redsun:

He is progressing at the expense of odes like you.Can't you see the irony?He was the governor of lagos who had the wherewithal to establish medical institution that can manage brain surgeries with ease,but instead he stole most of it.Now he is travelling to america with the stolen loot for mere knee surgery that even a well equipped chemist can perform.While babies are dying needlessly everyday for lack of basic health care that his type should have provided if weren't rats.

Once again, please submit your complaints to the FG for processing.

Kairoseki77:

You would have a point if the healthcare system was run by Tinubu. If you have a problem with our healthcare you should face the FG and send your complaints to them.

Thx!

Primary and secondary healthcare fall within the purview of Local and State governments respectively. So, your abdication of responsibility to the federal govt. doesn't fly here.

Kairoseki77:

Once again, please submit your complaints to the FG for processing.

Secondary and some tertiary healthcare are provided by the state governments bro. He could have had the surgery in LASUTH.

james_ibor: Primary and secondary healthcare fall within the purview of Local and State governments respectively. So, your abdication of responsibility to the federal govt. doesn't fly here.

Contrary to the claims of some bigots on this thread, knee surgery is a complex and demanding procedure. Like our heart, we use it everyday, and it undergoes constant wear and tear. Mistakes can cripple a person for life, or render them unable to walk.

Either way, you do not go to a dispensary for knee surgery, nor would a man of Tinubu's stature go to a secondary facility. You would go to one of the best hospitals in the country, the hospitals with the most funding. That would be the tertiary hospitals.

Tinubu obviously looked, and didnt like what he saw, so he went abroad. This is a failure of the FG. Period.

mascot87:
Old foools like you are good at blaming the right hand for the failure of the left hand

Why don't u tackle the point he raised rather than abused him?
When will we nigerians turns blind eye to tribal sentiment and look at fact b4 us?
This man occupied an office for 8yrs,yet could built and equip a good hospital were he could b4 a minor knee surgery.
He occupied that office for 8yrs yet could make the tertiary institution there a cynosure for even foreigners,yet I guess u were one of those that celebrated when his daughter graduated from a foreign university.
Why don't we shine our eyes to the truth leaving sentiment aside for once?

james_ibor: Secondary and some tertiary healthcare are provided by the state governments bro. He could have had the surgery in LASUTH.

No. As someone who has helped import medical equipment into the country, the cost of much of the equipment you need to perform advanced procedures is too high. You would never make the money back charging Nigerian clients, and the money can be better used providing general healthcare to more people.

Would you buy a 500,000,000N MRI machine (plus cost of importation and employee training), or buy 500,000,000N worth of basic medicine?

And an MRI is a simple machine that even small US hospitals have.

Person about to go into an MRI:



Inside of an MRI machine:


An MRI of a knee is basic before knee surgery in developed countries. There are many surgeries that cannot be performed without it. And that is before purchasing an anthroscope, etc.

Kairoseki77:

Contrary to the claims of some bigots on this thread, knee surgery is a complex and demanding procedure. Like our heart, we use it everyday, and it undergoes constant wear and tear. Mistakes can cripple a person for life, or render them unable to walk.

Either way, you do not go to a dispensary for knee surgery, not would a man of Tinubu's stature go to a secondary facility. You would go to one if the best hospitals in the country, the hospitals with the most funding. That would be the tertiary hospitals.

Tinubu obviously looked, and didnt like what he saw, so he went abroad. This is a failure if the FG. Period.

Under whose care is Lagos state University Teaching Hospital (LASUTH).

Brother, let's agree that all tiers of government have failed on healthcare delivery.

Kairoseki77:

No. As someone who has helped import medical equipment into the country, the cost of much of the equipment you need to perform advanced procedures is too high. You would never make the money back charging Nigerian clients, and the money can be better used providing general healthcare to more people.

Would you buy a 500,000,000N MRI machine, for example, or buy 500,000,000N worth of basic medicine?

Unfirtunately, you are talking to someone who is immersed in the medical cum pharmaceutical world. What are specialist hospitals for? Just admit the failure of all tiers of government and let's move on.

Meanwhile, a lot of healthcare institutions in Nigeria have MRI scanners. If you want I can give you the names of some of them.

james_ibor: Unfirtunately, you are talking to someone who is immersed in the medical cum pharmaceutical world. What are specialist hospitals for? Just admit the failure of all tiers of government and let's move on.

