American troops in Syria

I'm looking forward to the day we would have a Nigerian flag flying like this on Proforce or Ezugwu MRAP APC.

dragon2:
Definitions are being mixed up,an attack helicopter is a helicopter used for interdiction of ground forces and CAS whether they are armed with rockets,missiles or just simply canons.The principle is to attack ground targets.So what we bought are attack helicopters by the same principle.What is being bandied as "attack helicopters" like the Apache, are anti_armour attack helicopters for high threat and intensity environments.Mi35 is a troop transport helicopter for high threat environments,that is why the Russians have a dedicated anti_armour attack helicopter.Mi 28.
The goal of the Apache was to stop Russian armoured tanks and AAA from rolling into Europe,that is why it is armed with ATGM and protected with heavy armour.That does not mean that helicopters armed with simple cannons are not attack Helios. Such small Helios are the history of attack helicopters.In fact the mangusta is partially based on the airframe of the A109.

Let me make it simple for you.

A helicopter designed primarily for transport = transport helicopter.

A helicopter designed primarily for an attack role = Attack helicopter.

An A109 was and always will be a helicopter primarily designed for transport... Hence its a transport helicopter

Stargate254:

That's a bunch of bull, blame the African army cause they obviously don't know what they are doing mentality

When you are a sentry and someone attacks your camp, do you all leave your posts and go to where the attack is happening? what if another group of the attackers was waiting in the bush for you to leave your assigned post, and the first attack was the distraction, and as soon as you leave they gained entry to the main camp? did the writer think of that?
If it had been the American sentries who did that it would have been called "Taking cover and holding their position" but because it was the Africans its called "hiding in the grass".

And the capturing and releasing of suspects who were standing at the perimeter fence, Anyone of them could have been :

1. An alshabaab member left behind after being separated from the attackers during the gunfight and was trying to blend in with the crowd.
2. Or could have been standing there with a radio coordinating the attack from a far (Something that actually happened during the garissa attack and thats how one of the suspects now serving life in prison was arrested with a radio,map of the university with drawing of where they would attack, a DVD with radical propaganda..etc)
3. Alshabaab could have left and IED or rigged some explosives and left a guy to wait till military personnel gathered at the location then the guy would remotely detonate the IED while watching right at the edge of the perimeter.
4. Could have been standing at the fence tasked with recording the aftermath with a camera or a smartphone for propaganda purpose.....

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All those are reasons to arrest suspiciously looking people standing by after you have just been attacked, I mean who stands by at the fence of a location that has just been attacked by alshabaab, normal average people run away from the gunfight. [And they were released after being found innocent (but too curious), if KDF was unprofessional, they would have insisted they were terrorists in order to save face] I bet you, if KDF had not bothered to even do that, the same article would have said KDF didn't even cordoned off the perimeter to nab any suspects and just left them to slip away however or whenever they want.
The American planes were about to take off, Like I have told you before, the airstrip side of the camp is very unsecured, so much so that the Americans soldiers in humvees usually place themselves strategically around the runway when planes are taking off or landing to ward off any wild animals or walk ins by people from the bush ---- Where were they this time? They probably got lazy doing that so the blame shouldnt be entirely squared on KDF....

And BTW, if KDF were the cowards that the article wants to paint them, how/where did they find the courage to follow the rest of the fleeing attackers , This was the commander of the attack, he was killed 15km from the camp after being trailed by KDF from the same camp

Ofc! I couldn't be bothered to respond especially almost 2 weeks after the fact. Which soldier breaks cover and deliberately exposes himself when rounds are flying?
That follow up was pure determination and balls! He could've been leading them into an ambush. If he were a US patrol leader the episode would already be on Warfighters2!

Kenya army MD-530F

kabe1:
Kenya army MD-530F

Kabe1 post SDB3 pics plssssss

jl115:

Let me make it simple for you.

A helicopter designed primarily for transport = transport helicopter.

A helicopter designed primarily for an attack role = Attack helicopter.

An A109 was and always will be a helicopter primarily designed for transport... Hence its a transport helicopter

Getting ahead of yourself and posting untruths. A109 is a utility helicopter. Transport helicopters would be MI 8/17/17ISH, Black Hawks or Super Puma.
The only dedicated attack helos may just be the Apaches, Mangustas, Tigers, MI 28Ns and KA 52s BUT as someone said, it is the mission that defines the designation for the utility choppers

The Agusta 109 is originally a light utility helo...
The AW109k is the military variant with combat capability for CAS,Fire support,Armed recce....
Dats all
Anything else...!!?

