Night$hift:
Chidi Lloyd fought to save our democracy. He deserves a heroe's treatment, not all these bashing here.

Toppiano: I guess he must be mad. Otherwise I find it difficult to comprehend how this kind of man will have guts to utter such scrap and even get some morally bankrupt lawyers as if breaking someone's head with mace is legal

BTW

The present pathetic state of the country is caused and supported by some professionals especially lawyers and policemen e.g.
I can't imagine some right thinking lawyers will defend this idiot; only for them to say things are not working well. How can?
Police pension scam, some policemen are still protecting this fella as if their money is not part of the pension (fund) scammed

I cant believe that you think you have sense..

Toppiano:


He should come and break your head to save democracy...abi? Mtcheeew

Night$hift:
Chidi Lloyd fought to save our democracy. He deserves a heroe's treatment, not all these bashing here.

Izon-tubo:


God forbid.........


How I wish it was your head and face that was mazed...........


Heroes treatment my foot.....


Na person like you wey go go vote animal like chidi lloyd as president in the future........

Mr Aboki:



[b]You don start again abi?!

Talking nonsense that you know nothing about..

What did our Justice system do now?! Was the case not a bailable offence?! So you expected the court to hold him in prison indefinitely. Now let me teach you yat another lesson in law. Even murder suspects can be bailed under certain conditions. Most times when bail is denied a suspect, its either the evidence around the case is so heinious that the suspect might be a threat to the society, The suspects life is being threatend and his safety outside the prison walls is not guaranteed, the suspect is a flight risk or the suspect is a repeat offender. Chidi lloyd is none of the above. Infact, he can be granted bail based pn personal recognition. The max the court would do is to take away his passport and travel documents. #LessonNo.1

Rivers people dont need a thank you from him, rather Rivers People are thankful to him for stopping those coup plotters that tried to unseat the government of Rivers State using cheap street thugs. God also loves Chidi Lloyd. Chidi defended the unity of Rivers State. If faced with another ugly situation like that, we expect no less from him.

Chidi lloyd is not a criminal, be careful how you speak. For you to call someone a criminal, they must have first been 'convicted' of that crime. Since he has not been found guilty of that crime, nor does he have any previous convictions that we know about, he is not a criminal and should not be reffered to as a criminal. Thats why the Police use the word 'Suspect', thats why the law says 'Innocent until proven guilty'. You can be sued for slander & defamation of character right now by Mr. lloyd and you would be found guilty . #BeWarned.. #Lesson No.2

He can sue the Police for inhumane treatment. The police does not have the power to torture anybody in their custody. Infact the police cannot hold a suspect for more than 24 - 48 hours without charging him or her to court. The Police cannot hold him for that long, keep flying him from one place to the other without allowing him full access to his lawyers. Even if Chidi is truly a killers sef, he still has rights. Even a convicted criminal should not be tortured under the law. He may get hard labour, but never torture. Ihunwo reserves the right to file a civil suit against Chidi and claim both punitive and compensatory damages to whatever amount he pleases, but that does not stop Chidi from suing the Police. #Lesson No.3

Our Law and criminal justice system has not done anything wrong in this case so far. Even Oscar Pistorious was granted bail in the case of Murder. O.J Simpson was also granted bail on a 250,000$ Bond during his own murder trial. George Zimmerman was granted bail on a 150,000$ bond in the Treyvon Martin murder trial. So is it a case of assault that sholdnt get bail?!





Na wah for you o!! I hope you are not with the Police. Na your type go see simple accident case, call am attempted murder with a dangerous weapon.

_{Barrister Aboki Esq.
#Street Lawyer..
#Shoe Shiner..
#Security Man
#Cattle Rearer
#Suya Seller
#Kilishi Retailer
#Shoe Maker.
#Terrorist
#Tanker Driver
#Kiosk owner.
#Mishai Seller
#JTF Soldier}

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moodswing:


My friend the law can be interpreted in so many ways, don't bring this lame sets of assumptions based on your literal understanding of the law and not what should be obtainable in a just legal system.

Even when we "suppose" the law is absolute, it doesn't necessarily mean that it serves the course of "natural justice" and good conscience.

As long as the case against Chidi Lloyd is yet to be decided, it is still subject to mitigation or collateral attack.

he can sue me for whatever will make him sleep, but be aware that I never referred to him as criminal. I only implied that his actions showed great deal of murderous tendencies.

And please don't threaten my freedom of speech.

moodswing: Instead he became emboldened like every other criminal whom have undergone some kind of incarceration.

Olivia baby: d police has no right to toture him bt d amount he is ask for is outrageous . Pls y is evans bipi nt arrestd cos i saw him hit sumone,anyway lik lagbaja said e no concerrn me

Mr Aboki:


[b]Mr. MoodSwing Sir..

It would be a big shame if you are indeed a lawyer in real life as you seem to have a very poor understanding of how the law works.

