that GOD
created seven universes in layers? He
designed the moon therein to be a light,
and placed the sun to be a lamp And
GOD germinated you from the earth like
plants.” (71:14-17).
3. Creation of man started from clay:
“We created the human being from
aged mud, like the potter’s clay.” (15:26).
Our Creator started the biological evolution
of microscopic organisms within the layers
of clay. Donald E. Ingber, professor at
Harvard University, in an article titled “The
Architecture of Life” published as the cover
story of Scientific American stated the
following:
“Researchers now think biological
evolution began in layers of clay, rather
than in the primordial sea. Interestingly,
clay is itself a porous network of atoms
arranged geodesically within octahedral
and tetrahedral forms. But because
these octahedra and tetrahedra are not
closely packed, they retain the ability to
move and slide relative to one another.
This flexibility apparently allows clay to
catalyze many chemical reactions,
including ones that may have produced
the first molecular building blocks of
organic life.”
Humans are the most advanced fruits of
organic life started millions years ago from
the layers of clay.
4. Human being is made of water:
“Do the unbelievers not realize that the
heaven and the earth used to be one
solid mass that we exploded into
existence? And from water we made all
living things. Would they
believe?” (21:30).
The verse above not only emphasizes the
importance of water as an essential
ingredient for organic life, it also clearly
refers to the beginning of the universe,
what we now call the Big-Bang. The Quran’s
information regarding cosmology is
centuries ahead of its time. For instance,
verse 51:47 informs us that the universe is
continuously expanding. “We constructed
the sky with our hands, and we will
continue to expand it.” Furthermore, the
Quran informs us that the universe will
collapse back to its origin, confirming the
closed universe model: “On that day, we will
fold the heaven, like the folding of a book.
Just as we initiated the first creation, we will
repeat it. This is our promise; we will
certainly carry it out.” (21:104).
“And GOD created every living creature
from water. Some of them walk on their
bellies, some walk on two legs, and
some walk on four. GOD creates
whatever He wills. GOD is
Omnipotent.” (24:45).
Walking on two legs is a crucial point in
evolution of humanoids. Walking on two
feet may initially appear to be insignificant
in evolutionary process, many scientists
believe that walking on two feet had
significant contribution in human evolution
by enabling the Homo Erectus to use tools
and gain consciousness, thereby leading to
Homo Sapiens.
4. Human being is made of dust, or earth,
that contains essential elements for life:
“The example of Jesus, as far as GOD is
concerned, is the same as that of Adam;
He created him from dust, then said to
him, “Be,” and he was.” (3:59).
5. Human being is the product of long-term
evolution and when human sperm and egg,
which consist of water and earthly elements,
meet each other in right condition, they
evolve to embryo, fetus, and finally, after 266
days to a human being:
“Was he not a drop of ejected
semen?” (75:37).
“He created the human from a tiny drop,
and then he turns into an ardent
opponent.” (16:4).
“He created man from an
embryo.” (96:2).
” O people, if you have any doubt about
resurrection, (remember that) we
created you from dust, and subsequently
from a tiny drop, which turns into a
hanging (embryo), then it becomes a
fetus that is given life or deemed lifeless.
We thus clarify things for you. We settle
in the wombs whatever we will for a
predetermined period. We then bring
you out as infants, then you reach
maturity. While some of you die young,
others live to the worst age, only to find
out that no more knowledge can be
attained beyond a certain limit. Also, you
look at a land that is dead, then as soon
as we shower it with water, it vibrates
with life and grows all kinds of beautiful
plants.” (22:5).
As you noticed we do not translate the
Arabic word “Alaq” as clot; since neither in
interspecies evolution nor intraspecies
evolution, there is no a stage where human
is clot. This is a traditional mistranslation of
the word, and the error was first noticed by
medical doctor Maurice Bucaille. Any decent
Arabic dictionary will give you three
definition for the word Alaq: (1) clot; (2)
hanging thing; (3) leach. Early commentators
of the Quran, lacking the knowledge of
embryology, justifiably picked the “clot” as
the meaning of the word. However, the
author of the Quran, by this multiple-
meaning word was referring to embryo,
which hangs to the wall of uterus and
nourishes itself like a leach. In modern
times, we do not have excuse for picking
the wrong meaning. This is one of the many
examples of the Quran’s language in verses
related to science and mathematics: while
its words provide a kind of understanding
to former generations, its real meaning
shines with knowledge of God’s creation
and natural laws.