I like the work Gambia doing to protect its waters from unregulated fishing. I wish Nigeria would do the same. There's lots piracy and illegal fishing activity. There's millions or dollars and lots protein being taken.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jjqH-jonEg

Jimi24:


Getting ahead of yourself and posting untruths. A109 is a utility helicopter. Transport helicopters would be MI 8/17/17ISH, Black Hawks or Super Puma.
The only dedicated attack helos may just be the Apaches, Mangustas, Tigers, MI 28Ns and KA 52s BUT as someone said, it is the mission that defines the designation for the utility choppers

It's the role that defines its designation and yes as you said the A109 is a utility helicopter used primarily for transport but also for S&R, maritime roles, and occasionally fire support..... It's not an AH

Toju200:
The Agusta 109 is originally a light utility helo...
The AW109k is the military variant with combat capability for CAS,Fire support,Armed recce....
Dats all
Anything else...!!?

seconded.... Thank you

To those who say we did not buy an attack helicopter,what type of helicopter did kenya just get?

Janes.com
The Kenya Defence Forces (KDF) announced on 23 January that its chief, General Samson Mwathethe, had commissioned its "next-generation" MD 530F light attack helicopters at the Embakasi base in Nairobi.
www.janes.com/article/93863/kenya-commissions-md-530f-helicopters

Military times.

The U.S. delivered six attack helicopters to Kenyan forces on Jan. 23 following an al-Shabab raid on the military base at Manda Bay, Kenya, that killed three Americans.
www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2020/01/25/us-delivers-attack-helicopters-to-kenya-following-attack-on-manda-bay/

From sputnik news
On Thursday, six MD-530F Cayuse Warrior light attack helicopters arrived at Embakasi Barracks in eastern Nairobi, where a symbolic handover ceremony transferred the aircraft from US Army to the Kenyan Army’s Joint Helicopter Command, according to a press release by US Africa Command (AFRICOM).....
https://sputniknews.com/africa/202001241078130460-photos-us-delivers-six-light-attack-helicopters-to-kenyan-army-amid-troop-withdrawal-debate/

Intelligencebriefs from 2017.

U.S government has cleared the purchase of 12 new American made light attack helicopter gunships to boost the country’s military air capabilities.
According to KDF sources, the new attack helicopters; MD530 F are set to replace ageing MD500 fleet.
https://intelligencebriefs.com/kdf-to-acquire-12-american-light-attack-helicopter-gunships-other-weaponries/


Finally, Army technologies.
MD 530G is a next-generation armed scout attack helicopter developed by MD Helicopters. It is designed to provide enhanced agility and firepower for the armed forces.
www.army-technology.com/projects/md-530g-scout-attack-helicopter/


So did kenya buy an attack helicopter?

dragon2:
To those who say we did not buy an attack helicopter,what type of helicopter did kenya just get?

Janes.com
The Kenya Defence Forces (KDF) announced on 23 January that its chief, General Samson Mwathethe, had commissioned its "next-generation" MD 530F light attack helicopters at the Embakasi base in Nairobi.
www.janes.com/article/93863/kenya-commissions-md-530f-helicopters

Military times.

The U.S. delivered six attack helicopters to Kenyan forces on Jan. 23 following an al-Shabab raid on the military base at Manda Bay, Kenya, that killed three Americans.
www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2020/01/25/us-delivers-attack-helicopters-to-kenya-following-attack-on-manda-bay/

From sputnik news
On Thursday, six MD-530F Cayuse Warrior light attack helicopters arrived at Embakasi Barracks in eastern Nairobi, where a symbolic handover ceremony transferred the aircraft from US Army to the Kenyan Army’s Joint Helicopter Command, according to a press release by US Africa Command (AFRICOM).....
https://sputniknews.com/africa/202001241078130460-photos-us-delivers-six-light-attack-helicopters-to-kenyan-army-amid-troop-withdrawal-debate/

Intelligencebriefs from 2017.

U.S government has cleared the purchase of 12 new American made light attack helicopter gunships to boost the country’s military air capabilities.
According to KDF sources, the new attack helicopters; MD530 F are set to replace ageing MD500 fleet.
https://intelligencebriefs.com/kdf-to-acquire-12-american-light-attack-helicopter-gunships-other-weaponries/


Finally, Army technologies.
MD 530G is a next-generation armed scout attack helicopter developed by MD Helicopters. It is designed to provide enhanced agility and firepower for the armed forces.
www.army-technology.com/projects/md-530g-scout-attack-helicopter/


So did kenya buy an attack helicopter?

