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Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by Ajibam: 12:29am On Aug 24, 2013
Deuteronomy 32:35
"Their foot shall slide in due time"

In this verse is threatened the vengeance of God on the wicked unbelieving Israelites, who were God's visible people, and who lived under the means of grace; but who, notwithstanding all God's wonderful works towards them, remained (as vers 28.) void of counsel, having no understanding in them. Under all the cultivations of heaven, they brought forth bitter and poisonous fruit; as in the two verses next preceding the text. --
The expression I have chosen for my text, their foot shall slide in due time, seems to imply the following things, relating to the punishment and destruction to which these wicked Israelites were exposed.
That they were always exposed to destruction; as one that stands or walks in slippery places is always exposed to fall. This is implied in the manner of their destruction coming upon them, being represented by their foot sliding. The same is expressed, Psalm 73:18. "Surely thou didst set them in slippery places; thou castedst them down into destruction."
It implies, that they were always exposed to sudden unexpected destruction. As he that walks in slippery places is every moment liable to fall, he cannot foresee one moment whether he shall stand or fall the next; and when he does fall, he falls at once without warning: Which is also expressed in Psalm 73:18,19. "Surely thou didst set them in slippery places; thou castedst them down into destruction: How are they brought into desolation as in a moment!"
Another thing implied is, that they are liable to fall of themselves, without being thrown down by the hand of another; as he that stands or walks on slippery ground needs nothing but his own weight to throw him down.
That the reason why they are not fallen already and do not fall now is only that God's appointed time is not come. For it is said, that when that due time, or appointed time comes, their foot shall slide. Then they shall be left to fall, as they are inclined by their own weight. God will not hold them up in these slippery places any longer, but will let them go; and then, at that very instant, they shall fall into destruction; as he that stands on such slippery declining ground, on the edge of a pit, he cannot stand alone, when he is let go he immediately falls and is lost.


