lol your point was slayed before you posted it lol

perfect timing!

*Kails*:
lmfao!

sir these habesha people are clearly mixed race

amahara

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlwkXVcjEe4

im not going to go around in circles. i did last year with royal, somalia11, morpheus etc.
and its pointless.

Beautiful dance.

Look like regular Northeast Africans to be. This Egyptian/Ethiopian chick agrees with me that Africans diverse and yet she looks mixed yet considers horners and some Egyptians black.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU4qaA-oudM

correction aksum was AFTER egypt!!

the empire that was before that was Punt.

aksum


punt

*Kails*:


Their cranial and nose shapes are NATIVE to africa.
that is an undisputed FACT[b]! but their hair (those with wavy) is NOT![/b]

FFS these people once controlled the Axum empire which literally had the northern part of the horn of africa and saudia arabia in its possession. add that with the location, mixing was inevitable.

the FIRST egyptians were clearly BLACK african people but around the same time axum rose to its height egypt too saw had share of non-africans within its borders which is why towards the middle and end of its reign, egyptians depicted themselves as a mix of people.

I already proved its natural adaptation. Get over it!

KidStranglehold:

Beautiful dance.

Look like regular Northeast Africans to be. This Egyptian/Ethiopian chick agrees with me that Africans diverse and yet she looks mixed yet considers horners and some Egyptians black.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU4qaA-oudM

i dont care what she agrees with kid.
she is indeed africa because of location and ancestry however her dna is not pure.

i am jamaican and aa.
i am of african descent but my blood line is not pure either .
i know and accept that. the same way latinos are mixed is the same thing that happened with the horners.

KidStranglehold:

I already proved its natural adaptation. Get over it!

you actually did not.

And those Ancient Egyptians I posted were of the old and middle kingdom when there was barely any foreign populations in Egypt at all.. Are you saying Queen Tiya was mixed because I have studies stating otherwise.

*Kails*:


you actually did not.

yes I did.

lol if you say so.
guess we will have to agree to disagree lmao

*Kails*:


i dont care what she agrees with kid.
she is indeed africa because of location and ancestry however her dna is not pure.

i am jamaican and aa.
i am of african descent but my blood line is not pure either .
i know and accept that. the same way latinos are mixed is the same thing that happened with the horners.

Thats a void statement. No on this Earth is pure.

And how do YOU know what her DNA is? The highest European DNA in AA's is 20%. Don Cheadle has 20% European DNA yet he would fit right in with the population of Nigeria. The same for Northeast Africans.

Why does this Nubian man have curly hair yet is extremely dark


Dry heat adaptation maybe

yet you have some afar who look like this.



you cannot convince me that somehow due to SELECTIVE mutation and simple adaptation his hair looks this way

he is from eritrea which is literally across the arab peninsula and close to Djibouti
where other mixed cushites live (oromo and somali).

another one.

dark skin, straight nose, kinky hair clearly in artificial twits that may lock up.



they are dark because they are BLACK. HELLO!

GUESS WHERE THESE KIDS ARE FROM...



(picture taken in the 1970s)

*Kails*:
lol if you say so.
guess we will have to agree to disagree lmao

I'm not saying Africans can have hair like this.


No that would be silly. But something frizzy or wavy due to living in dry heat. Wavy hair is NEEDED in that type of environment.

You talk about Somalis may being mixed with Yemenis/Arabians.

Then what about dry adapted Yemenis like these?



They're extremely dark yet with wavy hair. And they live in the SAME dry environment as horners.

This extreme dark African also has wavy hair.


