shumax:
Yes i am a catholic and proud of it, I am also praying that the day when a pro gay pope will be elected will never come; but even at that Gay people have never been stoped from recieving the sacraments if they lead chaste lives, the catholic church has always said having homosexual tendencies is not a sin, it is a temptation and we all face temptation, but the sin is in given in to the homosexual act. Dominus vosbiscum

ecnuel:

Many a time I wonder whether the Bible is supreme or a particular dogma of a church.The scripture has a very strong stand against homosexuality. Remember, that was the major sin of Sodom and Gormorah. Have you ever wondered the origin of the word sodomy? The truth is that homosexuality is as bad as any other sin. Those that commit sins ask God for forgiveness and if they pray and make effort to abstain from those sins, help will always come from God. THE PROBLEM WITH GAY MOVEMENT IS THAT THEY BELIEVE IT IS NORMAL AND THAT THE SOCIETY AND THE CHURCH SHOULD ACCEPT THEM AND GIVE THEM LEGAL BACKING. They do not pray for forgiveness. Condemning their deeds is not judging them but restating the stand of the Bible. We only remember where Christ said we should not judge but forget he also said we should judge with right judgement. The church should work towards turning them back to God and not accepting them the way they are. Whatever may be the sin, be it homosexuality or adultery, if the sinner does not accept that he is on the wrong path and retrace his steps, he has no part in Christ.

shumax:
Yes i am a catholic and proud of it, I am also praying that the day when a pro gay pope will be elected will never come; but even at that Gay people have never been stoped from recieving the sacraments if they lead chaste lives, the catholic church has always said having homosexual tendencies is not a sin, it is a temptation and we all face temptation, but the sin is in given in to the homosexual act. Dominus vosbiscum

Elijah348:
sorry buh i wanna ask this question, if God wanted gey why didnt he create two men instead of a man and a woman...
And beside's can you become an homosexual if push turns to pull...
NOTE: Am not against or in support of homosexuality.

abouzaid: if u have read the original article, u would have realised that is what the pope said. This whole argument started when some western media started interpreting it to mean that he will be more accomodating of gays than earlier popes.many catholic experts have already posted articles online to clear the air on the issue. What nigerians don't know is that most western media houses and governments support gay rights and are actively promoting it. We also fail to realise that news and propaganda are the just different sides of the same coin. I have read this article in 3 different websites and it's only the earlier article on yahoo news that make it seem as if he was more open on gay rights. They just quoted him disjointedly in a few places and then filled the long article with their own words and numerous pro gay group interviews. This was exactly the same tactics used against the nigerian government during the abacha days.they are slowly poisoning ppl mind to unconsciously accept gay as normal(social engineering).the catechism of the catholic church strongly rejects gayness and not even the pope can change that.

Pipsland78: ...that he does not have the guts to stand for the truth.

Pipsland78: ...that he does not have the guts to stand for the truth.

ARareGem:

There is only 1 volume of the Bible. We do not worship the Bible, we worship God. Fact- we are all born sinners. This means it's in our nature to sin, yet we choose what tempations we fall to. Understand we all hv weaknesses and strengths. So where you fail, I might conquer with ease.

Please, give your life to Christ. He's real, He loves you and He's waiting for you.

akah.p:

'Mr my frnd' i didnt premise wat i said based on d topic. Nd i dont xpet u 2agree wit ease. Dis z a revelation made known by Jesus Christ Himself via smeone. According 2d revelation, Christ Embassy rite 4rm its foundation wasnt of God. Jehova Witnesses they r on dia own. They r not preaching wat d bible says. They preach wat they tink suit humans, not Gods Word. D doctrine of Catholics is contrary 2d Word of God. U shud also note dat me being a protestant dont in any way mek me 2justify al protestan churches, many wil b sent 2hell because of wrong leaders nd wrong teachings.....B Wise!

kokoye: He means he is not God.

Who are we to judge when we are not God?

Instead of judging, pray for them.

my opinion sha.

What would Jesus do?

lefteyeball:
How do you tell which is the "truth" and which is not? pls Answer me

oiseworld:

How can you accept the Lord's teaching half way and yet claim to accept him. Failure in one is failure in all.

Male and female did God make man, which one is gay again. Maybe am not getting you well, but only straight people can accept God (Born Again). You can't Live in sin and expect grace to abound.

ssiaccenture: Do we still remember the event that led to the destruction of soddom and gomorah. a generation perish due to lesbianism and gay in the bible. i expect the pope to conderm gay in strong terms so as to protect our generation from destruction

Agbalanze: My question is....... Can someone accept the lord and have good will and at the same time, be a gay? better still, is there anything like (born again)gay christian??

akah.p:
d hard truth, Catholics dont hav a place in d kingdom of God. If u lik beliv, if u lik dont but dats d truth

Ezegozie:

Are you educated at all?

I ask because your comment does not only portray hatred towards the catholics, but portray a man with a low an unenlightened mentality.

