Eureka007: I pity all of u trowing coments in dis forum saying no one can be perfect,d scripture states clearly be perfect even as ur father in heaven is perfect....wot is not clear here.......again d bible says d kingdom of God suffereth violence,but d violent take it by force.99.9 persent of christain are jokers..the standard of heaven is so high that once u re guilty of one sin den u are guilty of all.dis is hardsaying but thats d narrow way d bible talked about...keep on biliving their is eternal security....only those dat strive to perfection will get to heven....keep on commiting "little little sin"keep teling white lies or little gossip and keep bilivin we cant be perfect......den u end up in hell.may God open our eyes.

niggadee: do u know that non Muslims and Christians with good heart are going to heaven too

damilarelr:

You're right by saying we must be perfect just as our Father in Heaven is perfect, but if we are to go live according to your definition of Being perfect, no man will enter Heaven, John 3:18 clearly stated that your believe in Christ and total dependence on His finished work on the cross is your visa into heaven, not by your works of self-righteousness (that in itself is a sin). Perhaps you need to start asking yourself whether Peter missed heaven for denying Christ three times or Sarah that laughed within herself at that Angels was still listed among the "Heroes and Heroines of Faith", that is the Gospel of Christ, the Gospel of Grace. He is our Lord and Saviour, not our punisher, Satan is.

MEILYN: "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. " (Matthew 16:27).

"For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings: That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" (Philippians 2:13-15).

Eureka007: peter repented from dat sin of denial,sarah must ve repented as well....now ear this my brother in d lord,judas never repented hence his portion was hell fire,,,,.do u know anything about the sactification of d hearth??it a miracle that happens after we are born again.dis is d removal of d adamic nature.d nature of sin in man.the very root of sin which salvation did not remove.wen u re sanctified d righteosness of god comes upon u and u will see how perfection is easy.....thats the easy yoke of jesus.many christains remains at d level of salvation hence they strugle with sin and begin to claim we can not be totaly free from sins

shdemidemi: To add to what drummaboy rightly explained-

The only man that lived perfect was Jesus, no other man can or would. If you do anything in the energy of the flesh, Christ shall profit you nothing, we can only believe and trust in the finished work of the cross for the imputation of righteousness.

Gal 5

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law (or doing something in the energy of the flesh. Then Paul says); ye are fallen from grace.


Anyone that believe the gospel of Christ has the spirit of God in him, if you have the Spirit of God you shall be led by the Spirit.
Romans 8
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Most of Christendom today feels that if you do everything right, if you can hang on, if this, and if that, you might make it. But this Book never says that. This Book says that today you are in one of two categories. You are either lost, and hell bound, or you're saved and heaven bound. It's that simple. This is what The Book declares There are only two classes of people in the world, you're either in Christ or you're not, there is no half way in-between.


Romans 8:15

"For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, `Abba, Father.'"


The moment we're saved, yes, we're born into the family of God, immediately God places us as the full heir with Jesus Christ. The Christian life does involve discipline, but you're not going to give things up that you just love to do because the things you once loved you now hate and vice versa. So it's not a matter of giving it up, it's just a matter of having a change of appetites which can only come through studying the Word.

damilarelr:

Peter and Sarah repented? what of the thief on the cross? what qualified him as a heavenly candidate? Pls, stop making it look like God is just up there looking for only Jesus-like Christians, because that means Jesus died and resurrected in vain.

shdemidemi: Anyone that says he is not a sinner is not just lying, he has also called God a liar.

By the time we see sin as what it is without rating one sin over the other, only then can we realise we are perpetual sinners and we cannot but sin. When you mention sin, people's mind go to s,ex and murder forgetting eating too much, selfishness, not thanking God enough, our wrong thoughts are equal sins before God.