Sorry for bothering you Kails, but I'm just trying to tell you that wavy hair being native to Africa is not as preposterous as you think.


yeah we can agree to disagree.

so you ignore the fact that i posted maps of saudi arabians once being part of east african empires
and ask me why some look like them? seriously kid?

wow just wow. -_-

@Kails

You say wavy hair in Africa is due to ancient foreign admixture. African Americans have ancient European admixture. Why don't we have wavy hair? If Somalis are mainly African with ancient foreign admixture(which is true) then why do they have wavy hair and not kinky?

http://www.joshuaproject.net/people-profile.php?peo3=14983&rog3=YM

About 55,000 Somali live in Yemen's capital city of Aden

Amhara, Ethiopian of Yemen
http://www.joshuaproject.net/people-profile.php?peo3=10294&rog3=YM

not very detailed but the point is some of those people you posted are present day
children of horner refugees and many of them have also been there for hundreds of years.

*Kails*:
so you ignore the fact that i posted maps of saudi arabians once being part of east african empires
and ask me why some look like them? seriously kid?

wow just wow. -_-

I seen the map. And why can't it be the other way around?

KidStranglehold: @Kails

You say wavy hair in Africa is due to ancient foreign admixture. African Americans have ancient European admixture. Why don't we have wavy hair? If Somalis are mainly African with ancient foreign admixture(which is true) then why do they have wavy hair and not kinky?

in the next 1000 years AAs and other afro. diasporans will NOT look like we do today.
lol trust me. the nose shape may be the same and body but the hair will change trust me.

KidStranglehold:



I seen the map. And why can't it be the other way around?

because it wasn't.
there have been several migrations back INTO africa as far as the arab peninsula is concerned.

*Kails*:


in the next 1000 years AAs and other afro. diasporans will NOT look like we do today.
lol trust me. the nose shape may be the same and body but the hair will change trust me.

No...The point I was trying to make is that Somalis have predominant African genes like AA's yet their hair is still wavy while AA's are kinky. Why is that? Wouldn't Somalis still have kinky hair. Somalis have African DNA around 80% yet have wavy type hair.

I know Afro diasporans are going to change in the future. And what about this African?


Is its wavy hair due to ancient foreign admixture?

*Kails*:


because it wasn't.
there have been several migrations back INTO africa as far as the arab peninsula is concerned.

There has been African migrations out to as pointed by Keita.

"The issue of how much Paleolithic migration from the Near East there may have been is intriguing, and the mitochondrial DNA variation may need to be reassessed as to what can be considered to be only of "Eurasian origin" because if hunters and gatherers roamed between the Saharan and supra-Saharan regions and Eurasia it might be difficult to determine exactly "where" a mutation arose.-- Keita, In Hot Pursuit of Language in Prehistory ed. John Benjamins.(2008)

KidStranglehold:

No...The point I was trying to make is that Somalis have predominant African genes like AA's yet their hair is still wavy while AA's are kinky. Why is that? Wouldn't Somalis still have kinky hair. Somalis have African DNA around 80% yet have wavy type hair.

I know Afro diasporans are going to change in the future.

they are the product of generational mixing and yes some DO still have "nappy" hair though they are now lesser in number than those with softer hair. (see that picture of the kids i posted from the 70s?)

IGNORE what she is talking about. lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF5LxQwZNmQ

somali prankster
ignore his actions just look @ his hair.

http://youtu.be/HsepH49G1H4

see the girl @ 16:11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_H9PbhyCKQ

you will still find some like that there,
although somalis for the most part have SOFTER hair due to generational mixing.

Alleged massive influx of Europeans and Middle Easterners
to give the ancient peoples hair variation did not happen.
Such variation was already in place as part of Africa' built in
genetic and phenotypic diversity.
As regards diameter, the average diameter of the Semna sample
was close to both the Northwest European and East African
samples. T[b]his again suggests a range of built-in African
indigenous variability[/b], and calls into questions various
migration theories to the Nile Valley. One study for example
(Keita 2005) tested the model of C. Loring Brace (1993) as to
the notion of incoming European migrants replacing
indigenous peoples of the Nile Valley. Brace's work had also
suggested a relationship between northwest Europeans such as
Scandanavians and African peoples of the Horn. Data analysis
failed to support this model, instead clustering samples much
closer to African series than to Europeans. Keita concluded that
similarities between African data in his survey (skulls, etc) and
non-Africans was not due to gene flow, but a subset of built-in
African variability.

