africaken254:
he said it was unique that was the question.do you assume someone with WIFI in his house,lying in his bed while surfing can't do basic research on google,youtube e.t.c on this topic !

russia 30 mm GSh-30 autocannon

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs9m5-k_vro

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVm6hvFpld0

The vehicle doesn't use an autocannon.

africaken254:
what wont hinder this project from becoming another Denel Rooivalk,which to this day hasn't being exported ?

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-26673/

"Denel has signed a 340 million euro (R3.5 billion) contract with Malaysia to supply a range of turret and integrated weapon systems to be fitted onto 8 X 8 armoured infantry fighting vehicles...

Denel Land Systems (DLS)....responsible for a number of strategic components that have been designed and developed at its campus in Lyttelton:.       

69 x two man turrets fitted with the South African GI30 30mm main gun. 54 x missile turrets equipped with the GI30 30mm gun and Denel Dynamics Ingwe anti-tank missile system. The order also includes the supply of 216 laser-guided Ingwe missiles.54 x remote control weapons systems"

This deal is thanks most in part to the Badger/Hoefyster project, so it's already making money.

MikeCZAR:
The vehicle doesn't use an autocannon.

what does it use ?

croat:


Well you didn't check the link... -_-

CAMGUN GI-30 can fire a bullet in close breach position, more accurate and used for sniping thus it could snipe of infrantry man that carries communication equipment or ATGM or neutralize engine or drive of the vehicle...

Lets say you have a dozen of these... It will be massacre for infrantry, deadly for vehicles and tanks could be neutralized by shooting of range finder, camera's and make it blind and useless except if the crew chooses to take a risk and peak their head to be blown by one of those cannons in sniper mode.

I haven't heard of any auto-cannon that is capable of that... I know many dual feed and such.

most portable ATGM have a range between 5,000-10,000 ,GI-30 has a maximum range of 4,000

...

MikeCZAR:
Probably because of the Valour class frigates upgrades.

Yes!! also read on Janes that they are receiving an upgrade, would be nice to replace the 76mm with a naval version of the G5. Also an upgrade to the Exocet block 3 or SAAB RBS15

GSU paramilitary- pass out new recruits (basic training) after this then some specialise , from crowd control (anti-riot), to more advanced recce like crisis response teams, hostage resque, undercover air-martial onboard national airline , predential ecsort (secret service)

patches689:


could you post the article pls?

Defenceweb and other Defence related websites are fire walled here

damn Chinese!!

"The single largest allocation of funds to the maritime arm of the SA National Defence Force (SANDF) – at just over a quarter of the total budget of R4.355 billion – goes to the SA Navy combat capability.

This is made up of the four Valour Class frigates, three Heroine Class submarines, a mine counter-measures squadron and three offshore patrol vessels (OPVs) supported by four Super Lynx maritime helicopters, operated by the SA Air Force’s (SAAF’s) 22 Squadron.

As far as its objectives are concerned the SA Navy will defend and protect South Africa and its maritime zones providing, among others two OPVs and three inshore patrol vessels (IPVs) in each operational cycle.

Armscor has issued tenders for the acquisition of three of each class of vessels with tender results probably going to be announced later this year. Indications are the final delivery of the new vessels will be around 2023. This sees the SA Navy fulfilling its objectives for the foreseeable future with three OPVs. These are former Warrior Class strikecraft that have been converted to patrol vessels.

Maritime logistic support comprises just on 30% of the maritime budget with base support coming in at 17.7% and human resources and training accounting for 11.9%"

agaugust:


Patcbes is croat. How can a Croatian citizen in a non-English speaking Croatia suddenly wake up one morning and becomes ready to die for South Africa and he is anti-Agaugust, he never sees anything wrong with Patches comments, he chooses to attack me instead, why would a real Croatian do that? You are being rëtärdëd if you dont see that logic. The probing questions I asked about his Croatian characteristics that is 100% a photocopy of Patches characteristics, including personality traits like strikingthrough/crossing out peoples comments, calling people delusional, saying people are grasping for straws....that is how FBI and CIA catches criminals by personality traits, I just educated those of you who dont know how spies burst hidden people out of their holes in espionage style.

Dude you've done this before!! Remember when I just joined the thread you also said I was that American guy criticizing the JF17......Remember that?

Also no offence to Croat, but he's been wrong on one or two occasions regarding our weaponry, something Patches rarely/Never gets wrong! Also they don't wright in the same manner.