1. You blamed his being granted bail on the 'Imperfect legal system' of Nigeria. Now how you came to this conclusion is yet to be ascertained. Now please tell us in your legal opinion why he should have been denied bail.

2. You spoke of a just legal system. By what yardstick does one measure how just a legal system is. By yours or a set internationally recognized yardstick.

3. This statement 'As long as the case against Chidi Lloyd is yet to be decided, it is still subject to mitigation or collateral attack'. Collateral attack?! Mitigation?! Like whats your point?!

4. This statement 'he can sue me for whatever will make him sleep, but be aware that I never referred to him as criminal. I only implied that his actions showed great deal of murderous tendencies.'

Here is a quote from your previous comment;





I want you to read the highlighted portion of that quote slowly and tell us again if you called/referref to Mr. Lloyd as a criminal.

5. Freedom of Speech... You have the freedom to speak, but only speak wisely.. [/b]

Mr Aboki:



[b]You don start again abi?!

Talking nonsense that you know nothing about..

What did our Justice system do now?! Was the case not a bailable offence?! So you expected the court to hold him in prison indefinitely. Now let me teach you yat another lesson in law. Even murder suspects can be bailed under certain conditions. Most times when bail is denied a suspect, its either the evidence around the case is so heinious that the suspect might be a threat to the society, The suspects life is being threatend and his safety outside the prison walls is not guaranteed, the suspect is a flight risk or the suspect is a repeat offender. Chidi lloyd is none of the above. Infact, he can be granted bail based pn personal recognition. The max the court would do is to take away his passport and travel documents. #LessonNo.1

Rivers people dont need a thank you from him, rather Rivers People are thankful to him for stopping those coup plotters that tried to unseat the government of Rivers State using cheap street thugs. God also loves Chidi Lloyd. Chidi defended the unity of Rivers State. If faced with another ugly situation like that, we expect no less from him.

Chidi lloyd is not a criminal, be careful how you speak. For you to call someone a criminal, they must have first been 'convicted' of that crime. Since he has not been found guilty of that crime, nor does he have any previous convictions that we know about, he is not a criminal and should not be reffered to as a criminal. Thats why the Police use the word 'Suspect', thats why the law says 'Innocent until proven guilty'. You can be sued for slander & defamation of character right now by Mr. lloyd and you would be found guilty . #BeWarned.. #Lesson No.2

He can sue the Police for inhumane treatment. The police does not have the power to torture anybody in their custody. Infact the police cannot hold a suspect for more than 24 - 48 hours without charging him or her to court. The Police cannot hold him for that long, keep flying him from one place to the other without allowing him full access to his lawyers. Even if Chidi is truly a killers sef, he still has rights. Even a convicted criminal should not be tortured under the law. He may get hard labour, but never torture. Ihunwo reserves the right to file a civil suit against Chidi and claim both punitive and compensatory damages to whatever amount he pleases, but that does not stop Chidi from suing the Police. #Lesson No.3

Our Law and criminal justice system has not done anything wrong in this case so far. Even Oscar Pistorious was granted bail in the case of Murder. O.J Simpson was also granted bail on a 250,000$ Bond during his own murder trial. George Zimmerman was granted bail on a 150,000$ bond in the Treyvon Martin murder trial. So is it a case of assault that sholdnt get bail?!





Na wah for you o!! I hope you are not with the Police. Na your type go see simple accident case, call am attempted murder with a dangerous weapon.

_{Barrister Aboki Esq.
#Street Lawyer..
#Shoe Shiner..
#Security Man
#Cattle Rearer
#Suya Seller
#Kilishi Retailer
#Shoe Maker.
#Terrorist
#Tanker Driver
#Kiosk owner.
#Mishai Seller
#JTF Soldier}

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moodswing:

1 & 2

It is indeed disturbing that your supposed understanding of the legal system is based on shrewd personal perception and sets of assumptions formed on a very wrong premise.

One of the principles of the rule of law states that "The process by which laws are enacted, administered and enforced is accessible, fair and efficient". You referenced George Zimmerman's case in your earlier post. Now, Zimmerman was set free even when it was established that he "followed" Treyvon, and in the ensuing confrontation which he obviously caused, shot an unarmed Treyvon. Zimmerman was discharged not because he wasn't guilty of killing Treyvon, but because of the controversial stand-your-ground law, which his defense was based. Even the US attorney general Eric Holder and other high ranking lawyers didn't agree with the law neither with the verdict.

Since you claim to be a sound Nairaland lawyer, you should know that laws must pass a general test of validity: not repugnant to natural justice, equity and good conscience or incompatible either directly or by implication with any law for the time being in force, and also must not do injustice. The stand your ground law didn't do the course of justice, neither it circumvented it..

I am not advocating for an accused person to lose fundamental rights, but that the course of "justice" should be upheld in the dispensation of law and not just for laws to be literally interpreted and arbitrarily executed by the court.