Our only way out is to have the Spirit of Christ in us, when this is done God says His Spirit will lead us in all things (Good bad ugly).

christemmbassey: @demi u disappoint me, i tot u are at least a 'youth' in bible but it appears u still de drink milk when u suppase to be chewing if not strong at least very soft meat. My bros, "a christian can not sin 1jn 3:9, 1jn 5:19. Cheers.

shdemidemi:
Ok bro,


The law of sin says the wages of sin is death. This body of ours is a sinful body, it will die but the real me that lives in this body shall live forever in a glorified body that knows no sin.

m.k.o2005:

Hi bro,as a christian can you live in sin ?

God help us

shdemidemi:

As a Christian you are led by the Spirit of God that is if you are a Christian indeed. God controls the affairs of your life without physically holding you by the wrist.

I would like to ask you a question though, what do you call sin?

shdemidemi:
Ok bro,

I must make it known to you that Christians can commit the act of sin but it can't be accounted against them unto condemnation because there is no law to charge the saint. Every Christian indeed has two natures: the righteous nature and the sinful nature, we can also call them the the Spirit and the fleshly nature. Having the Spirit nature of God means we have a deposit of God's Spirit in us, It also signifies that we are follow heirs with Christ.

There is no sin in this Spirit, that is the real you that cannot sin but we live in a sinful flesh in this world, we sin, we make mistakes but our confidence is that Everything walks together for good for we that love God.

Christ said to Peter after the devil must have conversed with Christ
Luke 22
31 And the Lord said, “Simon, Simon! Indeed, Satan has asked for you, that he may sift you as wheat. 32 But I have prayed for you, that your faith should not fail; and when you have returned to Me, strengthen your brethren.”

Christ knew Peter was going to fall(sin),he won't condemn him for falling but the result of the fall would be in God's favour. Peter would come back and become better than he was before he fell. That is why it is very difficult for any Christian to condemn another.

Apostle Paul would then say

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin

m.k.o2005:

A christian can not fall into sin ?

After the above,i will tell you what the bible calls sin !

God help us

christemmbassey: . the word says "whosoever is born of God doth NOT COMMITT SIN, for his seed remaineth in him and he CAN NOT SIN, BECAUSE HE IS BORN OF GOD" -1jn3:9, i choose to believe God. 2. Whatever hapenend to Peter b4 d cross is irrelevant.

christemmbassey: .

3. Bros i used to think u undastand Paul, pls rm7 is explaining the condition of a man/woman (PAUL) who lives his/her life according to the LAW OF SIN AND DEATH, N/B Paul was NOT describing his current experiences as a christian, when u read chapter 7 into 8 u will get the gist, 7 was despair/confusion, 8 assurance/certainty. A CHRITIAN IS RIGHPEOUS, HOLY, PERFECT, HEAVENLY BOUND AND CAN NOT SIN. When a man RECIEVES CHRIST and bcomes a christian (born again) THERE is a REPLACEMENT AND EXCHANGE OF ADAMIC MATURE WITH THE christ life, thats why d bible says "he IS a NEW CREATION" -2Cor5:17, there is nothing like cohabitation btn Adam and Christ pls study Romans.

shdemidemi:

Yes, a Christian can definitely fall into sin.

shdemidemi:

It is not irrelevant, we can learn from these situations according to scripture.

Romans 15:4

For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.



Paul was not talking as an unbeliever when he discussed about his condition, the conflicts and the conclusion. He spoke as a believer and the 'I' you see him use in from verse 22 is his righteous nature (the real him) not the flesh.

Please patiently look at it.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man an unbeliever does not have the inward man)

23 But I see another law in my members(flesh), warring against the law of my mind(the new man/believer), and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.


There is a constant war between the inner man and the outer man. The more we feed our flesh/ the outer man the more our inner man starve, but when we study the word of God we subdue the ability of the flesh to control us.

Revolva: perfection in what sense, when we humans are not perfect in the first place
thats to tell you religious brainwashed fo.ols that there is no heaven above nor hell below when you die
its just a state of mind and your hell or heaven is on earth while you are alive. Dem just they lamba una