italo:

You could say so...even though some scientists would tell you that you dont really exist so there is really no math or logic.

Some scientists say...

Logicboy03:
This guy is not serious.

That has never been the explanation of human evolution and its evidence. Thre is fossil evidence and dna evidence to prove evolution- not just because it is in a science journal.


Your question has been duly answered, now answer mine

Kay 17:

In spite of what "some" scientists say, the reality is glaring. So far we have accepted our existence, and that of logic/mathematics.

Kay 17:
Now to the validity of our senses. By accepting truths as independent from us, we impliedly accept an objective world, which we are part of. Our senses access raw naked data, but our perception interprets these data in form of an inductive experience.

And how we get to use our perceptions correctly creates Science.

?

Kay 17:

But how do we know God exists?!

God can ONLY exist as a Creator, right?

italo:

There are miraculous proofs of God, not just because the Bible says so.

You are unable to show me how these laws/principles prove you more logical than anyone else.

My answer to your question. I neither believe nor disbelieve the toothfairy. I simply dont care about it.

italo: @logicboy, I answered your question in the last part of my previous post.

There are countless miracles every minute.

No miracle claimed by the Church has been debunked.

You hold yourself more logical than religious people. But you are unable to show these through these laws and principles of logic. Its not strawman.

Everybody claims they are logical and their adversary illogical based on the laws and principles of logic. Who is to arbitrate?

italo: @logicboy, I answered your question in the last part of my previous post.

There are countless miracles every minute.

No miracle claimed by the Church has been debunked.

You hold yourself more logical than religious people. But you are unable to show these through these laws and principles of logic. Its not strawman.

Everybody claims they are logical and their adversary illogical based on the laws and principles of logic. Who is to arbitrate?

Logicboy03:


What is with you and strawmen? I wont address your lousy accusations

My point here has been made. There are rules of logic and fallacies we use to point out weak arguments.


Now, answer my question- list 3 reasons why you are agnostic or disbelieve in the toothfairy

wiegraf:

2+2=4 is open to interpretion?
Logic itself isn't subjective. Axioms (for lack of a better word), on the other hand, could be. Note; 'could'

Aren't you tired of dancing? Show which axioms are subjective or SHARRAP

Kay 17: @italo

Ok. Good. You can see God.

Before we can suggest God exists, God is foremost a Creator, and we must be created. The most popular theist argument is, our Universe is well ordered, and such intricate order can not result from blind Nature, nor the Universe arises as a cause to itself.

You follow?

italo:

I dont know what you are talking about.

I do know, however, that various people hold on to contradictory positions and declare their positions to be in conformity with logic.

What you have failed to do is tell me why your understanding of 'conformity to objective logic' should be adopted by all the world.

Kay 17:

Now we are faced with identifying what's true beliefs from false one, it becomes obvious there are self evident truths like your existence, laws of thought/logic, mathematical truths.

Agree?

italo:

You could say so...even though some scientists would tell you that you dont really exist so there is really no math or logic.

Some scientists say...

wiegraf:

Because 2+2=4

wiegraf:

You even seem to have problems with scientists (?) that claim there is no (implied objective, in this context, as they're 'self evident') logic.

This is very simple, so I'll assume you have no problem being labeled by some random guy on the internet as disingenuous, yes?

italo:

Same reason your opponents would give for contradicting you.

italo:
The keyword in the above is "SEEM."

wiegraf:


Exactly how can you contradict 2+2=4, oh lover of tap dancing?

wiegraf:
So you have no problems with scientists claiming there's no such thing as reality or objective truth?

italo:
Exactly what your opponents would ask you.

italo:
I have not declared my stance on that...because I am trying not to digress.

wiegraf: ♫ Dance dance ♬♩
And the answer must be 4, else they'd be objectively wrong, see?

wiegraf: ♫
It's very relevant..... Do you concur; "there are objective facts" ?

italo:
They'd say same to you: "the answer must be 4, else you're objectively wrong."


Of course. Though people differ on what's objective and whats not.

wiegraf:

You now look like an oyinbo man attempting galala
Surely I don't have to point out why, yes?

Mr Troll: ^^^

Logicboy03:


Italo the dribbler
The Denier!!!!!


Gaddem! This guy can dribble logic!! Chei!!!

Logicboy03:


Italo the dribbler
The Denier!!!!!


Gaddem! This guy can dribble logic!! Chei!!!

italo:

How am I dribbling? By saying that some people think you and wiegraf illogical the same way you think them illogical?

Is that a lie?

wiegraf:
And the answer must be 4, else they'd be objectively wrong, see?

italo:
They'd say same to you: "the answer must be 4, else you're objectively wrong."

wiegraf:

Do show who denies this

Moving on to strawman #9348549304954434958750320345845702349548302495409024566





Erm, exactly. In case you missed it, we'd both say the same thing, because it's objectively true...

Opinions and what not; subjective. Logic of this sort? Obviously NO

My logic is math; objectively true. If not, show which axioms are subjective, conjecture, etc. Then you have a case, else, among other things, you're wrong, and objectively so... 2+2 cannot be 6, regardless of opinion

italo:

Precisely what they'd say to you.

Logicboy03:


Run out of ways to dribble eh?

Logicboy03:


Run out of ways to dribble eh?

italo:

How am I dribbling? By saying that some people think you and wiegraf illogical the same way you think them illogical?

Is that a lie?

wiegraf:

He's actually the best of what's on offer atm....

Mr Troll: now i don't know whether to laugh or cry. . .