The observation from the words that I would now insist upon is this. -- "There is nothing that keeps wicked men at any one moment out of hell, but the mere pleasure of God." --
By the mere pleasure of God, I mean his sovereign pleasure, his arbitrary will, restrained by no obligation, hindered by no manner of difficulty, any more than if nothing else but God's mere will had in the least degree, or in any respect whatsoever, any hand in the preservation of wicked men one moment. --
The truth of this observation may appear by the following considerations.
There is no want of power in God to cast wicked men into hell at any moment. Men's hands cannot be strong when God rises up. The strongest have no power to resist him, nor can any deliver out of his hands. -- He is not only able to cast wicked men into hell, but he can most easily do it. Sometimes an earthly prince meets with a great deal of difficulty to subdue a rebel, who has found means to fortify himself, and has made himself strong by the numbers of his followers. But it is not so with God. There is no fortress that is any defence from the power of God. Though hand join in hand, and vast multitudes of God's enemies combine and associate themselves, they are easily broken in pieces. They are as great heaps of light chaff before the whirlwind; or large quantities of dry stubble before devouring flames. We find it easy to tread on and crush a worm that we see crawling on the earth; so it is easy for us to cut or singe a slender thread that any thing hangs by: thus easy is it for God, when he pleases, to cast his enemies down to hell. What are we, that we should think to stand before him, at whose rebuke the earth trembles, and before whom the rocks are thrown down?
They deserve to be cast into hell; so that divine justice never stands in the way, it makes no objection against God's using his power at any moment to destroy them. Yea, on the contrary, justice calls aloud for an infinite punishment of their sins. Divine justice says of the tree that brings forth such grapes of Sodom, "Cut it down, why cumbereth it the ground?" Luke 13:7. The sword of divine justice is every moment brandished over their heads, and it is nothing but the hand of arbitrary mercy, and God's mere will, that holds it back.
They are already under a sentence of condemnation to hell. They do not only justly deserve to be cast down thither, but the sentence of the law of God, that eternal and immutable rule of righteousness that God has fixed between him and mankind, is gone out against them, and stands against them; so that they are bound over already to hell. John 3:18. "He that believeth not is condemned already." So that every unconverted man properly belongs to hell; that is his place; from thence he is, John 8:23. "Ye are from beneath:" And thither he is bound; it is the place that justice, and God's word, and the sentence of his unchangeable law assign to him.
They are now the objects of that very same anger and wrath of God, that is expressed in the torments of hell. And the reason why they do not go down to hell at each moment, is not because God, in whose power they are, is not then very angry with them; as he is with many miserable creatures now tormented in hell, who there feel and bear the fierceness of his wrath. Yea, God is a great deal more angry with great numbers that are now on earth: yea, doubtless, with many that are now in this congregation, who it may be are at ease, than he is with many of those who are now in the flames of hell.
So that it is not because God is unmindful of their wickedness, and does not resent it, that he does not let loose his hand and cut them off. God is not altogether such an one as themselves, though they may imagine him to be so. The wrath of God burns against them, their damnation does not slumber; the pit is prepared, the fire is made ready, the furnace is now hot, ready to receive them; the flames do now rage and glow. The glittering sword is whet, and held over them, and the pit hath opened its mouth under them.
The devil stands ready to fall upon them, and seize them as his own, at what moment God shall permit him. They belong to him; he has their souls in his possession, and under his dominion. The scripture represents them as his goods, Luke 11:12. The devils watch them; they are ever by them at their right hand; they stand waiting for them, like greedy hungry lions that see their prey, and expect to have it, but are for the present kept back. If God should withdraw his hand, by which they are restrained, they would in one moment fly upon their poor souls. The old serpent is gaping for them; hell opens its mouth wide to receive them; and if God should permit it, they would be hastily swallowed up and lost.
There are in the souls of wicked men those hellish principles reigning, that would presently kindle and flame out into hell fire, if it were not for God's restraints. There is laid in the very nature of carnal men, a foundation for the torments of hell. There are those corrupt principles, in reigning power in them, and in full possession of them, that are seeds of hell fire. These principles are active and powerful, exceeding violent in their nature, and if it were not for the restraining hand of God upon them, they would soon break out, they would flame out after the same manner as the same corruptions, the same enmity does in the hearts of damned souls, and would beget the same torments as they do in them. The souls of the wicked are in scripture compared to the troubled sea, Isa. 57:20. For the present, God restrains their wickedness by his mighty power, as he does the raging waves of the troubled sea, saying, "Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further;" but if God should withdraw that restraining power, it would soon carry all before it. Sin is the ruin and misery of the soul; it is destructive in its nature; and if God should leave it without restraint, there would need nothing else to make the soul perfectly miserable. The corruption of the heart of man is immoderate and boundless in its fury; and while wicked men live here, it is like fire pent up by God's restraints, whereas if it were let loose, it would set on fire the course of nature; and as the heart is now a sink of sin, so if sin was not restrained, it would immediately turn the soul into fiery oven, or a furnace of fire and brimstone.



To be continued..........
Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by Nobody: 12:38am On Aug 24, 2013
Gospel of fear !!!

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Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by Goshen360(m): 1:04am On Aug 24, 2013
@ OP, who are sinners? Are you still in your sins AFTER Christ had died for your sins?
Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by Ajibam: 1:15am On Aug 24, 2013
Goshen360: @ OP, who are sinners? Are you still in your sins AFTER Christ had died for your sins?



NO

sinners are the unbelievers,,they are veiled With sin(they don't know christ)
If U truly accept jesus as your lord and saviour,Old things have passed away lo and behold all things have become new,..

Faults can only be found in a born again christian

When we are YET sinners christ died for us(romans5vs8)

Shallom
Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by Goshen360(m): 1:33am On Aug 24, 2013
Ajibam:


NO

sinners are the unbelievers,,they are veiled With sin(they don't know christ)
If U truly accept jesus as your lord and saviour,Old things have passed away lo and behold all things have become new,..

