infonubia:
I attend Dominion International Center

We attend the same church. ..wow

Have you decided on what service to attend..the first or second?

kokoye:

We attend the same church. ..wow

Have you decided on what service to attend..the first or second?

Cool...I'm at DIC Spring.

stagger:

In an army, there are privates, corporals, lieutenants, captains, colonels, and generals.

They are all soldiers, but there are those with a higher ranking based on what they have achieved and their abilities as well as the number of years they have been in service. This is the military ranking system.

There are doctors, but we have the trainee ones and the specialists. I am sure you know there is a difference. Try giving a trainee doctor a kid to carry out a heart operation and we will hear the story for years to come.

There are Christians and there are Christians. That is why a demon said to the seven sons of Sceva (who incidentally was a pastor or a priest in that era): "Jesus I know, Paul I know, but who are you?

So in case you say, we are all anointed, let me ask you:

a) Yes, we as Christians are all anointed but can you claim to have cured a terminal illness by prayer?
b) Have you ever prayed for the dead and they were raised up?
c) How fast do you receive answers to your prayers? Instantly, after a while, or do you have to rely on others (including your pastor) to pray for you to get results?
d) Can you preach the word with signs and wonders?
e) Can you see rain clouds forming and rain threatening to destroy your programme, and you can decree that the rain not fall until you are done? (late Archbishop Benson Idahosa once did this in a crusade and the rain that started to fall stopped immediately).
f) Can you decree things to happen and they will happen as you decreed? Can you control the elements with your prayer?
g) Can you decree the death of an evil man and it will come to pass?
h) Can you cause strange deliverance to occur by a word of prayer? A man of God I know once prayed a prayer for someone I know and lightening came from the sky, divided the roof of his family house, into the parlour, and created a massive crater that excavated charms and eartheware pots located almost 10 feet into the ground somewhere in Anambra state. This is a confirmed story, not hearsay.

Another I know (not even a popular one, you may call him an unknown pastor) commanded a mad man to be cured and he was very very cured. I saw this myself live in a branch of Assemblies of God church in a program I was invited to attend.

Yes we are anointed, but even occultists and traditionalists know that there is a ranking in the spiritual realm. Agwoturumbe as a native doctor, was far superior to others in one of the semi-fictional novels written by Elechi Amadi.

Similarly, you cannot compare yourself as a Christian to Chris Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo, Enoch Adeboye, Father Ede, Lazarus Muoka, Chuks Ogbueli and others. You cannot tread where they have been. You will be taken out instantly.

Those are the ones known as "the prophets" to whom no harm should be done.

guy you greatly miss the point. the bible knows that there were different gifts. but none can function independently of the other parts no matter how insignificant. that is true of the body of Christ.

Paul did alot more than all the apostles, but please mention one title he bore and which his name cant be written without it.

the prophets referred to in that psalms are not the kind of prophet which manifested during pentacost. if you preach God's word of prophecy, you could be regarded as a prophet. or even when you are being used by God.

in the area of anointing. when the anointing came in the bible times, every xtians received it, but they had different gift. it could be tongues, prophesying, knowledge, discernment, etc, but all this makes up the body of christ. that some gifts are not prominent doesnt mean that those ones should be viewed as less anointed than others. ALL ARE ANOINTED, PRIESTS, SAINTS ETC.

My brother face the fact. even these titles they bore is a far cry from the teachings of Christ. remember 'not everyone calling Lord Lord and perform powerful works will enter, but those that does the Will of God'.

when somebody knowingly go against what is written, to me, that person has no value no matter the miracle!

FACE THE FACT.

Revelation indeed

stagger:

In an army, there are privates, corporals, lieutenants, captains,
colonels, and generals.

They are all soldiers, but there are those with a higher ranking based
on what they have achieved and their abilities as well as the number of
years they have been in service. This is the military ranking system.

There are doctors, but we have the trainee ones and the specialists. I
am sure you know there is a difference. Try giving a trainee doctor a
kid to carry out a heart operation and we will hear the story for years
to come.

There are Christians and there are Christians. That is why a demon said
to the seven sons of Sceva (who incidentally was a pastor or a priest in
that era): "Jesus I know, Paul I know, but who are you?