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@ udatso

I want to tell you your lengthy explanations hold no water. They are copied from answeringchristians.org

Anyway it doesn't matter where information comes from. It is the authenticity that is of essence.

The scientists cannot and are not talking about CREATION, they are talking about PROCREATION. It is impossible for them to research into what has not been created. So it is not possible for them to say anything about what God used to create man. It is God Himself who is in the position to tell.

It is true the scientists could confirm how man is being procreated because that is available for them to carry out their research. If they know what God used in creation, why are they not creating man today?

The best scientists could do is 'clone' which is defined as ''group of organisms produced asexually from one ancestor''. It shows they still need God's material (man) to clone. Are these the people who would tell you what God used to create man? Friend, you missed it all. They can't and don't know.

Adam was the first human being created by God. Sperm is from already created man and is not found on the ground like dust or clay or ordinary water.

QUESTIONS:

1. Whose clot (sperm) did God use to create Adam?

2. Was Adam created out of nothing? What about the dust or clay your quran said, are those tangible things nothing?

Please no rigmarole to divert attention from the subject. Go straight to the questions.

sperm is not clot. clot is after the sperm is fused with egg and they will reach the stage of 'clot' like 'zygote or pupae' in the development of butterfly.

there was nothing. then God created something from nothing. then God created Adam from something [in this case the earth and water], which really means that Adam was nothing and was created out of nothing, since the something that Adam was created from [were] was created from nothing [the first source of what Adam was created from via the something].

RoyPCain: sperm is not clot. clot is after the sperm is fused with egg and they will reach the stage of 'clot' like 'zygote or pupae' in the development of butterfly.

there was nothing. then God created something from nothing. then God created Adam from something [in this case the earth and water], which really means that Adam was nothing and was created out of nothing, since the something that Adam was created from [were] was created from nothing [the first source of what Adam was created from via the something].

1. God created something from nothing: What about the dust and clay? Are they 'nothing?

2. Then God created Adam from something: God created Adam from nothing as in 1 and now from something. Can you hear yourself. Confused.

truthman2012 is bright. so i have to be more advance in my explanation. before nothing God was there as Creator; the full Capability was there. So God created something. God used the nothing from which He created something. Then when He created man, another stage after creating something which was the previous stage from nothing, Adam [as] the man was a lump of soil [the something which came out of nothing] and blew the Spirit of Man into the lump shape dirt and became living man. In essence, everything that came out of something which was from nothing originally is actually part of what came out of nothing.

RoyPCain: truthman2012 is bright. so i have to be more advance in my explanation. before nothing God was there as Creator; the full Capability was there. So God created something. God used the nothing from which He created something. Then when He created man, another stage after creating something which was the previous stage from nothing, Adam [as] the man was a lump of soil [the something which came out of nothing] and blew the Spirit of Man into the lump shape dirt and became living man. In essence, everything that came out of something which was from nothing originally is actually part of what came out of nothing.

My friend, your explanation is incorrect. Man was created last, meaning he created Adam when dust and clay had already existed but no clot. Clot, Dust and Clay are SOMETHING, not NOTHING. You don't call something that is already existing 'nothing'. Are they? If clot, clay, dust are 'nothing' there will be no need mentioning them by name.

Your quran says God created man from CLOT, DUST, CLAY or NOTHING. Habaa!! Which of them or all of them? No defence! No defence!! No defence is available.

@truthman2012; you must be like molasses. if you ask me was i created from grass, i will reflect upon it and finally accept and say yes because by vegetation, it means foods that nourished my parents, even before their parents produced them the family way.
obviously, if my parents parents didnt eat herbs, the sperm and egg would not have been produced which in turn produced my parents, who ate the same herbs and got to have the ingredients to produce me.

and as to nothing [first created], lets call the nothing my great great grand parents, the farthest i can go in my bloodline being Adam or myself [your choice since it is an explanation/example meant for you]. the next generation is the first something created out of nothing. is the first something created from nothing? Yes because it is from it, directly.