Ancient Egyptians cluster much closer to other Egyptians and
Nubians. A later study by Brace, (Brace 2005- The
questionable contribution..) groups ancient Egyptian
populations like the Naqada closer to Nubians and Somalis
than European, Mediterranean or Middle Eastern populations,
and places various Nubians samples closer to Tanzanian,
Dahomeian, and Congoid data points than to Europeans and
Middle easterners. The limb proportion studies of Zakrzewski
(2003) (Zakrzewski, S.R. (2003). "Variation in ancient
Egyptian stature and body proportions". American Journal of
Physical Anthropology 121 (3): 219-229.) showing the tropical
body plan of the ancient Egyptians also undercuts theories of
inflowing European or near Eastern colonists, or the 'native
Europid' model of Strouhal (1971).

HA!

KidStranglehold:

There has been African migrations out to as pointed by Keita.

"The issue of how much Paleolithic migration from the Near East there may have been is intriguing, and the mitochondrial DNA variation may need to be reassessed as to what can be considered to be only of "Eurasian origin" because if hunters and gatherers roamed between the Saharan and supra-Saharan regions and Eurasia it might be difficult to determine exactly "where" a mutation arose.-- Keita, In Hot Pursuit of Language in Prehistory ed. John Benjamins.(2008)

that is what i said kid,

*Kails*:
and one LAST THING

being "arab" does not mean one cannot be "black". its like being "latino", its nto a race but a culture. i truly and sincerely hate to say this but arabs (>>>>those from the arab peninsula) DO have black african ancestry.

they were prehistoric mutts who migrated BACK into africa but their ancestors were like a proto-berberish type originally believed to have come from the horn of africa. (i hope that makes sense).

im going to keep it 100 percent real,
on this subject of linking all africans together i was always right.
but when royal was telling me about the fulani and also the history of the arabs, HE was actually correct in the end. looking at the pictures of ancient horners, egyptians, and present horners such as the afar, beja, sudanese, ethiopians etc. he was correct in saying that wavy hair is NOT native to africa. the people the proto-berberish people mixed with are the ones who brought that phenotype into africa through further mixing. Africa's TRUE diversity IS ONLY found in skin tone, body type, and facial features. #period.

KidStranglehold: Alleged massive influx of Europeans and Middle Easterners
to give the ancient peoples hair variation did not happen.
Such variation was already in place as part of Africa' built in
genetic and phenotypic diversity.
As regards diameter, the average diameter of the Semna sample
was close to both the Northwest European and East African
samples. T[b]his again suggests a range of built-in African
indigenous variability[/b], and calls into questions various
migration theories to the Nile Valley. One study for example
(Keita 2005) tested the model of C. Loring Brace (1993) as to
the notion of incoming European migrants replacing
indigenous peoples of the Nile Valley. Brace's work had also
suggested a relationship between northwest Europeans such as
Scandanavians and African peoples of the Horn. Data analysis
failed to support this model, instead clustering samples much
closer to African series than to Europeans. Keita concluded that
similarities between African data in his survey (skulls, etc) and
non-Africans was not due to gene flow, but a subset of built-in
African variability.

Ancient Egyptians cluster much closer to other Egyptians and
Nubians. A later study by Brace, (Brace 2005- The
questionable contribution..) groups ancient Egyptian
populations like the Naqada closer to Nubians and Somalis
than European, Mediterranean or Middle Eastern populations,
and places various Nubians samples closer to Tanzanian,
Dahomeian, and Congoid data points than to Europeans and
Middle easterners. The limb proportion studies of Zakrzewski
(2003) (Zakrzewski, S.R. (2003). "Variation in ancient
Egyptian stature and body proportions". American Journal of
Physical Anthropology 121 (3): 219-229.) showing the tropical
body plan of the ancient Egyptians also undercuts theories of
inflowing European or near Eastern colonists, or the 'native
Europid' model of Strouhal (1971).