So in case you say, we are all anointed, let me ask you:

a) Yes, we as Christians are all anointed but can you claim to have
cured a terminal illness by prayer?
b) Have you ever prayed for the dead and they were raised up?
c) How fast do you receive answers to your prayers? Instantly, after a
while, or do you have to rely on others (including your pastor) to pray
for you to get results?
d) Can you preach the word with signs and wonders?
e) Can you see rain clouds forming and rain threatening to destroy your
programme, and you can decree that the rain not fall until you are done?
(late Archbishop Benson Idahosa once did this in a crusade and the rain
that started to fall stopped immediately).
f) Can you decree things to happen and they will happen as you decreed?
Can you control the elements with your prayer?
g) Can you decree the death of an evil man and it will come to pass?
h) Can you cause strange deliverance to occur by a word of prayer? A man
of God I know once prayed a prayer for someone I know and lightening
came from the sky, divided the roof of his family house, into the
parlour, and created a massive crater that excavated charms and
eartheware pots located almost 10 feet into the ground somewhere in
Anambra state. This is a confirmed story, not hearsay.

Another I know (not even a popular one, you may call him an unknown
pastor) commanded a mad man to be cured and he was very very cured. I
saw this myself live in a branch of Assemblies of God church in a
program I was invited to attend.

Yes we are anointed, but even occultists and traditionalists know that
there is a ranking in the spiritual realm. Agwoturumbe as a native
doctor, was far superior to others in one of the semi-fictional novels
written by Elechi Amadi.

Similarly, you cannot compare yourself as a Christian to Chris
Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo, Enoch Adeboye, Father Ede, Lazarus Muoka,
Chuks Ogbueli and others. You cannot tread where they have been. You
will be taken out instantly.

Those are the ones known as "the prophets" to whom no harm should be
done.

hmmmmmmm MANY MANY THANKS NICE ONE

bosa1: thanks. please which place of worship do u attend

Na abba father assembly, tree of life garden .....egbagbe church- him wan dey go!

ezjen:
Na abba father assembly, tree of life garden .....egbagbe church- him wan dey go!

I wish you well oooo

This is a good write-up. More of this and less of tongue-bashing.

stagger:

In an army, there are privates, corporals, lieutenants, captains, colonels, and generals.

They are all soldiers, but there are those with a higher ranking based on what they have achieved and their abilities as well as the number of years they have been in service. This is the military ranking system.

There are doctors, but we have the trainee ones and the specialists. I am sure you know there is a difference. Try giving a trainee doctor a kid to carry out a heart operation and we will hear the story for years to come.

There are Christians and there are Christians. That is why a demon said to the seven sons of Sceva (who incidentally was a pastor or a priest in that era): "Jesus I know, Paul I know, but who are you?

So in case you say, we are all anointed, let me ask you:

a) Yes, we as Christians are all anointed but can you claim to have cured a terminal illness by prayer?
b) Have you ever prayed for the dead and they were raised up?
c) How fast do you receive answers to your prayers? Instantly, after a while, or do you have to rely on others (including your pastor) to pray for you to get results?
d) Can you preach the word with signs and wonders?
e) Can you see rain clouds forming and rain threatening to destroy your programme, and you can decree that the rain not fall until you are done? (late Archbishop Benson Idahosa once did this in a crusade and the rain that started to fall stopped immediately).
f) Can you decree things to happen and they will happen as you decreed? Can you control the elements with your prayer?
g) Can you decree the death of an evil man and it will come to pass?
h) Can you cause strange deliverance to occur by a word of prayer? A man of God I know once prayed a prayer for someone I know and lightening came from the sky, divided the roof of his family house, into the parlour, and created a massive crater that excavated charms and eartheware pots located almost 10 feet into the ground somewhere in Anambra state. This is a confirmed story, not hearsay.

Another I know (not even a popular one, you may call him an unknown pastor) commanded a mad man to be cured and he was very very cured. I saw this myself live in a branch of Assemblies of God church in a program I was invited to attend.

Yes we are anointed, but even occultists and traditionalists know that there is a ranking in the spiritual realm. Agwoturumbe as a native doctor, was far superior to others in one of the semi-fictional novels written by Elechi Amadi.

Similarly, you cannot compare yourself as a Christian to Chris Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo, Enoch Adeboye, Father Ede, Lazarus Muoka, Chuks Ogbueli and others. You cannot tread where they have been. You will be taken out instantly.

Those are the ones known as "the prophets" to whom no harm should be done.