You can still enrol in school atleast to change your s.tupid mentality, its never too late,

And incase you are a christian which i dont believe you are,
tell an educated person to read and explain this chapter of the bible for you

see what mushroom church dey cause, if i tell you people to stop going to mushroom churches where hungry looking illiterate pastors are hell bent in confusing, extracting and evaporating the remaining moisture in you people, you will not agree. Now, see the result

BERNIMOORE:

hello sir,

have you ever read the whole chapter,

it is only talking about food, in which some christian jews were judging the gentiles;new converts who are not jews, this does not apply to homosexuals,it has a boundary read the bolded;



Romans 14:1-23
New King James Version (NKJV)
The Law of Liberty

14 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord;[a] and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died and rose[b] and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.[c] 11 For it is written:

“As I live, says the Lord,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God.”[d]
12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.

14 I know and am convinced by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself; but to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15 Yet if your brother is grieved because of your food, you are no longer walking in love. Do not destroy with your food the one for whom Christ died. 16 Therefore do not let your good be spoken of as evil; 17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18 For he who serves Christ in these things[e] is acceptable to God and approved by men.

19 Therefore let us pursue the things which make for peace and the things by which one may edify another. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All things indeed are pure, but it is evil for the man who eats with offense. 21 It is good neither to eat meat nor drink wine nor do anything by which your brother stumbles or is offended or is made weak.[f] 22 Do you have faith?[g] Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. 23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.

this is only talking based on food! not applicable in homosexual issue, dont mix it up! ok

BERNIMOORE: it would have been superflous for paul to now judge the homosexual AS NOT GOING TO INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD' if he had earlier denied judging them!

read it pls;



1 Corinthians 6:9-10
New King James Version (NKJV)

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers,[size=18pt] nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites,[/size] 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God".

or this again by the same apostle paul:

1 Corinthians 5:11
But now I am writing to you [size=18pt]that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy,[/size] an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler.[size=18pt] Do not even eat with such people[/size].

can you see that?

BERNIMOORE:

hello sir,

have you ever read the whole chapter,

it is only talking about food, in which some christian jews were judging the gentiles;new converts who are not jews, this does not apply to homosexuals,it has a boundary read the bolded;



Romans 14:1-23
New King James Version (NKJV)
The Law of Liberty

14 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord;[a] and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died and rose[b] and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.[c] 11 For it is written:

“As I live, says the Lord,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God.”[d]
12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.

14 I know and am convinced by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself; but to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15 Yet if your brother is grieved because of your food, you are no longer walking in love. Do not destroy with your food the one for whom Christ died. 16 Therefore do not let your good be spoken of as evil; 17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18 For he who serves Christ in these things[e] is acceptable to God and approved by men.

19 Therefore let us pursue the things which make for peace and the things by which one may edify another. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All things indeed are pure, but it is evil for the man who eats with offense. 21 It is good neither to eat meat nor drink wine nor do anything by which your brother stumbles or is offended or is made weak.[f] 22 Do you have faith?[g] Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. 23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.

this is only talking based on food! not applicable in homosexual issue, dont mix it up! ok

Ezegozie:

i am not mixing anything up. What you fail to understand is the fact that the bible is LITERARY sometimes and is not exac in many cases. Can you remember matt 19:24
"Again i tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of God"

if you check the LITERAL meaning of the above statement, it simply means that it is impossible for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. Because it is impossible for a camel to pass through the kingdom of God.

So what THE VERSE IS TELLING US in general IS THAT IT IS USUALLY DIFFICULT 4 A RICH MAN TO ENTER HEAVEN bocs he is more likely to be distratced by his wealth simple.

So the previous verse i gave may not be talking about homosexulity but what it is telling us in general is that JUDGEMENT including HOMOSEXUALITY IS LEFT FOR OUR MASTER AND NOT US simple

Ezegozie:

i can not see anything.

The only thing i can see is that MOST NIGERIANS DONT UNDERSTAND THE SCIENCE BEHIND HOMOSEXUALS

some homosexuals are born with aptitudinal tendency of having Se.xual urge to their fellow men instead of women due to abnormal occurence (MUTATION)

So please, i want you to understand that our pope does not condemn HOMOSEXUALS but he condemn HOMOSEXUALITY.

What it simply means is that the pope does not condemn a man who is naturally born with abnormal sexu.al orientation but choses to live a righteous life of never allowing his flesh to ruin him.
But if the man allows his abnormal se.xual orientation to lead him into commiting homosexuality, then he is to be blamed.

I think this should be my last comment in this topic, it seems some people here don't research before commenting.
Thanx and Goodbye

Ezegozie: hahahahahahahahah

you know, i decided to quit commenting but the humourous nature of ur comments pulled me back to this thread hahahahahhaa.

From your stories and quotations, it seems that you are a church GOER and not a CHRISTIAN though i shouldn't be judging.

But from all indication it seems you regard catholics as people destined for hell and pentecostals destined for heaven.

Now let me ask you a simple question

IF A MAN IS BORN A HOMOSEXUAL BUT DIDN'T PRACTICE HOMOSEXUALITY BECAUSE HE IS A REAL XTIAN AND EVENTUALLY DIES A RIGHTEOUS MAN WITHOUT HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE DELIVERED OF HIS ABNORMAL S.EXUAL ORIENTATION;

WILL HE ENTER HEAVEN OR HELL?

Pls i am waiting patiently for your answer