No set of laws in the world is perfect, and when i say that our criminal justice system is flawed, it doesn't mean that the court didn't act within the prevailing laws, but that our laws are deficient and thereby wouldn't serve the cause of justice at all times. Kapish?

THE LAW IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN INSTRUMENT TO SERVE JUSTICE, and when justice is not served in law, then the purpose would be considered defeated.

3: mit·i·ga·tion
/ˌmitəˈgāSHən/
Noun
The action of reducing the severity, seriousness, or painfulness of something.
Synonyms
alleviation - relief - palliation - extenuation

The law was used to reduce the severity of Mr. Lloyd's murderous actions.

On the other hand....

By collateral attack, I mean challenging the validity (not legality) of the relevant laws or decisions by which Chidi Lloyd's trial is based.

4: I guess you have the right to interpret it anyhow you like: 'Like every other" does not intend to make him a criminal, neither it was used to highlight similar behavior exhibited by people whom have been legitimately accused of wrongdoing and incarcerated.

moodswing:

1 & 2

It is indeed disturbing that your supposed understanding of the legal system is based on shrewd personal perception and sets of assumptions formed on a very wrong premise.

One of the principles of the rule of law states that "The process by which laws are enacted, administered and enforced is accessible, fair and efficient". You referenced George Zimmerman's case in your earlier post. Now, Zimmerman was set free even when it was established that he "followed" Treyvon, and in the ensuing confrontation which he obviously caused, shot an unarmed Treyvon. Zimmerman was discharged not because he wasn't guilty of killing Treyvon, but because of the controversial stand-your-ground law, which his defense was based. Even the US attorney general Eric Holder and other high ranking lawyers didn't agree with the law neither with the verdict.

Since you claim to be a sound Nairaland lawyer, you should know that laws must pass a general test of validity: not repugnant to natural justice, equity and good conscience or incompatible either directly or by implication with any law for the time being in force, and also must not do injustice. The stand your ground law didn't do the course of justice, neither it circumvented it..

I am not advocating for an accused person to lose fundamental rights, but that the course of "justice" should be upheld in the dispensation of law and not just for laws to be literally interpreted and arbitrarily executed by the court.

No set of laws in the world is perfect, and when i say that our criminal justice system is flawed, it doesn't mean that the court didn't act within the prevailing laws, but that our laws are deficient and thereby wouldn't serve the cause of justice at all times. Kapish?

THE LAW IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN INSTRUMENT TO SERVE JUSTICE, and when justice is not served in law, then the purpose would be considered defeated.

3: mit·i·ga·tion
/ˌmitəˈgāSHən/
Noun
The action of reducing the severity, seriousness, or painfulness of something.
Synonyms
alleviation - relief - palliation - extenuation

The law was used to reduce the severity of Mr. Lloyd's murderous actions.

On the other hand....

By collateral attack, I mean challenging the validity (not legality) of the relevant laws or decisions by which Chidi Lloyd's trial is based.

4: I guess you have the right to interpret it anyhow you like: 'Like every other" does not intend to make him a criminal, neither it was used to highlight similar behavior shared exhibited by people whom have been legitimately accused of wrongdoing and incarcerated.

MoodSwing: mit·i·ga·tion
/ˌmitəˈgāSHən/
Noun
The action of reducing the severity, seriousness, or painfulness of something.
Synonyms
alleviation - relief - palliation - extenuation

The law was used to reduce the severity of Mr. Lloyd's murderous actions.

On the other hand....

By collateral attack, I mean challenging the validity (not legality) of the relevant laws or decisions by which Chidi Lloyd's trial is based.

MoodSwing: As long as the case against Chidi Lloyd is yet to be decided, it is still subject to mitigation or collateral attack

deletrue: Many thanks. It give me great joy reading through this highly powerful and advanced thread. True, am proud because of your type. On the second hand, I don't know whether you have gone through the one written by one Mr. Aboki? If you have, would you be happy to be associated with that class of Nigerians? Isn't it stupid in nature?

Youngtekkey: he suppose to be charge for assault occasioning harm/attempted murder that's the two count charge he commited ask me for more

Night$hift:
Chidi Lloyd fought to save our democracy. He deserves a heroe's treatment, not all these bashing here.

Adeniyi A.:

who's this?
is `macing` the type of fight needed in a democracy like ours?

jdilight: I support his suite against the police

If he win, this becomes a great victory to the whole of nigeria.

lmagine he win another takes the police to court and wins again and another and another etc, till the police come to understand the boundaries of their job and stop treating nigerians live immigrant criminals.

this will put fear in the police. the human right activists will begin bark knowing they can now cause a storm in a tea cup if nt in a bucket.

just imagine Asari dokubo (ex militant leader) challenging law makers and nigeria, where did he got the moral/impetus. from buhari of course, if big man try and win smaller men will take the steering from him.

This clubbing state law maker is belling the cat of lawful molestation and intimidation in this country less give him a good support.

This victory is victory for all in disguise.