You make much sense and you are very right on rankings and levels of anointing in the Church. But I want you to consider some verses in the Bible:

Matt. 18:6: But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Matt. 18:10: Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

These verses, to me, show who exactly God must have been referring to when He commanded that his anointed should not be touched. I see God placing emphasis of responsibility and accountability more on the leadership; more duty of care and protection on the followership. I would like us to juxtapose that with what the Op wrote by quoting:

"... by citing the story of Moses and his siblings in Numbers 12:4-10, then back it up with Ps. 105.15 or 'we' place people under a curse { I wonder if we understand scriptures at all ... we place God's people under a curse, after that Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the Law, being made a curse
for us}..."

This cursing of followers syndrome is now common in churches and I believe what the Op wrote is more relevant than for us to try to justify why people of God should be placed under bondage or curse from men of God who live in error but who rather feel they have been "touched" by their followers when they are corrected and proceed to use verses in the bible to utter curses and condemnations.

This was a point I ruminated over before going to sleep last night, and what I concluded is that the leaders who make their followers to err or who curse their followers are in for bigger judgment from God, who has saved and blessed them (and who says, 'touch not my anointed').

How does God warn leaders from judgment and let them know this to correct themselves if we are to keep silent without "touching the anointed"? I know that you will likely say that they should be left to God only. But you must also realize that God often speaks to leaders through voices of men who are 'less anointed' than those leaders. Many kings and spiritual leaders were warned in scriptures by people whom they ruled as subordinates.

Your insistence that erring leaders should be left alone would only tell me that I may have to delete the writtings on prophets and watchmen whom God sent to warn the leaders of Israel in the OT and Christians in the NT from my Bible.

A lot of men of God apply their rights as leaders to rain curses, but I have news for them. Their ministries would soon be taken by God and their anointing, like in the case of King Saul and little Shepherd Boy, David, handed over to much more responsible people who would build their followers even when they feel they have 'wrongfully condemned' or 'opposed' them. Remember, when David was hurt by even his son, he did not place a curse on him but rather pleaded for leniency. Remember also that Moses pleaded with God to reverse or reduce His judgments on offenders too. It's such leaders that God delights in.

This is one reason I respect Pastor Adeboye. When he had issues with Pastor Bakare, he would only say, "May God forgive him". A man of God is expected to build rather than detsroy due to personal grievance.

JMAN05:

guy you greatly miss the point. the bible knows that there were different gifts. but none can function independently of the other parts no matter how insignificant. that is true of the body of Christ.

Paul did alot more than all the apostles, but please mention one title he bore and which his name cant be written without it.

the prophets referred to in that psalms are not the kind of prophet which manifested during pentacost. if you preach God's word of prophecy, you could be regarded as a prophet. or even when you are being used by God.

in the area of anointing. when the anointing came in the bible times, every xtians received it, but they had different gift. it could be tongues, prophesying, knowledge, discernment, etc, but all this makes up the body of christ. that some gifts are not prominent doesnt mean that those ones should be viewed as less anointed than others. ALL ARE ANOINTED, PRIESTS, SAINTS ETC.

My brother face the fact. even these titles they bore is a far cry from the teachings of Christ. remember 'not everyone calling Lord Lord and perform powerful works will enter, but those that does the Will of God'.

when somebody knowingly go against what is written, to me, that person has no value no matter the miracle!

FACE THE FACT.

Very much on point.

alexleo:

Its like you are one those people who are intimidating your members with touch not my anointed? Be careful not to miss heaven because nobody tells you where you are wrong. When you can't accept correction from human being, is it the still small voice of the Holy Spirit that you won't supress with your pride or whatever?

Exactly what is happening in the case currently going viral... # Pastor versus congregation member sex scandal. The still small voice may be saying, "Confess, repent and seek God's face for a renewal", but pride says, "God says we should be silent" and "wait for a robust reply".

Wait, did you see that too? So, there are some added verses in the bible and rephrased ones. No wonder there is confusion, why would some group of people think the original word of God is not good enough, all to replace it by the fake. Does anyone mind explaining?

Triumphant Christain Church.
do u have a worship centre in benin city.