Lastly Neither Nigeria or South Africa are English speaking countries YET we are here typing in English to each other, so to suggest that a person from a non-English speaking country wont come to an English thread is ignorance at its finest!!

africaken254:
most portable ATGM have a range between 5,000-10,000 ,GI-30 has a maximum range of 4,000

...and?

Infrantry ATGM's are stationary, based on line of sight and single missile and you expect vehicle to stand still?

APC will move, use tree, bushes, rocks, etc for cover and when it is close it will fire dozen's of shots at the ATGM site.

africaken254:
what wont hinder this project from becoming another Denel Rooivalk,which to this day hasn't being exported ?

There was one country that was interested in Rooivalk, but wanted it to be tested in combat.

Performance against M23 has proven that Rooivalk is combat worthy thus countries have expressed interest, if Denel manages to get enough orders to achieve mass production thus they can lower prices then many countries will be interested to buy it.

africaken254:
most portable ATGM have a range between 5,000-10,000 ,GI-30 has a maximum range of 4,000

Dont mind army guide posting a whole bunch of wrong info on that cannon, all those specs they call unique are available on other countries 30mm cannon, some marketing guy fed them with wrong data and they swallow it. Maximum effective range of GI-30 from Denel data sheet is 3 km. Maximum rate of fire is 200 rpm, and if the Badger faces ambush or swarm attack by enemy terrorists in Toyota gun trucks its slow rate of fire will be a big disadvantage, the Russian/Ukrainian made 30mm autocannon has selected rate of fire options of 200 rpm, 300 rpm, 550 rpm, 800 rpm for different levels of enemy threat. You don't need to waste ATGM to kïll a Badger IFV, one single T-72 tank will destroy one hundred Badger IFVs in 2 hours with no reply from the Badger IFV battalions. It's a $5 million price per vehicle rip off by Finland on Denel, a very bad deal, reason why it dragged from 1997 to 2016 with only 5 experimental units produced in Finland. Yet the people concerned are blinded by national ego they dont see they have been ripped off. Badger is more expensive than new year 2011 extra hi-tech MS variant T-90 tank that combines missiles with its main gun.

agaugust:


Dont mind army guide posting a whole bunch of wrong info on that cannon, all those specs they call unique are available on other countries 30mm cannon, some marketing guy fed them with wrong data and they swallow it. Maximum effective range of GI-30 from Denel data sheet is 3 km. Maximum rate of fire is 200 rpm, and if the Badger faces ambush or swarm attack by enemy motorized infantry its slow rate of fire will be a big disadvantage, the Russian/Ukrainian made 30mm autocannon has selected rate of fire options of 200 rpm, 300 rpm, 550 rpm, 800 rpm for different levels of enemy threat. You don't need to waste ATGM on a Badger IFV, one single ancient T-72 tank of 1970 era will destroy one hundred Badger IFVs in 2 hours with no reply from the Badger IFV battalions. It's a $5 million price per vehicle rip off by Finland on Denel, a very bad deal, reason why it dragged from 1997 to 2016 with only 5 experimental units produced in Finland. Yet the people concerned are blinded by national ego they dont see they have been ripped off. Badger is more expensive than new 2016 upgraded extra hi-tech MS variant T-90 tank that fires missiles with 8km range.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha this guy!!!

COIN

MikeCZAR:
They more money than you.

Money isn't the most important factor. We were successful because the Nigerian navy could deploy capital assets at short notice, maintain a constant presence at sea and superior training.


Never has an African navy carried out an opposed boarding. This is the first time that an opposed boarding and an anti-piracy operation of this scale has been executed by an African navy.



It is a very big deal and an achievement worth celebrating. NNS Okpabana and NNS Sagbama acted as the anvil, while NNS Centenary was the spear. A well coordinated and an unprecedented mission.

Six of these vessels were sold to tompolo. Does anyone know if Nigerian Navy have seized them since the guy is on the run now.

They are armed with SSM and it's about 36m in length. They will surely be good assets for Nigerian Navy.

chkil:


no ! i'm not soldier , I work in the health field , but i have just a passion for the military and africa this is why i'm happy to come here in nairaland and many others african forums

Okay thanks. So, is there any official video of the 2013 fight at the gas plant? Algerian forces vs terrorists, any video your army released showing the real fights or part of the operation?

agaugust:


Patcbes is croat. How can a Croatian citizen in a non-English speaking Croatia suddenly wake up one morning and becomes ready to die for South Africa and he is anti-Agaugust, he never sees anything wrong with Patches comments, he chooses to attack me instead, why would a real Croatian do that? You are being rëtärdëd if you dont see that logic. The probing questions I asked about his Croatian characteristics that is 100% a photocopy of Patches characteristics, including personality traits like strikingthrough/crossing out peoples comments, calling people delusional, saying people are grasping for straws....that is how FBI and CIA catches criminals by personality traits, I just educated those of you who dont know how spies burst hidden people out of their holes in espionage style.

