kabe1:


I think drones have been effective in this conflict. However quite a number of those drones have been shot down.

Azerbaijan has lost considerable number of armour, helicopters and hundreds of soldiers.

kabe1:


The Azerbaijani army is suffering unprecedented losses, while their media are hiding a huge number of dead.


https://mobile.twitter.com/spriter99880/status/1311262340961230854

There are multiple videos of huge losses on both sides.

fabselad:


Azerbaijan would have huge losses obviously due to the fact that they are attacking positions with entrenched troops. U must expect huge losses but I think Armenia and it's ally are having a beating.

kabe1:


No bro it is not armoured. It is a Special Forces Vehicle, but we don't know yet if the military will adopt it.

We just have to wait and see.

The army has only taken into service 2 types of military vehicles. Ezugwu mrap and IPV1 from DICON.

While DICON has 5 different types of vehicles.

Daverytimes:


Which ally? Russia?

youghs:


Bro please do you know whether this ipv is armoured or not.

Tinfoil:
After destroying the Armenian air defense Turkish drones are hunting down armor unless find a way to stop them Armenia is headed for a major defeat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I7e27ju3o8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpZiUGfD1g8&t=0s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0gNRIKCGZU&t=0s
Turkish drones have proven themselves and the missiles are made in turkey too. Russian air defense systems have shown that they are just useless junk. If they had s400 it would be in flames by now

Whyem15:

Armenia fields very old soviet Era air defense systems like the Osa AD. No report on destruction of newer systems like S300 yet.

Tinfoil:


Maybe it’s just a matter of time. But Turkey is a light weight country that somehow is punching it out with the heavy weights I don’t understand what they are trying to achieve

Whyem15:

Maybe we are underestimating the country.
They seem to have gotten away with everything they've done.
Even the Turkey producing the drones being used to destroy Armenian air defense systems recently purchased air defense systems from Russia.

kabe1:


Turkey has the 2nd largest military in NATO, and by far the biggest in Europe. They are a significant power in their region, however the fact is, the big countries like Russia simply do not have the appetite for direct confrontation with Turkey.

The Turkish military would be destroyed in a direct combat with Russia.

Most countries put trade front and center, and Turkey is a considerable trading partner sitting exactly where East meets West.

When the Russian pilot was shot down by Turkey, how did the Kremlin react, it was Turkey that came back begging.

The Drones Turkey makes have been crucial from Syria, to Libya and now the NK conflict in Armenia, but you need to remember the parts for those drones are western and imported.

Look at the sale of T-129 helicopters to Pakistan, completely grounded.

Armenian air defences are old OSA systems. The Pantsir also proved nearly incompetent against Drones, but as soon as Syria for example employed Buk systems, the Drone problem almost vanished.

The Tor system has also been fantastic in dealing with drones.

This Azerbaijan vs Armenia conflict has shown that militaries around the world need to keep up with trends as far as weapons development is concerned.

Whyem15:

Also, they are a member NATO, wars that they know they can't fight or won't get the support of NATO, they beg to avoid such wars. They've been able to blackmail EU several times. They've made many enemies and lost many allies but they still get their way with most things. They had a confrontation with Greece recently, most NATO members supported Greece, Turkey decided to go for the diplomatic option. They know what they are doing.

Whyem15:

Also, they are a member NATO, wars that they know they can't fight or won't get the support of NATO, they beg to avoid such wars. They've been able to blackmail EU several times. They've made many enemies and lost many allies but they still get their way with most things. They had a confrontation with Greece recently, most NATO members supported Greece, Turkey decided to go for the diplomatic option. They know what they are doing.

Whyem15:

Also, they are a member NATO, wars that they know they can't fight or won't get the support of NATO, they beg to avoid such wars. They've been able to blackmail EU several times. They've made many enemies and lost many allies but they still get their way with most things. They had a confrontation with Greece recently, most NATO members supported Greece, Turkey decided to go for the diplomatic option. They know what they are doing.

QuietMynd:
U wan buy one

kabe1:


Rob Lee seems to reiterate what I earlier said on Armenia's drone problem in his recent tweets.



"Armenia could send its newest air defenses, like the Tor-M2KM and Buk-M1-2, into Nagorno-Karabakh, leaving Armenia proper less well covered. This might work if they received guarantees that Russia would help defend Armenian air space from Turkey or maybe Azerbaijan."


"They could ask or demand emergency deliveries of EW or AD systems from Russia to address the new UCAV threat. Or they could escalate, and attempt to destroy the TB2s on the ground or their C2 infrastructure, possibly with Su-30SM or Iskander-M/Tochka-U ballistic missiles."

kabe1:
Breaking News : Nigerian Navy to receive new OPV

Fleet Renewal

Under the Buhari Administration, the Nigerian Navy witnessed extensive procurement of platforms of different types and mix. The government funded the procurement of 267 flat bottomed, assault, rigid hull, riverine patrol and whaler boats. Importantly, about 170 of these riverine patrol boats were built in-country, thus complementing indigenous shipbuilding capacity, employment generation and skills acquisition.