HA!

im still not convinced. i posted this same thing in another thread and it still did not add up.

*Kails*:


they are the product of generational mixing and yes some DO still have "nappy" hair though they are now lesser in number than those with softer hair. (see that picture of the kids i posted from the 70s?)

IGNORE what she is talking about. lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF5LxQwZNmQ

somali prankster
ignore his actions just look @ his hair.

http://youtu.be/HsepH49G1H4

see the girl @ 16:11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_H9PbhyCKQ

you will still find some like that there,
although somalis for the most part have SOFTER hair due to generational mixing.

If generation of mixing was the case then they would still have kinky hair like AA's...And if generations of mixing was the case then why are Somalis still mainly African in admixture?

The first girl in the video seems like she has curly hair and the girl in the second video looks like she has kinky or curly.


"The living peoples of the African continent are
diverse in facial characteristics, stature, skin color,
hair form, genetics, and other characteristics.No one
set of characteristics is more African than another.
Variability is also found in "sub-Saharan" Africa, to
which the word "Africa" is sometimes erroneously
restricted. There is a problem with definitions.
Sometimes Africa is defined using cultural factors,
like language, that exclude developments that clearly
arose in Africa. For example, sometimes even the
Horn of Africa (Somalia, Ethiopia, Eritrea) is
excluded because of geography and language and the
fact that some of its peoples have narrow noses and
faces.

However, the Horn is at the same latitude as Nigeria,
and its languages are African. The latitude of 15
degree passes through Timbuktu, surely in
"sub-Saharan Africa," as well as Khartoum in Sudan;
both are north of the Horn. Another false idea is that
supra-Saharan and Saharan Africa were peopled after
the emergence of "Europeans" or Near Easterners by
populations coming from outside Africa. Hence, the
ancient Egyptians in some writings have been
de-Africanized. These ideas, which limit the
definition of Africa and Africans, are rooted in racism
and earlier, erroneous "scientific" approaches." (S.
Keita, "The Diversity of Indigenous Africans," in
Egypt in Africa, Theodore Clenko, Editor (1996),
pp. 104-105. [10])

*Kails*:


that is what i said kid,

And my post is why do Somalis have wavy hair when they are predominantly African. Somalis are around 80% African...Why do they have wavy hair and not kinky? AA's are around that same percent yet they still have kinky hair. Somalis along with other Northeast Africans are evolved in different type of environment compared to most West Africans, which explains their different features. Africa is a huge continent. Almost as large as Asia and larger then Europe. Its the second largest continent. Why is it a surprise that wavy hair is native to Africa?

btw this chick is hot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF5LxQwZNmQ&feature=player_embedded

If generation of mixing was the case then they would still have kinky hair like AA's...And if generations of mixing was the case then why are Somalis still mainly African in admixture?

Kid i just showed you what various somalis STILL look like today.
some have wavy, some kinky, some soft; etc.

these people are the result of mixing.

you can what you want but like i said in the beginning,
original african diversity is in skin color, facial features and body type.

that is it.

Anyways I'm hungry. I'll see you later Kails.

KidStranglehold:

And my post is why do Somalis have wavy hair when they are predominantly African. Somalis are around 80% African...Why do they have wavy hair and not kinky? AA's are around that same percent yet they still have kinky hair. Somalis along with other Northeast Africans are evolved in different type of environment compared to most West Africans, which explains their different features. Africa is a huge continent. Almost as large as Asia and larger then Europe. Its the second largest continent. Why is it a surprise that wavy hair is native to Africa?

that 80% pertains to the individuals who provided samples kid.
all somalis do not have the same proportions. lol

here we go with that "evolved" crap.

im done.

KidStranglehold: Anyways I'm hungry. I'll see you later Kails.

take care.