OK and? Nobody was talking about the MD530s that Kenya bought.....

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jl115:
OK and? Nobody was talking about the MD530s that Kenya bought.....

what is the difference between the md530 and the A109?

dragon2:


what is the difference between the md530 and the A109?

Role

JF-17 Thunder

jl115:

Role

You have lost the plot.

As the Kenyan MD-530F shows, the role of the helicopter defines it's designation.

AW-109K's in the Nigerian air force are used primarily as CAS platforms, hence the designation as an attack helicopter.

The A-109e is used as a utility, MEDVAC in the Nigerian Air Force hence it's designation as a utility helicopter.

Military equipments across the world have different designations according to the roles they are used.

Japan's IZUMO class aircraft carries are called helicopter carries, despite the fact they can deploy F-35s.

The Nigerian army refers to MRAPs with heavy machine guns as armoured fighting vehicles because they are not used as troop transports, instead fire support vehicles.

The 45 meters vessel the Nigerian navy is currently building is referred to as a seaward defence boat, other countries refer to it as an IPV or MPV.

In Algeria, their 60 meters locally built vessels armed with anti-ship missiles, CIWS and 76mm gun is referred to as a Corvette, but in other countries they are missile boats. In Nigeria we would refer to a 60 meters vessel as a seaward defence boat.

Designations for military equipments are not cast in stone, equipment designations change depending on the country using them.

kabe1:

You have lost the plot.

As the Kenyan MD-530F shows, the role of the helicopter defines it's designation.

AW-109K's in the Nigerian air force are used primarily as CAS platforms, hence the designation as an attack helicopter.

The A-109e is used as a utility, MEDVAC in the Nigerian Air Force hence it's designation as a utility helicopter.

Military equipments across the world have different designations according to the roles they are used.

Japan's IZUMO class aircraft carries are called helicopter carries, despite the fact they can deploy F-35s.

The Nigerian army refers to MRAPs with heavy machine guns as armoured fighting vehicles because they are not used as troop transports, instead fire support vehicles.

The 45 meters vessel the Nigerian navy is currently building is referred to as a seaward defence boat, other countries refer to it as an IPV or MPV.

In Algeria, their 60 meters locally built vessels armed with anti-ship missiles, CIWS and 76mm gun is referred to as a Corvette, but in other countries they are missile boats. In Nigeria we would refer to a 60 meters vessel as a seaward defence boat.

Designations for military equipments are not cast in stone, equipment designations change depending on the country using them.

As for the izumo class carrier it's still remains a helicopter carrier it's just an Improvised means for deploying the F35 since it's VTOL capable.

The Agusta 109e is a light utility helo
The 109k is the military variant which can be used for various roles like CAS, medevac, insertion and extraction, transport e.t.c which makes it a multi role helo end of discussion......

Speaking of Helicopters, RIP to Kobe Bryant and his Daughter.

lots of crashes lately

I don't just understand, is it that Niger government just don't do anything about Boko haram. They camp organise and cross into our borders at will

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=487773702146041&id=180168166239931

Lack of training and equipment, sufficient resources is always needed, Niger is a very very poor country, not saying that to be offensive, just reality (not comparing them to any country).
But they should start by firing all their intelligence leaders, that's pure failure right there, regardless which country is concerned

jteku:
I don't just understand, is it that Niger government just don't do anything about Boko haram. They camp organise and cross into our borders at will

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=487773702146041&id=180168166239931

Sizzorkay:
Speaking of Helicopters, RIP to Kobe Bryant and his Daughter.

lots of crashes lately

Yeah...it's a thing with choppers(civilian and military). The attrition rate is just too high....safety standards need to be urgently improved.

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SAAF A109 Attack helicopters(apparently):

Look it even has a gun

I guess our Oryx are also attack helicopters now.....

jl115:
SAAF A109 Attack helicopters(apparently):

Look it even has a gun

Don't be ridiculous. If it provides CAS it is an attack helicopter.

kabe1:


Designations for military equipments are not cast in stone, equipment designations change depending on the country using them.

Well put. Ignore that dude he will bog you down with nonsense.

kabe1:


Don't be ridiculous. If it provides CAS it is an attack helicopter.

It's an attack helicopter..... It has a gun

TayserMahri:


Well put. Ignore that dude he will bog you down with nonsense.

Rather go look for kenyas mi28s or something before jumping into a conversation you know nothing about

jl115:
Rather go look for kenyas mi28s or something before jumping into a conversation you know nothing about

You dont have to argue till you turn blue over everything.