Following the successful commissioning of a second locally built Seaward Defence Boat (SDB) NNS KARADUWA in 2016, local-shipbuilding is being further enhanced through the indigenous construction of a 43m SDB and two logistic supply vessels which are programmed to join the service later this year 2020.

The navy has also deployed 12 Naval Security Stations along the nation’s coastline in areas prone to illegalities under the Choke Point Regime and Control operations.

Additionally, this administration facilitated the procurement of 25 fast attack craft, seaward defence boats and inshore patrol craft. Furthermore, one survey ship, one offshore patrol vessel and one landing ship tank are being expected to join the Nigerian Navy fleet soon while one AW 139 Leonardo helicopter has already been delivered.

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2020/09/30/towards-an-enhanced-secure-maritime-environment/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

dragon2:


I guess we should expect more local SDB's.

FieldMarshall06:


Nah. After the third one is completed by December. We should be planning for a Corvette of 55-70m length and over 1000 tons. Fully armed, ocean going vessel and suitable for combat.

That should be our target now, not building more SDBs. My opinion.

FieldMarshall06:


Nah. After the third one is completed by December. We should be planning for a Corvette of 55-70m length and over 1000 tons. Fully armed, ocean going vessel and suitable for combat.

That should be our target now, not building more SDBs. My opinion.

FieldMarshall06:


Nah. After the third one is completed by December. We should be planning for a Corvette of 55-70m length and over 1000 tons. Fully armed, ocean going vessel and suitable for combat.

That should be our target now, not building more SDBs. My opinion.

kabe1:


Do we have the technical expertise to build missile armed ships?

I doubt it for the following reasons;

1 - We've not had an operational or modern missile armed ship for a long time.

2- We don't have a blueprint to build on. Luerssen FPB57 Fast Patrol Boat was a platform from which NNS Andoni was built.

3- Seaward Defence Boat 3 has shown that we can build modern ships, but building a missile armed vessels comes with it's unique complexities.
Nigeria has demonstrated the ability to master GIS / GPS and precision drone and Rocket strikes, the decision to build a frigate with MISSILES
shouldn't be that far off in terms of Technology transfer from a Land based system to a Marine Based., pretty sure the NAF can help the NN Counterparts.

I don't mind Nigeria building more, but larger SDBs, we have a vast area that needs constant patrolling. We just need to build them faster.

kabe1:


Do we have the technical expertise to build missile armed ships?

I doubt it for the following reasons;

1 - We've not had an operational or modern missile armed ship for a long time.

2- We don't have a blueprint to build on. Luerssen FPB57 Fast Patrol Boat was a platform from which NNS Andoni was built.

3- Seaward Defence Boat 3 has shown that we can build modern ships, but building a missile armed vessels comes with it's unique complexities.

I don't mind Nigeria building more, but larger SDBs, we have a vast area that needs constant patrolling. We just need to build them faster.

kabe1:


Do we have the technical expertise to build missile armed ships?

I doubt it for the following reasons;

1 - We've not had an operational or modern missile armed ship for a long time.

2- We don't have a blueprint to build on. Luerssen FPB57 Fast Patrol Boat was a platform from which NNS Andoni was built.

3- Seaward Defence Boat 3 has shown that we can build modern ships, but building a missile armed vessels comes with it's unique complexities.

I don't mind Nigeria building more, but larger SDBs, we have a vast area that needs constant patrolling. We just need to build them faster.

UltimateDreamer:


The fact that there's even talk about this issue of Nigeria building larger vessels is what's busting brain. Because if one were to think back 5 maybe 10 years ago, even as recent as a couple of years, judging by all the nay-sayers and prophets of doom, Nigeria could never develop. Well, seeing it before our very eyes, yes its good to criticize and not get cocky but what cannot be underestimated is the level of technological progress made and the level of local capacity built in-house.
I agree with both @kabe1 @FieldMarshall06.
on the one hand I think we should aim for a larger vessel after Seaward Defence Boat 3 but maybe what might help in achieving that faster will be a technical partner, one that will provide a handful of engineers to come in country and guide the process of development of a larger vessel. And I remember reading sometime ago that the Naval Dockyard Limited said something about government ordering 10 SDBs ?
Or even more ingenious would be to have detailed technical supervision of the crafts been produced by Damen Shipyards in UAE so as to replicate same once the technical skills and know-how is acquired. This should be one of the core mandates of the DSS or maybe a newly created secret agency solely tasked to acquire technical schematics, blueprints, knowledgeable personnel and information for use by Nigeria's industries, albeit after a process of bidding.
Once schematics are available for a ship like the 1300ton tank landing ship, high quality steel and other integral parts of the ship can be sourced on the open market.
Private companies need to come into this space pronto. yes, there are several private companies involved in the building of smaller boats, but they need to up their game fast, Naval Dockyard Limited is seriously whooping their behind which is just marvelous to see, that a government run enterprise outclasses all private companies in this industry of ship building. kudos