You are quite clearly in.sane

Patchesagain:

You are quite clearly in.sane

All I can say that he is a pacient on life support.

africaken254:
remind me again what makes this autocannon Gi-30 CAM GUN unique ?

Did you read the link?

africaken254:
what does it use ?

A gun.

jln115:

Yes!! also read on Janes that they are receiving an upgrade, would be nice to replace the 76mm with a naval version of the G5. Also an upgrade to the Exocet block 3 or SAAB RBS15

It is unlikely the navy would direct funds to a development of a G5 howitzer naval version.

africaken254:
what wont hinder this project from becoming another Denel Rooivalk,which to this day hasn't being exported ?

Export of Rooivalk sub components has made the Rooivalk programe profitable

We have allready sold the badger turrets to malaysia

Badger Project will make a profit as well

africaken254:
he said it was unique that was the question.do you assume someone with WIFI in his house,lying in his bed while surfing can't do basic research on google,youtube e.t.c on this topic !

russia 30 mm GSh-30 autocannon

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs9m5-k_vro

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVm6hvFpld0

The reason is contained in the link i posted

It's tye next gen of autocannon that is driven electronically and not by the blow-back from the round going off.

This results in it having a number of advantages

africaken254:
most portable ATGM have a range between 5,000-10,000 ,GI-30 has a maximum range of 4,000

Irrelevant

agaugust:


Dont mind army guide posting a whole bunch of wrong info on that cannon, all those specs they call unique are available on other countries 30mm cannon, some marketing guy fed them with wrong data and they swallow it. Maximum effective range of GI-30 from Denel data sheet is 3 km. Maximum rate of fire is 200 rpm, and if the Badger faces ambush or swarm attack by enemy terrorists in Toyota gun trucks its slow rate of fire will be a big disadvantage, the Russian/Ukrainian made 30mm autocannon has selected rate of fire options of 200 rpm, 300 rpm, 550 rpm, 800 rpm for different levels of enemy threat. You don't need to waste ATGM to kïll a Badger IFV, one single T-72 tank will destroy one hundred Badger IFVs in 2 hours with no reply from the Badger IFV battalions. It's a $5 million price per vehicle rip off by Finland on Denel, a very bad deal, reason why it dragged from 1997 to 2016 with only 5 experimental units produced in Finland. Yet the people concerned are blinded by national ego they dont see they have been ripped off. Badger is more expensive than new year 2011 extra hi-tech MS variant T-90 tank that combines missiles with its main gun.

Lol

"I am right all the links are lies!"

Confirmed to have lost his mind.

Also - i have disproven every single statement you just made.

For the sake of this thread, stop posting this trash

MikeCZAR:
It is unlikely the navy would direct funds to a development of a G5 howitzer naval version.

You think? I heard/read that,that was supposed to be the 76mm replacement once funds freed up!!

Henry240:

Money isn't the most important factor. We were successful because the Nigerian navy could deploy capital assets at short notice, maintain a constant presence at sea and superior training.


Never has an African navy carried out an opposed boarding. This is the first time that an opposed boarding and an anti-piracy operation of this scale has been executed by an African navy.



It is a very big deal and an achievement worth celebrating. NNS Okpabana and NNS Sagbama acted as the anvil, while NNS Centenary was the spear. A well coordinated and an unprecedented mission.

They have more money than you.

jln115:

You think? I heard/read that,that was supposed to be the 76mm replacement once funds freed up!!

Funds are still limited.

croat:


...and?

Infrantry ATGM's are stationary, based on line of sight and single missile and you expect vehicle to stand still?

APC will move, use tree, bushes, rocks, etc for cover and when it is close it will fire dozen's of shots at the ATGM site.

why dont you find out for yourself if its possible

Patchesagain:


The reason is contained in the link i posted

It's tye next gen of autocannon that is driven electronically and not by the blow-back from the round going off.

This results in it having a number of advantages

exactly as M242 bushmaster, Mk44 Bushmaster II and every other modern autocannon

africaken254:
most portable ATGM have a range between 5,000-10,000 ,GI-30 has a maximum range of 4,000

And?

Remember the vehicle carries infantry whom will engage and clear the enemy's infantry, while having at their disposal fire support systems.