Toju200:
dude jln115 is right it's actually the biggest naval ship built in Africa.
Of course they'll import some parts to build it but it's their handwork...

jln115:
What components and subcomponents were used on the Drakensberg also what % of the build was made up of foreign components? You obviously have inside information...let us know.

Also even the US F35, Swedish Gripen, Eurofighter ect ect all use a number of foreign components, so what constitutes a weapon system as foreign and not local?

kabe1:


A good example is your Badger IFV programme, component manufacturers have refused to deliver components, the programme is completely halted as it is.

Even the A-darter is another good example.

Stop making grandiose claims about SA defence equipment like you fully manufacture the parts, and weapons system.

SA is like Turkey, once the component manufacturers stop exporting the programme halts.

jln115:

- what does the badger program have to do with my question?

- Give me an example

- What about the A-Darter is a good example?

- We do fully manufacture parts of the weapons built in SA.........Denel is a OEM for the Rooivalk,Oryx, Rooikat, Ratel, Olifant,G6,G5, R4, Casspir, Mamba, meaning they manufacture all the parts to build and maintain those platforms ect ect

kabe1:


A good example is your Badger IFV programme, component manufacturers have refused to deliver components, the programme is completely halted as it is.

Even the A-darter is another good example.

Stop making grandiose claims about SA defence equipment like you fully manufacture the parts, and weapons system.

SA is like Turkey, once the component manufacturers stop exporting the programme halts.

kabe1:


You keep repeating this nonsense.

Denel is the OEM of the Rooivalk for instance but essentially everything worthy of note in that aircraft is imported.

He informed one of Parliament’s two defence oversight committees the “(Hoefyster) programme has not shown any significant progress over the past year and the development initially contracted for completion in 2012 has not been completed”.

Delays, according to the man who replaced Kevin Wakeford as chief executive of government’s defence and security acquisition agency, are “attributed to both technical and financial challenges in Denel, as well as suppliers not supplying sub-systems due to non-payment by Denel”.


https://www.defenceweb.co.za/featured/still-no-clarity-on-hoefyster/



Stop living in your kuvukiland....... Wake up!!

jln115:

- All those "imported" parts are manufacture in SA as well.....hence why Denel is an OEM........Do you know what OEM stands for?

- Who are those suppliers Let me give you a tip!! not one is a foreign company!

jln115:

- All those "imported" parts are manufacture in SA as well.....hence why Denel is an OEM........Do you know what OEM stands for?

- Who are those suppliers Let me give you a tip!! not one is a foreign company!

kabe1:



Here Mbada reported development, qualification and certification by both the Brazilian and South African air forces was successful, but progress on the production contract by Denel is behind schedule. This was laid at the door of Denel’s liquidity challenges and non-delivery of sub-systems by sub-contractors “due to non-payment by Denel”.

Whyem15:




Look where Turkey is now! They now produce some of the components they were importing months ago. You start from somewhere and before you know it you are breaking records.

jln115:
This is the A Darter not the Badger also were does it state that its due to none delivery by foreign contractors?.......this is your argument isn't it?

kabe1:


You're literally and figuratively an embarrassment to yourself and South-Africa.

OEM
noun
original equipment manufacturer, an organization that makes devices from component parts bought from other organizations.



Like I have always stated, Denel is an OEM for the Rooivalk, but the components and subcomponents are all imported from abroad.

kabe1:


Where is Turkey now?

They couldn't deliver the Helicopters Pakistan ordered because of sanctions.

The Canadian and Austrian companies that make the TB2 engines and FLIR systems sanctioned them.

kabe1:


When did South-Africa begin making Topowl HMDS?

You can keep lying to yourself, doesn't change the fact that most of the parts used in making "South-African" military systems are imported.

jln115:

And South Africa designed and built most of its weapons systems while being sanctioned!

kabe1:


I have proven beyond doubt that most of the components and subcomponents used in making "South-African" military systems are imported.

The head of your military procurement agency confirms this, your Badger IFV and A-Darter are stopped because of this.

To continue to have this discussion with you is boring and monotonous.

Toju200:
Y'all should free jln115 na Dude Is saying truth

jln115:

And South Africa designed and built most of its weapons systems while being sanctioned!

kabe1:


Where is Turkey now?

They couldn't deliver the Helicopters Pakistan ordered because of sanctions.

The Canadian and Austrian companies that make the TB2 engines and FLIR systems sanctioned them.

Mzal3ndo:
Tanzania Army recruits in Training. The uploader says its Kenya but on ranks of the officer it clearly says JWTZ (Jeshi la Wananchi wa Tanzania) meaning Tanzania Peoples Defense Force

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MJ1UJY3tik

jln115:
Ok let me refrase biggest ship designed and built in Africa by an African country

Raaven:


i'm sure they designed some of them too . and they were all loccally built in egypt . egyptian alexandria shipyard is something . they build big Commercial ships since 60's