If we go into the future 1 generation step sequence until we get to the creation of Adam [or me], we shall discover that every something that is standing for every 1 generation in the progressive successive creation process, each of them is anchored backward to every something before it until it gets to the 'nothing', the very first thing in the sequence, like what you will get o each like looking at it backward in a long length of chain with many chain links, ending at the base, the first link. Using a good logical process, you can hold the last link and say to anyone, any of the links before it gave rise to its becoming a chain. no one with average i. q. can argue against it.

So the list of something between nothing and Adam [or me] are what you see listed.

For Adam, since there was not sexual intercourse involved, it is nothing, soil, etc and at the end of the process you have a grown man alive when the human soul was breath into him. That grown man was ready to be a father with his mate and it was only a matter of time before it happened [as it is done on earth so it will be done of sexual intercourse in heaven after judgment or even right now says the bible in the Lord's prayers; though this part is not relevant but meant to emphasis that 100 wive promised by Jesus is even a more robust reward than what the muslims are lavishly expecting in Paradise [we are satisfied with what Allah gives because it is everlasting without ever tiring]]


For me, since i am a child of Adam [as you will not dispute this or will you?], I am basically having the same source that Adam came from, except that there is the sexual intercourse to bring it to full play. so i am from nothing, then soil, then Adam my father with his semen and the egg of my mother Eve, they produced babies who went through the stages in the womb [like 1 link after another on a chain]; clot included; the metamorphosis stages completed with little human coming out that need care now because there is a couple to care for them. so when the little children of yesterday are ready to be parents, they were from the start in one from or the other, eating things from the soil and things that ate things from the soil to get to the stage where they were able to have in their bodies the semen and egg for the production of their offspring [me] through sexual intercourse.

this is good enough for kindergarten or even baby class.

Why'd a reasnble man, especiali wt d situatn here in dis part of d world b searchin d net n b getin busy jst 4 CONTRADICTNzz? I wonder what pple like dis will tell God when dey'r eventually called to give d account of dia livin....
A xtian u thnk u ar, worried abt Muslims/Islamic-followers, livin ur brethren dat are worse dan idol worshippers, pple dat neva kno/undstand any religion of whtever kind and d likes. If u dnt kno as a Muslim dat I am, I care about pple dat neva know and those dat had 4goten (sinful muslims), and not about pple who av refused d obvious truth n decided to go astray.
**Allah is d One who has made dem blind, deaf n refusal of d light, and His is dia knowin, undstandn n heedin 2d truth.
Nobody has sent u wht u'r doin, thus u'r OYO. I owe u jst prayers dat He shows u mercy.

truthman2012: @ udatso


QUESTIONS:

1. Whose clot (sperm) did God use to create Adam?

2. Was Adam created out of nothing? What about the dust or clay your quran said, are those tangible things nothing?

Please no rigmarole to divert attention from the subject. Go straight to the questions.

It seems you didn't come here to get answers but to attack whatever answer you get blindly....if you had settled down to read my answers and clear your mind from sentiments, you could have seen the answers before you.
Let me try to summarise my previous replies. I will answer your question 1 with a question.....where is it written in the quran that Adam was specifically created from clot...give me the verse then we can talk about whose clot it was.
As for Your question2 ....let me reply you with a simple logic since I already gave you verses yet you won't comprehend....who was Adam b4 he was created? Answer = NOTHING.
In the quran Allah said he created us from clay or dust, when clay is dry and wind passes over it, it results to dust....hence clay is dust... And you asked are those things nothing? And I asked you this, b4 d creation of clay/dust? What where they? Answer =NOTHING....my dear, there is no way you are taking this that you will succeed, falsehood perishes in the presence of truth...other non muslims have come up with verses of the quran claiming to be condradictory and hold a better argument than you yet they are defeated ...I look forward to your part2

RoyPCain: @truthman2012; you must be like molasses. if you tell me was created from grass, i will reflect upon it and finally accept it because by vegetation, it means foods that nourished my parents, even before their parents produced them the family way.
obviously, if my parents parents didnt eat herbs, the sperm and egg would not have been produced which in turn produced my parents, who ate the same herbs and got to have the ingredients to produce me.

and as to nothing [first created], lets call the nothing my great great grand parents, the farthest i can go in my bloodline being Adam or myself [your choice since it is an explanation meant for you]. the next generation is the first something created out of nothing. is the first something created from nothing? Yes because it is from it, directly.