Faults can only be found in a born again christian

When we are YET sinners christ died for us(romans5vs8)

Shallom

Good, you passed the first test. cheesy
Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by Ajibam: 1:48am On Aug 24, 2013
Goshen360:

Good, you passed the first test. cheesy

Funny bro.
Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by tpia5: 2:25am On Aug 24, 2013
is born again the buzz word now?

seun did keep harping on that previously.
Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by bizmahn: 3:31am On Aug 24, 2013
@OP. I suppose that was the famous sermon by Jonathan Edwards that literarily got the sinners & ungodly in his congregation quaking & trembling & held unto the church pillars in fear they would drop into hell that moment while crying out to God in repentance.It was most MARVELLOUS.
Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by bizmahn: 4:04am On Aug 24, 2013
@Ajibam. Great!! if you believe in what that message & its preacher represents.Sermons as in the topic produce the best christiants in character,morality,purity,christ-likeness.
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Keep at it & never get distracted if u are on the side of the 'very few' left on this forum who yet stand on the old time gospel of inner & outward purity in totality.The way is narrow & few that be that find it.(matt.7:13,14).Don't join those that try to make the way broad.
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Warning:Many have derailed on this forum,don't get to be one.DON'T GIVE IN TO SUBTLE GOSPEL OF GRACE THAT "SUBTLY" PERMITS SIN,LOOSENESS & WORLDLINESS with hidden beliefs that "subtly" OFFER LICENCE TO SIN...Shallom.
Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by Ajibam: 5:55am On Aug 24, 2013
bizmahn: @Ajibam. Great!! if you believe in what that message & its preacher represents.Sermons as in the topic produce the best christiants in character,morality,purity,christ-likeness.
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Keep at it & never get distracted if u are on the side of the 'very few' left on this forum who yet stand on the old time gospel of inner & outward purity in totality.The way is narrow & few that be that find it.(matt.7:13,14).Don't join those that try to make the way broad.
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Warning:Many have derailed on this forum,don't get to be one.DON'T GIVE IN TO SUBTLE GOSPEL OF GRACE THAT "SUBTLY" PERMITS SIN,LOOSENESS & WORLDLINESS with hidden beliefs that "subtly" OFFER LICENCE TO SIN...Shallom.


Thank you...I will never give in to subtle gospel as You advised
Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by Ajibam: 5:56am On Aug 24, 2013
bizmahn: @OP. I suppose that was the famous sermon by Jonathan Edwards that literarily got the sinners & ungodly in his congregation quaking & trembling & held unto the church pillars in fear they would drop into hell that moment while crying out to God in repentance.It was most MARVELLOUS.

Thank you sir
Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by Nobody: 6:03am On Aug 24, 2013
Goshen360:

Good, you passed the first test. cheesy

Oga Goshen, free d young man na.

@Ajibam sorry I didn't read your OP.
Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by Ajibam: 6:10am On Aug 24, 2013
striktlymi:

Oga Goshen, free d young man na.

@Ajibam sorry I didn't read your OP.


Try and sacrifice your time to read it,
Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by noblefada: 9:02am On Aug 24, 2013
@Ajibam u definitely don't know what u're writing about. It's had for me to believe u are a xtian. It's called the Gospel of Christ, Good News, so how come I didn't see any of that in ur post? u purposely left out good scriptures on Grace and only dwell on condemnation. As said u don't know what u're saying, pls go study to show urself approved.
Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by cyrexx: 9:33am On Aug 24, 2013
Fear and gullibility. Without these, religion lose it's power on human mind.
Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by Ajibam: 9:35am On Aug 24, 2013
noblefada: @Ajibam u definitely don't know what u're writing about. It's had for me to believe u are a xtian. It's called the Gospel of Christ, Good News, so how come I didn't see any of that in ur post? u purposely left out good scriptures on Grace and only dwell on condemnation. As said u don't know what u're saying, pls go study to show urself approved.

This is not a condemnation...
People are ignorant to the danger of being a sinner when grace eludes the earth after the rapture..this thread. Is to enable christians to hold there stand to know the fury of God coming to an unrepentant soul and an ignorant christian...

Maranatha
Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by Ajibam: 9:37am On Aug 24, 2013
cyrexx: Fear and gullibility. Without these, religion lose it's power on human mind.

God bless you..that's why I wrote this
Churches nowadays preach prosperity,how to be rich...
Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by Nobody: 9:40am On Aug 24, 2013
Ajibam:

God bless you..that's why I wrote this
Churches nowadays preach prosperity,how to be rich...

grin

Get upto speed.

