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|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by HappyPagan: 12:41pm On Aug 09|
Blabbermouth, why not create a thread and invite people to comment on it? Rather than hijacking a thread for unbelievers for your proselytism.
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by JeromeBlack: 5:43pm On Aug 09|
A troll must troll .
Do you expect someone like him to have sense
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by LordReed(m): 11:29pm On Aug 10|
I apologize first to the author since it seems this page has been hijacked and I appreciate the telling of a transition in her life. I disagree with the move, and believe wholeheartedly that atheism holds many more facets of wonder, kinship and truth than does Christianity but to each their own.
I also agree with whatever may give hope to a person in their life or what may allow them to become a good person in action. If, however, the belief change also brought with it attempts to establish religion as a foundation for secular things such as laws or medical practices, I would not agree with the transition.
That said. God, for the atheist and the theist, must not exist. The universe contains all things that exist. The universe is made up of time and space. God is outside of time and space. Therefore God is not contained by the universe and thus does not exist.
For the theist this is how God knows all, is an objective morale character, etc. For the atheist this is why we have no proof of such an entity. If the theist wants to argue that God is contained within the universe than that theist must allow that God is not all knowing, all powerful or ever present. Without these features God cannot be absolute truth or good, merely superior in truth knowledge or goodness. If the theist wishes to believe in a non-existent deity they may certainly do so, but they cannot argue from a stance of understanding that deity nor knowing it’s will.
Any person who attempts to argue based upon knowledge of God is indicating that God can be contained within the universe, since the idea of and actions from said God would then be contained in the universe. That leads back to the problem of a God that exists, and anything that exists is testable, imperfect and unable to know all, be all, and everywhere. Which means again that the Christian God is not the God of the bible.
There are many more arguments that could happen here but the fact is, either God is unknowable and possibly the Christian God as described in the bible (but you wouldn’t know it exists). It doesn’t exist. Or it exists as a superior entity that has essentially made up or has had people make up a text that describes it as better, bigger, more than it is at which point the belief is in something that exists but again, not in the way any Christian specifically believes.
The bible then becomes a work by people. Even the bible itself is only indicated to be inspired by God. Inspiration has a root of given life, such as Adam was inspired when God breathed life into him, or man when Zeus had cupid do the same thing over a thousand years before. This is inherently an idea of starting something and then letting it run. So, in context of a book, it would be something like God gave the urge to write and some people did. But that doesn’t mean or indicate it was gods word itself but instead how people interpreted this universe (god’s will). Since again that will cannot be known, it means the bible is inherently not absolute truth by design, though some aspects may be by happenstance, we cannot test it since the God it speaks of cannot exist.
This is based upon an understanding of existence that spans all human thought across all cultures. There are no exceptions. Some attempt to get around the idea of all things exist in a multi-verse bit really they are saying that there are multiple subsections that obey different rules though all of those would classically be under the one term of universe. And it seems like a bit of an easy way out at this point to make some scientific theories make sense before we have the tools to detect something else that works better. I digress.
I doubt this argument works for all deities because most of then are just superior people (Greek, Japanese, Roman, most older tribal groups, Hinduism, Buddhism, babylonian etc) and do not run into the problem of being unobtainable within the universe. It certainly applies to the Christian God and makes arrogant prideful people of those who claim to understand, know, or speak on behalf of their unknowable God.
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|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Blabbermouth: 12:04am On Aug 11|
Ye speak blasphemy of what ye knowest not. If by chance, this God doesn't exist, then what should be for the universe, NOTHINGNESS
Humans would rather dwell in the point in which they find comforting, whether it be safe or not.
Dark-matter, Black holes, witchcraft and all, what form of logic holds them true. In as much as this "Logic" of a thing couldn't account for all these stuffs that evidently exist and operates, shouldn't Logic itself be questioned
And one said, "If this God isn't bound by space and time, it consequently doesn't exist in the universe". We should also say unto thee " If God is bound by space and time, then there should exist also NOTHINGNESS for the universe ". They took from their two-edged sword , the part that seemed blunt and wouldn't cut through them.
Under close scrutiny, their logic crumbled like an ice castle by the dawn of the day.
The devil dwelleth among thee, it feedeth from your ignorance and lack of understanding.
@JeromeBlack, I don't know why...My heart is so drawn to you. Your logic taught u how 'God doesn't exist" but didn't enlighten you How the Universe itself could be substantial without the "God" factor.
Can you see, the brainwashing. Simple logic would claim Dark-matter is impossible, if it hasn't been evident. Logic would have said "Black hole" is only a fiction and fairy tale for the kids if it hadn't been evident.
Assuming, a black hole or a dark matter meant mass destruction and I warned you against it, after u would have laughed and said "My logic doesn't support your shiit" and it became evident like it is presently, what would become of u
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by LordReed(m): 5:12pm On Aug 11|
American Dad S11e15 Daesong Heavy Industries. Faith is for suckers. LMFAO! Awesome episode.
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|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by HappyPagan: 12:41pm On Aug 12|
Happy Sallah y'all.
My 31st birthday is tomorrow. Got an early birthday present last week -- new job . Hope y'all good.
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|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by LordReed(m): 12:49pm On Aug 12|
Congratulations on both buddy. Have a Radler for me tomorrow.
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by JeromeBlack: 1:20pm On Aug 12|
Please remember to tithe your first salary. It is important for your salvation
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by HappyPagan: 2:27pm On Aug 12|
I'll make it two.
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by HappyPagan: 2:28pm On Aug 12|
Money wey I fit use buy weed... God forbid...
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by LordReed(m): 11:44am On Aug 16|
Anybody else watching/watched Legion? I haven't seen psychology so well adapted to the screen.
Ask yourself, what's more frightening, fear or the frightened?
Gods make rules, they don't follow them.
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by topher052: 4:59am On Aug 17|
Vessel of Christ
@xtopherdigest. Kindly follow me on twitter for daily motivation.
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|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Born2Freak(f): 1:04pm On Aug 19|
The best description for Legion is "a visual representation of an acid trip".
I love the show though. It is literally mind-bending. I give hand to the creators and writers of the show.
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by LordReed(m): 3:30pm On Aug 19|
I love it too and it's a shame it's so short. The writers did an awesome job but I feel they rushed the finale. The shadow king's change of heart was so sudden literally out of the blue (pun intended).
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Born2Freak(f): 3:42pm On Aug 19|
Amal Farouk. Bad guy
It was not so sudden. When Amal Farouk joined the organisation against David, he started to talk more to David whenever they met. He never really fought him.
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by LordReed(m): 4:41pm On Aug 19|
Ah but that epic battle on in the desert was not a joke. Besides it was the past Amahl Farouk whose sudden change that made it look kinda rushed.
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by sam4gov: 9:06pm On Aug 21|
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