If we go into the future 1 generation to the creation of Adam [or me], until we get to the creation of Adam [or me], we shall discover that every something that is standing for every 1 generation in the progressive successive creation process, each of them in anchor backward like a long length of chain with many chain links. Using a good logical process, you can hold the last link and say to anyone, any of the links before it gave rise to its becoming a chain. no one with average i. q. can argue against it.

So the list of something between nothing and Adam [or me] are what you see listed.

For Adam, since there was not sexual intercourse involved, it is nothing, soil, etc and a grown man alive when human soul was breath into him. That grown man was ready to be a father with his mate and it was only a matter of time before it happened [as it is done on earth so it will be done of sexual intercourse in heaven after judgment or even right now says the bible in the Lord's prayers; though this part is not relevant but meant to emphasis that 100 wive promised by Jesus is even more robust that what the muslims are lavishly expecting in Paradise]


For me, since i am a child of adam [as you will not dispute this or will you?], I am basically having the same source tat Adam came from, except that there is the sexual intercourse to bring it to full play. so i am from nothing, then soil, then Adam my father with his semen and the egg of my mother Eve, they produced babies who went through the stages in the womb [like 1 link after another on a chain]; clot included; the metamorphosis stages completed with little human coming out that need care now because there is a couple to care for them. so when the little children of yesterday are ready to be parents, they would ate things from the soil and things that ate things from the soil to get the semen and egg for the production of their offspring [me] through sexual intercourse.

this is good enough for kindergarten or even baby class.

May Allah reward you abundantly. Couldn't have said it better....I think he jst came here to condemn

RoyPCain: @truthman2012; you must be like molasses. if you tell me was created from grass, i will reflect upon it and finally accept it because by vegetation, it means foods that nourished my parents, even before their parents produced them the family way.
obviously, if my parents parents didnt eat herbs, the sperm and egg would not have been produced which in turn produced my parents, who ate the same herbs and got to have the ingredients to produce me.

and as to nothing [first created], lets call the nothing my great great grand parents, the farthest i can go in my bloodline being Adam or myself [your choice since it is an explanation meant for you]. the next generation is the first something created out of nothing. is the first something created from nothing? Yes because it is from it, directly.

If we go into the future 1 generation to the creation of Adam [or me], until we get to the creation of Adam [or me], we shall discover that every something that is standing for every 1 generation in the progressive successive creation process, each of them in anchor backward like a long length of chain with many chain links. Using a good logical process, you can hold the last link and say to anyone, any of the links before it gave rise to its becoming a chain. no one with average i. q. can argue against it.

So the list of something between nothing and Adam [or me] are what you see listed.

For Adam, since there was not sexual intercourse involved, it is nothing, soil, etc and a grown man alive when human soul was breath into him. That grown man was ready to be a father with his mate and it was only a matter of time before it happened [as it is done on earth so it will be done of sexual intercourse in heaven after judgment or even right now says the bible in the Lord's prayers; though this part is not relevant but meant to emphasis that 100 wive promised by Jesus is even more robust that what the muslims are lavishly expecting in Paradise]


For me, since i am a child of adam [as you will not dispute this or will you?], I am basically having the same source tat Adam came from, except that there is the sexual intercourse to bring it to full play. so i am from nothing, then soil, then Adam my father with his semen and the egg of my mother Eve, they produced babies who went through the stages in the womb [like 1 link after another on a chain]; clot included; the metamorphosis stages completed with little human coming out that need care now because there is a couple to care for them. so when the little children of yesterday are ready to be parents, they would ate things from the soil and things that ate things from the soil to get the semen and egg for the production of their offspring [me] through sexual intercourse.

this is good enough for kindergarten or even baby class.