Have you ever been to a Nigerian hospital? Practically zero people have GP's, so they come to the hospital with minor complaints like headaches, colds, etc. 90% of people that come into Naija hospitals don't need to be there, but they cannot afford a general doctor that would help them with minor problems. Add to this that there are far too few hospitals in our country to serve our population. Our doctors are forced to focus on getting people out of the hospital as quickly as possible, so that they can see the next patient with the hiccups. Trauma is about the only thing we can afford to spend money on.

Once again, a specialist hospital with the appropriate medical equipment to perform knee surgeries using modern techniques would cost way too much for a state government to implement, and for a dubious benefit. Especially when mothers are dying from common childbirth.

At least, this is what I was told by the hospitals I worked with.

Kairoseki77:

Have you ever been to a Nigerian hospital? Practically zero people have GP's, so they come to the hospital with minor complaints like headaches, colds, etc. 90% of people that come into Naija hospitals don't need to be there, but they cannot afford a general doctor that would help them with minor problems. Add to this that there are far too few hospitals in our country to serve our population.

Once again, a specialist hospital with the appropriate medical equipment to perform knee surgeries using modern techniques would cost way too much for a state government to implement. Especially when mothers are dying from common childbirth.

You seem not to understand the Nigerian healthcare system. Nigeria doesn't run the GP system like in the UK. There are primary health centres and general hospitals which are non referral health institutions. One can only go to a Teaching hospital or specialist hospital when referred except in cases of emergency.

Meanwhile, have you agreed that Lagis state govt just as other states in the country has failed in healthcare delivery?

Kairoseki77:

Have you ever been to a Nigerian hospital? Practically zero people have GP's, so they come to the hospital with minor complaints like headaches, colds, etc. 90% of people that come into Naija hospitals don't need to be there, but they cannot afford a general doctor that would help them with minor problems. Add to this that there are far too few hospitals in our country to serve our population. Our doctors are forced to focus on getting people out of the hospital as quickly as possible, so that they can see the next patient with the hiccups. Trauma is about the only thing we can afford to spend money on.

Once again, a specialist hospital with the appropriate medical equipment to perform knee surgeries using modern techniques would cost way too much for a state government to implement, and for a dubious benefit. Especially when mothers are dying from common childbirth.

At least, this is what I was told by the hospitals I worked with.

Truth is that Nigeria elites will travel for procedures as simple as tooth extraction. I've worked in some of the best hospitals in the world and I see some Nigerians come in most cases as private patients for very simple procedures.

I've worked in;

Guy's hospital, St. Thomas Hospital, St. George's hospital Tooting and Chelsea and Westminster hospital all in London.

james_ibor: You seem not to understand the Nigerian healthcare system. Nigeria doesn't run the GP system like in the UK. There are primary health centres and general hospitals which are non referral health institutions. One can only go to a Teaching hospital or specialist hospital when referred except in cases of emergency.

Meanwhile, have you agreed that Lagis state govt just as other states in the country has failed in healthcare delivery?

People wait in the ER for common colds, and headaches, like I stated. Especially if they cannot afford treatment, because the hospital cannot turn you away and must treat you for free. This is what happens when you don't have a national healthcare system like the UK.

If Tinubu had a common cold, and went to the US, I would blame him. Or if he had a stab wound, or something. Ameachi going to Europe after a simple car accident was ridiculous, as our doctors have tremendous experience with car accidents due to the state of our roads.

For a knee surgery, I can't really blame them. It is a complicated thing. When spending money on general healthcare is a more pressing concern than expensive specialist treatments, its hard to judge them for not investing in those treatments.

However, I will agree that we need to get much better. Much, much better at delivering healthcare to our people. From all tiers of government. Tinubu, Fashola, and my local government need to do a better job. That is without question.

Lastly, it is the FG 's responsibility to invest in high cost, limited benefit treatments. That is their job. That is the entire point of the tertiary hospitals.

james_ibor: Truth is that Nigeria elites will travel for procedures as simple as tooth extraction. I've worked in some of the best hospitals in the world and I see some Nigerians come in most cases as private patients for very simple procedures.

I've worked in;

Guy's hospital, St. Thomas Hospital, St. George's hospital Tooting and Chelsea and Westminster hospital all in London.

One more thing!

