cosmatika: Na d chief wey doctor call U dey shark ur head? And who tld U dat ur proffession is d bedrock of modern medicine? By taking a proper history, d doctor gets 80% of his diagnosis, on physical examination 90%, ur lab is jst confirmatory, ie 10%. U can only insult drs dat dnt knw wat dey re doing

princenonny: mr nuerse u have obviously spilled wat I hv always suspected. U didn't make it into medical skl. Wat a pity. Its obvious u were neva intelligent enuf to make it thorugh jamb even though u 'knw' some ppl with lower scores and yet made it. If they r nt fit to studey, medicine wud naturally eliminate dem in 2nd mbbs. So dnt beef drs. Let me tell u somtn...in med skl, 'many are called bt a few are chosen'Go back and read medicine via jamb or direct entry instead of beafin us....

phnibeogu:



Ok, let me sound nicer.. no more insults.. but u shouldnt think its a doctors right to administrate.. and the real issue is not to put nurses or whosoever.. its to correct the fact that doctors cant do it well ... and be replaced by health administrators... simple.. theres no strike for the nurses to lead.. rather for doctors to go down

Ochek:

Another baby doctor on the lose!
Update: Save surgery which is not included in a nurses curriculum, I can bet ma life there ve got loads of knowledge about medicine. Yes! I know this cos I ve them around.

If I may ask, did u health professionals say u do a team work with the others? If so, whatz ur definition of team work.

If it is a team work, then y re u all scared of letting another handle d wheel and u make ur own input?

princenonny: look @ dis apprentice calling hmsef/hersef master....u have absolutely no knowledge abt medicine. Can I ask u a question? How do u arrive @ a diagnosis Do u knw hw to take history, or physically examine a patient Or even investiage a patient All u do is follow instructions of a dr. Dats all....get it into ur thick skulls dat u r only an assistant. U can neva b oga cos u knw notin. Nurses dnt b deceive by d 'rebellious' lab techs and knw ur place

princenonny: look @ dis apprentice calling hmsef/hersef master....u have absolutely no knowledge abt medicine. Can I ask u a question? How do u arrive @ a diagnosis Do u knw hw to take history, or physically examine a patient Or even investiage a patient All u do is follow instructions of a dr. Dats all....get it into ur thick skulls dat u r only an assistant. U can neva b oga cos u knw notin. Nurses dnt b deceive by d 'rebellious' lab techs and knw ur place

Oduduwaboy: Nooooooooo.....! They should not return to work o. Let them keep agitating for things that don't belong to them.

The health sector in Nigeria will know no peace until the concerned unions recognise the natural rights of doctors to head the sector ....the arguments for this are many and logical.

Ochek:

Last bullet for u oga doctor!
Thanks for identifying me with a noble profession - Nursing.
Do I envy medicine? Yes! But one thing I know, God won't let me be ur kinda doctor if I ever decide to be one. Your IQ as a doc is appalling to other Doctors on NL hence u lack constructive argument.
Wishing u the best at ur job doc.
One luv.

Oduduwaboy: Nooooooooo.....! They should not return to work o. Let them keep agitating for things that don't belong to them.

The health sector in Nigeria will know no peace until the concerned unions recognise the natural rights of doctors to head the sector ....the arguments for this are many and logical.

mrnomz: is it right that a graduate of a 6yr course is placed so high than a 5 yr course ?judging from the fact that it's just a difference of 1yr n that placement levels confirms that difference already,why then should one be more favored than the other as if both didn't graduate from the university.if a medical doc stays more than 6 yrs in school,its the persons fault.nobody forced such person into the course,so it shouldnt be a matter to debate in the sense that because u didn't graduate at the stipulated time,u now think other courses r below u n u should be paid way higher than others.by the way,docs ain't more important than other medical professional because no course is an island.#period

0key: Some people don't understand what it means to b a consultant. A medical consultant is a doctor that specializes in a particular area of medicine or surgery. That is why u have neurologist, cardiologist, urologist, cardothoraxic surgeon, orthopaedic surgeon, ophthalmologist etc. These specialists have different roles they play in teaching hospitals and FMCs, and they don't encroach on one another's field. So, d reason for doctors to b consultants is not disputed. Coming over to health workers who are clamouring to b consultants, are they going to perform the same work or their work is going to b divided. For eg, in pharmacy department, if they have consultants, what would b their job description? Are they all going to perform the same function (i.e. compounding and dispensing of drugs) or is there any special thing one consultant is going to do different from another one?
Again what are the areas they are to specialize and the scope of these areas?