May Allah reward you abundantly. Couldn't have said it better....I think he jst came here to condemn

udatso:
It seems you didn't come here to get answers but to attack whatever answer you get blindly....if you had settled down to read my answers and clear your mind from sentiments, you could have seen the answers before you.
Let me try to summarise my previous replies. I will answer your question 1 with a question.....where is it written in the quran that Adam was specifically created from clot...give me the verse then we can talk about whose clot it was.
As for Your question2 ....let me reply you with a simple logic since I already gave you verses yet you won't comprehend....who was Adam b4 he was created? Answer = NOTHING.
In the quran Allah said he created us from clay or dust, when clay is dry and wind passes over it, it results to dust....hence clay is dust... And you asked are those things nothing? And I asked you this, b4 d creation of clay/dust? What where they? Answer =NOTHING....my dear, there is no way you are taking this that you will succeed, falsehood perishes in the presence of truth...other non muslims have come up with verses of the quran claiming to be condradictory and hold a better argument than you yet they are defeated ...I look forward to your part2

When any book talks about creation of man, it is referring to Adam and Eve, quran not an exception. The two were the persons CREATED, others came to the world by PROCREATION. Are you still disputing that? It is like you people don't know the difference between creation and procreation.

I put it to you that there is no way you can interpret DUST, CLAY, MUD and CLOT to mean NOTHING. They are physical, visible, tangible things that were called by their names. If Allah used raw materials like clot, clay, dust, mud etc at the same time to create man, how reasonably can you say he used 'nothing'. Anything created by God (like clay, dust, mud etc) became something after they have been created, they are no more 'nothing'. Man was nothing [/b]before he was created from [b]something [/b]and became [b]something after he had been created. Period. To say God created man from 'nothing' means He spoke man into being without making use of any physical material My friend, your quran remains contradictory, no doubt.

truthman2012:

When any book talks about creation of man, it is referring to Adam and Eve, quran not an exception. The two were the persons CREATED, others came to the world by PROCREATION. Are you still disputing that? It is like you people don't know the difference between creation and procreation.

I put it to you that there is no way you can interpret DUST, CLAY, MUD and CLOT to mean NOTHING. They are physical, visible, tangible things that were called by their names. If Allah used raw materials like clot, clay, dust, mud etc at the same time to create man, how reasonably can you say he used 'nothing'. Anything created by God (like clay, dust, mud etc) became something after they have been created, they are no more 'nothing'. Man was nothing [/b]before he was created from [b]something [/b]and became [b]something after he had been created. Period. To say God created man from 'nothing' means He spoke man into being without making use of any physical material My friend, your quran remains contradictory, no doubt.

Seems you know the quran better than the muslims themselves....let me put this to you...where you created thesame way Adam was created? I need a yes or No?

udatso:
Seems you know the quran better than the muslims themselves....let me put this to you...where you created thesame way Adam was created? I need a yes or No?

You find your answer when you know the difference between creation and procreation.

truthman2012:

You find your answer when you know the difference between creation and procreation.

Then at this point in time, am done with...you are not ready to reason fairly

@Brothers, seen him fightin ova jst 2words; CREATION (As Against PROCREATION) and NOTHING (As Against SOMETHING), as if he has neva been thought dat dia ar Connotatv & Denotatv meaninz of English words shows his goals and objectvs.
Do u say God is Ur CREATOR or PROCREATOR?
When I say I married my husband while he was NOTHING, Am I saying he was a ghost or spirit or a blowing-air?
Pls lets contn 2pray 4dis man 4 guidance!!

X-Presie:
@Brothers, seen him fightin ova jst 2words; CREATION (As Against PROCREATION) and NOTHING (As Against SOMETHING), as if he has neva been thought dat dia ar Connotatv & Denotatv meaninz of English words shows his goals and objectvs.
Do u say God is Ur CREATOR or PROCREATOR?
When I say I married my husband while he was NOTHING, Am I saying he was a ghost or spirit or a blowing-air?
Pls lets contn 2pray 4dis man 4 guidance!!