Academic corruption is widespread in Nigeria. Your doctor might have dashed his way through medical school and received no real training. Very scary.

4 Play:

Don't mind the famished serfs who praise their oppressors. If Tinubu urinates on his mother, he will claim its holy water.

As Obi will sh*t on your father,oloriburuku.

Red_Mullet:

Shameless old fool...how I wish Ilugunboy is around on this thread to handle you as usual. Pathetic soul.

You mean your fellow baboon?The rightful place for untamed primates like you is ibadan zoo,not even a descent zoo run by descent human beings you deserve.

seanet02: when are you going to make sense? Useless ediot

Senior baboon.Salvation of animals like you is in the grave,just like fani kayode who probably have HIV and since he is got nothing to lose,he trying by all means to stir up serious trouble that will end the miseries of animals like you.I know you are not up to it,you probably think you are going to win a war with charmed sticks and den guns,foo.ls.

^^^^^^^^^^^^

How many cutlasses do you have this time?

4 Play:

Don't mind the famished serfs who praise their oppressors. If Tinubu urinates on his mother, he will claim its holy water.

That's why he can afford to order Fashola to sack doctors at will, because he can always fly abroad to treat headache.

Kairoseki77: ^^^^^^^^^^^^

How many cutlasses do you have this time?

This time you will be fighting against nigeria.

All the bas*erds making noise here, how many of your past governors and present governors uses the health care facilities in Nigeria?You don't see anything wrong in the foools you call governors of your cursed and miserable states travelling to seek medical care for themselves and there family but when it comes to Tinubu,you call him names and insult him. Your hate will one day lead you to commit suicide.I hope you wouldnt kill your IF before killing yourself.Awọn omo irankiran.

What is there to hate in a foo-l or a thief? Concerned citizens only point out their atrocities.People that hates for no reason are animals like you bigots that doesn't have initiatives.

redsun:

This time you will be fighting against nigeria.

Do you think the North will join you to fight us?

I dey laugh oooo!

Kairoseki77:

Do you think the North will join you to fight us?

I dey laugh oooo!

The only northerners that are like you bigots at the moment are the bokoharams.The rest are still very much nigerians and i don't think they have had enough of the marriage yet.

Same thing that you guys did to the igbos might eventually happen to you and remember all you got to fight at moment are babalawo,amulets and sticks.

enough of the insult and let discuss reasonably like james ibor and kairoseki.

Let call a spade a spade, a shovel a shovel. This is a wake up call to nigerian irrespective of tribe or region, come 2015 we should not vote base on sentiment or tribe but by who will delivered and not disappoint us at the end of the day without almost grounding us financially.

For good 8yrs he was in power as governor of lagos state where he reign supreme and enjoy the support of all and he did not deem it fit to build or upgrade the lagos state university teaching hospital to a state where a knee surgery can be perform on him.


Now in year 2013 is his successor who is in his second term, him to doesn't seem it fit to do something about it and they are telling that the pdp government should be held responsible for the rot in the system and unfortunately many of my fellow nigerians are accepting and believing it to be the truth and nothing but the truth.

As bad as things are here, i refused to believe that we don't have qualified competent nigerian doctors in nigeria who can't perform complex surgery as knee sugery here in nigeria effectively .

I know what am saying and i stand by it. An uncle of mine who involved in an industrial accident where the palm of left hand was smashed to pieces, and everybody was saying the hand has gone but today that smashed hand or palm is less two finger instead of the whole palm from the wrist. This is an accident that happened in lagos and treated by a doctor from lasuth but not in lasuth but in a private speciallist hospital.

There are many private speciallist hospital that are well equipped for things such as this who source their speciallist from lasuth and other institution and general hospitals.

What stop him and his like from patronizing this hospital? if they can't equip the one in their care they should atleast patronize this hospital as that will put food on some family table on time.

Please nigerians make una open una eyes very well come 2015. let us be dispassionate in our judgement on who to vote for if we want this country to move forward.

The other one that was involved in plane crash is still in america and it must engulfed millions of tax payers dollars keeping him alive as a useless vegetable.Monies could go a long way in revamping health care system in nigeria and saving countless children's lives.

Lmao. What makes you think in a war between the South West and the South East, that it will be the South West that wants to create a new country?

We don't have MASSOB, or carry Israeli flags, or constantly reminisce about the civil war. Think logically.

It will be the SW and North vs the SE all over again.