A doctor is the head of d medical team cos of his centralised knowledge he possesses which is not sufficient in other health fields. For instance, a doctor has broad knowledge about laboratory, pharmacy and patient's care coupled with his own work. He supervises how things should b done to achieve total cure & improvements in quality of life. Hence, their role is a centralised and unifying one.

Proper understanding of d above will go a long way to curb unnecessary tensions in healthcare sector.

princenonny: what do u tink u knw dat we dnt knw Yet we knw a lot dat u dnt knw and wud neva knw unless u goin bk to skl and read medicine. This strikes has proved dat we are an ISLAND and we r proud abt it. Go bk and strike we dnt need u.

Joanna Sedley: Crying blood here while agric professors and professors of medicine are earning the same salary in the universities.
Most utterances of the debaters here is really nothing to write home about. Talk about deficiency in knowledge of training, job description of other professionals.

biomedixexcel: Medical Workers Strike Suspension: If I Were
NMA By Fejiro Oliver
Posted by Editor
A choir is made up of many voices, including
yours and mine. If one by one all go silent then
all that will be left are the soloists. Don’t let a
loud few determine the nature of the sound. It
makes for poor harmony and diminishes the
song.” – Vera Nazarian
Generations change their style of life; they dictate
how their future and that of their unborn should be.
They do so not at the peril of others, but for the
entire benefit of mankind. Their struggle begins from
the womb and come to fruition when they decide to
take their destinies in their hands. Still yet, they are
sympathetic to the cause of their current generation
even as they fight for a tomorrow they may never
see. But nothing is more paradisic (my own word for
living in paradise) than see their struggles,
agitations and tussle for survival come to fruition
while the breath of life still run in them.
The above aptly capture the delicate health system
and their medical workers who despite their
agitations remembered their Hippocratic Oath and
graciously, but with a clause suspended the strike.
At exactly 12.15am Wednesday, a top official of the
union sent me a text that the strike has just been
suspended. Before then, a government top official
has hinted me that they are meeting and the
minister who is currently under fire is ready to climb
down from his high horse and accede to JOHESU
requests. In the meeting which had the minister of
health were also present; the Head of civil service of
the federation and National President of TUC was an
agreement reached that the strike will be suspended
for four weeks, with an implementation committee
headed by the Head of civil service to implement the
ruling of the National Industrial court and the
minister not to go on appeal.
The true mark of repentance is humility, which Mr.
Onyebuchi Chukwu (who is likely to see me as an
antagonist, but I see him as a friend in progress)
may have shown by finally seeing reasons for the
just action of JOHESU. I do not believe he’s unjustly
insensitive, but the NMA constituency which he
belongs seems to affect his reasoning. He has
decided to right the wrongs of Late Ransome Kuti
and we bid posterity to begin his judgment from
there. Now that the strike has been called off; what
would I have done if I were the NMA national
president?
The strike once again has proved that the doctors of
medicine(MD) cannot work as health practitioners
without the other doctors and medical practitioners’,
thus proving that all services rendered by these
medical personnel are indispensible. Were I the
NMA chairman, I would humbly call my partners in
JOHESU and NUPTAM; apologize for any
inflammatory statements that might have angered
their members to pour out their venomous wrath on
Nigerians, which led to increased number of death
since their services were withdrawn. I will borrow a
leaf from the NMA Gombe State chairman, Dr Jauro
Degri statement, acknowledging their inability to
take the place of the other medical officers, thus,
“we want to inform the public that whatever service
we cannot render as a result of the strike, we can
always advise and direct them to where they can be
attended to”. It doesn’t cost a dime to be modest and
plead that the ultimate end for all medical workers is
what Dr Jauro said, “We are all trained to save lives
and these lives, we must save, because we know
that one day, we must account for this work that we
are doing,”. This is what the NMA should do
preaching unity and collaboration among
themselves.
Were I the NMA, I will team up with NUPTAM to
form a union that will take the government on the
decayed health facilities in the country, failed health
issues as their ASUU counterpart are demanding for
improvement in the education industry. Imagine a
union such as this going on strike! You can bet on it
that their industrial action will not last for more than
48 hours before the government of the day consent
to their reasonable request(s). They will get the
optimum support of all Nigerians, as their being
indispensible will be proved beyond reasonable
doubt. I will reflect on the NMA strike in Lagos State
where Governor Babatunde Fashola relegated them
to an inconsequential association, despite the weeks
it lingered, with works going on fully in Lagos
hospitals. A union such has this would have made
Fashola literary creeping and begging for it to be
called off. If I were NMA; I would advocate for this
common union in the spirit of brotherhood and
comradeship.
Had I been the NMA, I will truly seek the advice of
the Medical Laboratory scientist who is more
grounded in their field and thus better, than a
pathologist. I will see their services as indispensible,
taking a big lesson from the MD in UBTH who tried
to do the work of the striking Medical scientist and
ended up spilling 18 PCV out of 24 PCV, a clear case
of inability.
How about the case of the Doctors of physiotherapy