You displayed a high level of ignorance here. Are you saying there is no difference between CREATION and PROCREATION. eh?

That your husband was nothing when you married him is idiomatic or proverbial, it does not mean he does not exist. That is not what is used in the context.

From the way you speak you are not qualified to participate in this thread meant for intellgent heads.

Procreation is part of creation, so if that is true, saying man was created by/from substances of procreation is not a fallacy. If the illustrations you have don't convince you, then I'll to put it to you in another way, but I think its good muslims still have somethings to say about the Qur'an while all you personally could do was accept that they are human ERRORS that found their way in GOD's supposed scripture.

The crux is whether man was created from "nothing, dust, clay, sperm, clot of blood". I'll try as much to give you a more comprehensive explanation.

NOTHING; there was NOTHING before ALLAH created every substance that he used in creating everything. Therefore, creation starts from point zero, to the peak of stages.

Dust is a component of soil, if you'll agree with me, and clay as a type of soil has dust too. Your point 2 points to the creation of Adam, as the begining of human. Removing Eve from his body part still goes in line with the fact.

Let me take you on a trip to agriculture. When you plant a seed, it germinates, grows, becomes ripe to feed on. Feeding/nutrition helps the body in several ways part of which is growth. Growth in every system of the body- respiratory, digestive, reproductive and so on. Here let's proceed from reproduction if you agree with me.

The reproductive enzymes and secretion are produced as end product of the food we eat. That is why improved nutrition has been said to be a strong reason for the new age rapid growth and early puberty stages attained by the young ones.

The male organ produces the SPERM, which with order secretion, is stored, then proceeds to become a 'clot of blood', then the leech like substance and so on, according to the Qur'anic analysis of Dr Keith L. Moore.

The point is this;

Going back to agriculture, the seed planted germinates to NOTHING before the proceedings of the plant's growth. Therefore, every food that comes from the soil has a component of the SOIL itself, which may be CLAY. Feeding on the soil componented food, to have an healthy reproductive secretion such as SPERM, forms the CLOT OF BLOOD and then following the Dr Keith's analysis (search his analysis please) before we have the new creation.

The stage from creation starts from NOTHING to through the other stages. Each stage needs the other in order to have the creation and also, each stage may just be the last (which may mean no creation), therefore a fresh stage is a begining. ALLAH KNOWS BEST.

udatso:
Then at this point in time, am done with...you are not ready to reason fairly

Good. You have nothing reasonable to say anymore. But bear in mind that quran is full of contradictions and this just one of them. Be expecting more later. As revelations from God, is it supposed to be so contradictory? Is the god of the quran all-knowing? Keep pondering. Thank you for your contribution. Bye-bye.

@truthman2012; answer this for all of us; are you created by God or not created by God? or your parents your procreated you without God creating you? sometimes in the future, maybe i will just open a thread and challenge the christians [as the bible proposes] whichever of them is/are 100% sure that the bible is correct without any defect or lie should just verify it by consuming a mouthful of concentrated acid [poison] or let a black mamba snake in full bloom of poison bite him. in each case report to us in a week after the event and not seeking medical attention. we can then listen to his story. until then, we say you can't stand behind the bible because either you are no believer, hypocrites or the bible is not 100% pure and you know it or both.

golpen: Procreation is part of creation, so if that is true, saying man was created by/from substances of procreation is not a fallacy. If the illustrations you have don't convince you, then I'll to put it to you in another way, but I think its good muslims still have somethings to say about the Qur'an while all you personally could do was accept that they are human ERRORS that found their way in GOD's supposed scripture.

The crux is whether man was created from "nothing, dust, clay, sperm, clot of blood". I'll try as much to give you a more comprehensive explanation.

NOTHING; there was NOTHING before ALLAH created every substance that he used in creating everything. Therefore, creation starts from point zero, to the peak of stages.

Dust is a component of soil, if you'll agree with me, and clay as a type of soil has dust too. Your point 2 points to the creation of Adam, as the begining of human. Removing Eve from his body part still goes in line with the fact.