HBG please coach this guy on the characters we have here.
Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by cyrexx: 10:13am On Aug 24, 2013
Ajibam,

More or less, God is declaring that....

Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by Nobody: 10:22am On Aug 24, 2013
Jonathan Edwards owned a slave or slaves and preached a sermon which caused a suicide because of fear.

Indeed there is wrath for the wicked now and on the last day , but GOD never woos his creation with endless threats of hell fire , only Satan cajoles people with fear into the apostate church.
Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by cyrexx: 10:24am On Aug 24, 2013
[size=16pt]And to Ajibam and christians on this thread I pose this question...[/size]













[size=16pt]Or are you more or less telling me that ...[/size]



Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by Nobody: 11:22am On Aug 24, 2013
Jonathan Edwards really scared da s.hit outta 18th century christians.Typical calvinist.
Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by scaler345: 12:03pm On Aug 24, 2013
What makes most religious people religious is simple. FEAR. It's not that they love their god(s) so much but because they have been properly threatened wit fire and brimstone. And I don't blame them. Who wanna burn eternally in a lake of fire that's been fueled by phosphorus and sulphur ..... mehn, dat's pretty mean.
Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by cyrexx: 12:47pm On Aug 24, 2013
scaler345: What makes most religious people religious is simple. FEAR. It's not that they love their god(s) so much but because they have been properly threatened wit fire and brimstone. And I don't blame them. Who wanna burn eternally in a lake of fire that's been fueled by phosphorus and sulphur ..... mehn, dat's pretty mean.


That's exactly my point.

FEAR plus IGNORANCE is the power of religious stronghold on the human mind.

Once you rid yourself of the irrational fear of hell and you educate yourself on the true origins of these religions (Christianity and Islam).
You become truly free from their complex mind games and enjoy true mental freedom.
Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by Nobody: 12:56pm On Aug 24, 2013
The gospel of Calvinism is a cruel one, we think of Calvin himself who initiated and delighted in the death of Michael Servetus who was burnt to death with green slow burning wood , for the enhancement of a painful experience over a longer period.


Then we have this MAN Jonathan Edwards who preached a supposedly 'beautiful' sermon while owning slaves :


Jonathan Edwards owned slaves until the day he died. In 1759, Timothy Dwight and Timothy Edwards executed the will of Jonathan Edwards when they, for a total of £23, "sold, conveyed and in open market delivered two negro slaves, viz.: the one a negro man name Joseph, the other a negro woman named Sue, and is wife to the said Jo, which slaves were lately the proper goods of said Jonathan Edwards." (A portion of the executors' report of Edwards' estate is reprinted in Fowler 1887: 16).

In a letter, Edwards wrote in his own defense, "If [the critics of slave owners] continue to cry out against those who keep Negro slaves," they would show themselves to be hypocrites, because they too benefited from the slave trade. "Let them also fully and thoroughly vindicate themselves and their own practice in partaking of negroes' slavery," he charged, "or confess that there is no hurt in partaking in it," otherwise "let 'em own that their objections are not conscientious."

http://www.yaleslavery.org/WhoYaleHonors/je.html



Even worse, many after hearing this so called sermon of love committed suicide.

Here is how one article describes the aftermath of this sermon :

Jonathan Edwards has come down to us in history as one of the all-time great men of the Protestant mold. He was a leading player in what came to be known as the "Great Awakening," an American revival of the 18th century. One can hear a copy of his sermon on my audio tape entitled "Sinners in the Hands of a Loving Creator." It has been reported that after he dangled huge audiences over the lake of fire with his polished and extreme language, people would go home and commit suicide. After listening to him, they couldn't bear living any longer.

Jonathan Edward's God was an angry god. He followed the footsteps of his apostle in the faith, John Calvin. John Calvin did not bring people to their own self-destruction. He burned them himself! (Read some books about how he had Michael Servetus burned to death.) John Calvin followed after his apostle in the faith-Augustine. Augustine was perhaps the most influential early church leader in bringing the doctrine of eternal punishment from paganism into Christianity. Prior to Augustine, there were few who held such teaching

http://www.tentmaker.org/Dew/Dew7/D7-SinnersInTheHandsOfAnAngryGod.html


I conclude by saying that God is indeed angry with unrepentant sinners , and he has reserved a day of judgement and wrath, however, God is not in the habit of scaremongering, endless threats and warnings of an everlasting eternal hell fire.