(DPT)? The Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria
(MDCN) will join the Medical Rehabilitation Therapy
Board (MRTB) to ask the government to provide
enough equipment to the various hospitals, to enable
the few graduates they produce do their internship
in any hospital in the country. Next, we will write to
Nigerian Universities Commission to increase the
number of universities studying this course (they are
less than 15), while we do all it takes to meet the
requirements to setting up such department. A new
branch of medicine it is but indispensible. Nigerian
former military president, Babangida can testify to
it, when he went for a broken leg treatment abroad,
as well as former vice president, Atiku Abubakar
who have been treated by name. Do we need to
mention the governor of Taraba State who needs it
to come back to his memory, working alongside a
neuro specialist?
To the nurses, who are the de facto head of the
wards, will I pledge my union support, to respect
and not claim to be their boss when actually we are
not, either by practice or training, except by age or
grade level. We at the NMA executive will set up a
committee to look into the unwritten fracas
happening between the doctors of medicine and
nursing graduates; then proffer a solution once and
for all, knowing that the common stake we share is
to make a patient get well. We will go the length of
meeting the radiography board to iron out our
differences while reaching a synergy that not only
will they exercise their authority as the modern eyes
of in-depth medical practice in their private
hospitals, but also government hospitals.
We understand that we don’t know anything about
diet, and thus should not feign to be dieticians. As
the NMA, we accept that we are only a group of
specialist in a particular field, who even in our
personal lives seek the advice of the dieticians and
follow strictly the diet they laid down for us. This
dietary department, if true confession is made is a no
go area, and thus we won’t and should not deceive
patients that it’s within our jurisdiction to give right
solution. Succinctly put; we are only an allied
profession to it just as we are to others and they are
to us.
To undermine the Pharmacists who are called
Doctor of Pharmacy abroad, if I were a NMA
president is to commit career suicide, since my
patients cure begin from their doorsteps. They
manufacture the drugs which we prescribe to
whoever seeks our advice. Beside, these are group
of people who can work alone and in places outside
the hospital/clinic settings without needing my
services or educational input. I will seek to mend
fence with them if there were any.
Why should we in the medical sector struggle for
leadership when that is actually not the problem
with our hospitals. In the beginning, it was not so;
thus I will let my NMA constituency know that there
are no superior in this field of medicine, but equals
working toward the same purpose, to achieve a
common goal- improved and better health care for
us with good monetary value accrued to our
services. The debate for harmony is a welcome
development, so will I see it, after all, we truly
harmonize in the discharge of our duties to the
patients. The mistake/failure on the part of a medical
lab scientist or radiographer renders useless all the
treatment of a doctor of medicine or doctor of
physiotherapy. The careless action of a nurse will
see a patient to the grave and the list goes on. I will
gladly follow the words of Tony Hillarman,
“Everything is connected. The wing of the corn
beetle affects the direction of the wind, the way the
sand drifts, the way the light reflects into the eye of
man beholding his reality. All is part of totality, and
in this totality man finds his hozro, his way of
walking in harmony, with beauty all around him”.
This is the harmony that we truly need which should
reflect in the leadership. We agree that anyone can
head, but better if a hospital administrator is made
the head while we all focus on our clinical duties,
and the commissioner or minister of health being
from any competent medical practitioner.
Oh if I were! I will not see Fejiro Oliver as a witch
hunting journalist, who was paid to demystify the
medical profession, but a reporter who was simply
doing his job to see that the health sector is truly
reformed and a better working relationship among
all the practitioners. Yes, I will look at all he has said
critically, analyzed it and with modesty kick off to
work.
I really wish were!
Nothing gladdens a reporter’s heart than seeing his
genuine cry heard in the interest of the nation. We at
secretsreporters saw a medical strike genocide
coming had the state and local government hospitals
joined today, that the strike was eventually
suspended. We saw our grandparents in the village
raining curses on the government for denying them
access to these medical workers, most especially the
ladies who love to visit a hospital and love being
attended to by the ladies in white. While they label
our report as being too frank; we just could not be
too mild with the lives of Nigerians. What they fail to
understand is that should NMA go on a just strike
tomorrow, we will still be here to ring the bells in
support of them. Oh yes, we will!
We‘ve not backed out of the call to relieve the
minister of health of his ministerial position, but it’s
never late for him to make amend, go back to the
drawing table and retrace his steps. The strike has
only been suspended, not called off; hence let the
agreement and consensus to these deserving
requests be granted. This is no call of support for
JOHESU but for the general good of the citizenry
who will die next after the expiration of four weeks
with the agreement not honored. Even the lands
have rejected their corpse; Mr. President, do not
force them on the land.
For now, JOHESU/NUPTAM and the patients in the
hospitals that will now see their doctors, Nurses,
Medical lab scientist, Imaging Scientist, Dieticians
etc back to work treat them, can now pop
champagne.
These little things matter…