Let me take you on a trip to agriculture. When you plant a seed, it germinates, grows, becomes ripe to feed on. Feeding/nutrition helps the body in several ways part of which is growth. Growth in every system of the body- respiratory, digestive, reproductive and so on. Here let's proceed from reproduction if you agree with me.

The reproductive enzymes and secretion are produced as end product of the food we eat. That is why improved nutrition has been said to be a strong reason for the new age rapid growth and early puberty stages attained by the young ones.

The male organ produces the SPERM, which with order secretion, is stored, then proceeds to become a 'clot of blood', then the leech like substance and so on, according to the Qur'anic analysis of Dr Keith L. Moore.

The point is this;

Going back to agriculture, the seed planted germinates to NOTHING before the proceedings of the plant's growth. Therefore, every food that comes from the soil has a component of the SOIL itself, which may be CLAY. Feeding on the soil componented food, to have an healthy reproductive secretion such as SPERM, forms the CLOT OF BLOOD and then following the Dr Keith's analysis (search his analysis please) before we have the new creation.

The stage from creation starts from NOTHING to through the other stages. Each stage needs the other in order to have the creation and also, each stage may just be the last (which may mean no creation), therefore a fresh stage is a begining. ALLAH KNOWS BEST.

Thank for being polite in your approach this time. I'm sure you remember me quite well.

All you have explained about agriculture boils down to procreation. It is true there was nothing before God created anything but the fact remains that everything became something as soon as it was created. Once created, it is no more nothing but something. Agreed?

Something of great interest to to me is this statement of yours: "The male organ produces the SPERM, which with order secretion, is stored, then proceeds to become a 'clot of blood', then the leech like substance and so on, according to the Qur'anic analysis of Dr Keith L. Moore.

This is the point am driving at. "the male organ produces SPERM. If man was created from clot, whose clot did God use to create Adam as there was no male organ to produce sperm when he was being created. Therefore how correct is it to say God created man from clot? Whose clot? Waiting!!!

Why do I have this feeling this guy is an atheist...quran contains no single contradiction or error..so many of us have given you explanations but you have already made up your mind to believe what you want to....QUR'AN REMAINS THE MOST AUTHENTIC BOOK ON EARTH. The fact that you can't grab this simple ideas doesn't change anything..may Allah show you the light

udatso: Why do I have this feeling this guy is an atheist...quran contains no single contradiction or error..so many of us have given you explanations but you have already made up your mind to believe what you want to....QUR'AN REMAINS THE MOST AUTHENTIC BOOK ON EARTH. The fact that you can't grab this simple ideas doesn't change anything..may Allah show you the light

Keep deceiving yourself, the quran is full of errors and contradictions. You are yet to see anything. This is just the start.

By the way, have you not said bye-bye? Why don't you live by your word. Yorubas have a saying ''where you say good night, you don't come back and say good evening again''.

truthman2012:

Thank for being polite in your approach this time. I'm sure you remember me quite well.

All you have explained about agriculture boils down to procreation. It is true there was nothing before God created anything but the fact remains that everything became something as soon as it was created. Once created, it is no more nothing but something. Agreed?

Something of great interest to to me is this statement of yours: "The male organ produces the SPERM, which with order secretion, is stored, then proceeds to become a 'clot of blood', then the leech like substance and so on, according to the Qur'anic analysis of Dr Keith L. Moore.

This is the point am driving at. "the male organ produces SPERM. If man was created from clot, whose clot did God use to create Adam as there was no male organ to produce sperm when he was being created. Therefore how correct is it to say God created man from clot? Whose clot? Waiting!!!

All your questions have been answered in my earlier post. Procreation is a stage of creation, they cannot be seperated. something, once created from nothing only removes it from the stage of being nothing. It does not cancel the fact that the point starts from zero.

The Adam case you are hinting at is the begining of creation, of which the other stages of procreation are attained. You can see that in the point you quoted. ALLAH specifically points at Adam (not man generally) in that verse. So once he was created, the other ingredients can be used and the stages of procreation can be attained for procreation. Read my earlier post again. You'll understand better.