Calvinism is a doctrine of demons, it is cruel , evil and a LIE.
Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by Judas2013: 1:00pm On Aug 24, 2013
Lack of understanding is the problem christians have.

In Mathew 24:5.
"For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many"

Jesus is clearly saying he is not Christ. Many churches are proclaiming him Christ today.....which is bullshit

Matthew 24:34-35
"34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."

The dude was talking about his generation( which clearly did no happen and will never happen) He also was bluffing by saying heaven and earth will pass away which was an irony of what he meant. We all know the Sun,Moon,Planets including the earth will remain but his words are fake.

Christians should learn to read and understand the book they put so much faith in.
Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by cyrexx: 1:10pm On Aug 24, 2013
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Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by bizmahn: 4:57pm On Aug 24, 2013
@OP . I will neither excuse Jonathan Edwards errors in ignorance nor will I take sides with individuals on this forum that are propagating more damnable errors adamantly.I will also say that I knew nothing about Edwards involments in slavery.I only know he preached sound holiness messages.
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From sources I read, Edwards was a distinguished christian in character whose efforts was in later years marred by doctrinal contamination of "predestination".He believed a seemingly common teaching at his time that everything that occurs in the world is exactly as God predestined it to be–including slavery.This made him to keep slaves because he thought that's how God willed it.However there's indication he treated the slaves charitably & a record about him seem to suggest that he bought a slave out of charity for he was known to be charitable.
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You find similar pitfalls in some well meaning churches today.Though they are zealous yet they can pray "fall down & die" for all their enemies because its the level of their knowledge.
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Regarding the suicide claims from Edwards sermons,sources I read had it that only 2 people was said to have committed suicide and this was far long before Edwards, "sinners in the hands of an angry God" sermon.
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They were obviously among many that the spirit of God had deeply convicted of sins but being hardened in sins they took their own lives instead of decision to repent.That's precisely the same thing Judas did in the bible.But trust those that hate holiness preachers,they blew the whole thing about Edward out of proportion & failed to weigh his intents at those times.
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However since Edward ever ventured into slave issues whether of good intent or not, I henceforth withdraw my acknowledgements for him as I do all those that preach heresy.
Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by mumumugu(m): 5:25pm On Aug 24, 2013
Goshen360:

Good, you passed the first test. cheesy

headmaster, you be im teacher?
Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by FOLYKAZE(m): 5:31pm On Aug 24, 2013
This guy is really trying to write another epistle......yawn
Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by Ajibam: 8:07pm On Aug 24, 2013
Judas2013: Lack of understanding is the problem christians have.

In Mathew 24:5.
"For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many"

[s]Jesus is clearly saying he is not Christ. Many churches are proclaiming him Christ today.....which is bullshit[
/s]

Matthew 24:34-35
"34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."

The dude was talking about his generation( which clearly did no happen and will never happen) He also was bluffing by saying heaven and earth will pass away which was an irony of what he meant. We all know the Sun,Moon,Planets including the earth will remain but his words are fake.

Christians should learn to read and understand the book they put so much faith in.





He was trying to say that people would come and do miracles in his Name claiming they are christ...

Study this
mark13vs22
2john7
2thes2vs9
Re: Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God by Nobody: 8:13pm On Aug 24, 2013
bizmahn: @

Regarding the suicide claims from Edwards sermons,sources I read had it that only 2 people was said to have committed suicide and this was far long before Edwards, "sinners in the hands of an angry God" sermon.


Not true to the later part of the bolded.

Read this excerpt from his life story :

At least two people committed suicide in the depths of their spiritual distress, one from Edwards's own congregation—his uncle Joseph Hawley II. It is not known if any others took their own lives, but the "suicide craze" effectively ended the first wave of revival, except in some parts of Connecticut.[22].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Edwards_(theologian)

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