nuelle: Joanna Sedley, thank you.
1.Osahon7
2.Princenonny
3.Phantom
4.Okey
&
5.Cosmatika, you're all unbelievable.

Osahon7: and a consultant lab technician? Dat of d pharmacist and Nurses are vry reasonable to some extent bt not lab technichians

phantom: you know nobody will really crucify you IF you dont have an opinion.

Joanna Sedley: Crying blood here while agric professors and professors of medicine are earning the same salary in the universities.
Most utterances of the debaters here is really nothing to write home about. Talk about deficiency in knowledge of training, job description of other professionals.

GentleMimi:
Its really unfortunate dat u d'nt know d diff btw a tech and a med lab scientist.Well i d'nt blame u.I blame pvt hsptls dat employ techs and potray dem as scientist just cos they c'nt afford to pay a med scientist

princenonny: what do u tink u knw dat we dnt knw Yet we knw a lot dat u dnt knw and wud neva knw unless u goin bk to skl and read medicine. This strikes has proved dat we are an ISLAND and we r proud abt it. Go bk and strike we dnt need u.

GentleMimi:
Its really unfortunate dat u d'nt know d diff btw a tech and a med lab scientist.Well i d'nt blame u.I blame pvt hsptls dat employ techs and potray dem as scientist just cos they c'nt afford to pay a med scientist

Dnaz:

so e dey pain u DAT u r being compared to a lab technician. besides what does d so called scientist do DAT d technician can't?

Osahon7:
i'm vry sure med lab scientist and lab technicians are different bt if i can recall lab technicians where also among d health workers dat went no strike because dey needed consultancy title..why did u guys include d lab technicians,dental therapist,and dieticians??

phantom: idiotic post....you failed out of medicine and ended up in med lab science and you now want to eat the same salary with doctors.you want to be consultants so that you and the consultant doctor go dey argue over patients.....olodo.....lol.go back to school and pass 2nd MB if to answer doctor dey sweet you.clown!

Osahon7:
i'm vry sure med lab scientist and lab technicians are different bt if i can recall lab technicians where also among d health workers dat went no strike because dey needed consultancy title..why did u guys include d lab technicians,dental therapist,and dieticians??

phantom: so kini big deal.....thats a diffferent kettle of fish.you are talking about the academia and all professors on the same grade level earn the same thing