Revolva: yes @op i support you...so where did cain go to marry when he went far east....who did he marry? dat one dem never tell us till date

The reason you say something like this is because you have never read the bible yourself. When you hear a particular story from the bible, you should know that such a story could have spanned hundreds of years. It is just like when people preach from the story of Joseph and fail to let their listeners know that Joseph was in prison for over 10 years. They just say Joseph went from portiphars house to prime minister as if it happened in one day. The same thing for Cain. These stories spanned hundreds of years and the writer just wrote what was most important for our learning. The whole story of Adam's life will fill volumes and volumes of books. Adam had lots of children and the world was already filled with thousands of people before Adam died. Adam lived for over 900 years. So just imagine the increase in world population from 1000 AD to 1900 AD.

@OP, pls, can U̶̲̥̅̊ give ♏ε̲̣̣̣̥ the address of dominion International centre in lagos? Nice write-up, God bless U̶̲̥̅̊.

too long...can someone summarize for me??

stagger:

In an army, there are privates, corporals, lieutenants, captains, colonels, and generals.

They are all soldiers, but there are those with a higher ranking based on what they have achieved and their abilities as well as the number of years they have been in service. This is the military ranking system.

There are doctors, but we have the trainee ones and the specialists. I am sure you know there is a difference. Try giving a trainee doctor a kid to carry out a heart operation and we will hear the story for years to come.

There are Christians and there are Christians. That is why a demon said to the seven sons of Sceva (who incidentally was a pastor or a priest in that era): "Jesus I know, Paul I know, but who are you?

So in case you say, we are all anointed, let me ask you:

a) Yes, we as Christians are all anointed but can you claim to have cured a terminal illness by prayer?
b) Have you ever prayed for the dead and they were raised up?
c) How fast do you receive answers to your prayers? Instantly, after a while, or do you have to rely on others (including your pastor) to pray for you to get results?
d) Can you preach the word with signs and wonders?
e) Can you see rain clouds forming and rain threatening to destroy your programme, and you can decree that the rain not fall until you are done? (late Archbishop Benson Idahosa once did this in a crusade and the rain that started to fall stopped immediately).
f) Can you decree things to happen and they will happen as you decreed? Can you control the elements with your prayer?
g) Can you decree the death of an evil man and it will come to pass?
h) Can you cause strange deliverance to occur by a word of prayer? A man of God I know once prayed a prayer for someone I know and lightening came from the sky, divided the roof of his family house, into the parlour, and created a massive crater that excavated charms and eartheware pots located almost 10 feet into the ground somewhere in Anambra state. This is a confirmed story, not hearsay.

Another I know (not even a popular one, you may call him an unknown pastor) commanded a mad man to be cured and he was very very cured. I saw this myself live in a branch of Assemblies of God church in a program I was invited to attend.

Yes we are anointed, but even occultists and traditionalists know that there is a ranking in the spiritual realm. Agwoturumbe as a native doctor, was far superior to others in one of the semi-fictional novels written by Elechi Amadi.

Similarly, you cannot compare yourself as a Christian to Chris Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo, Enoch Adeboye, Father Ede, Lazarus Muoka, Chuks Ogbueli and others. You cannot tread where they have been. You will be taken out instantly.

Those are the ones known as "the prophets" to whom no harm should be done.

I dont compare myself to any of the ppl you mentioned above neither should you cos they are not my standard.Jesus Christ is the STANDARD. "My pastor Said " and not what the bible says is what is killing the church

bosa1: thanks. please which place of worship do u attend

its not about were he worship, but his clear and diligent understanding of the bible, not my pastor say or daddy say.. U have the bible pray to God for direction and clear understanding of what u read.. And u 2 cld b clear or even clearer in terms of d bible as he is... Shalom..

The write-up may be Ok concerning some mistakes found in the body of Christ.But i don't agree the Op is right in saying the book of Psalms is not applicable to individual believers.

The psalms are the most read books in the bible and it presents the response of the people to the words and acts of God.

The psalms are not systematic theological treatises,they are prophetic and inspired writings of David encounters with God in His private prayers,so CONTEXT is not the issue here,even Paul quoted from it.

The psalms also bears testimony to the strength of the covenant bond between God and his people.Is the Op saying we can't read psalm 51 for example? Is that not applicable to us again?

Not to belittle the OP,but i think he should realise that the books of psalms are extremely important for spiritual well being as they inspire,comfort and encourage the saints because the NT church is called the Tabernacle of David.So the psalm contain vital quantities of prophetic truth that are presently applicable to the NT church.

@Stagger, I am sorry if I differ in ur oponion about wht ds person wrote. Obviously, d article did not castigate any of our fathers in d faith,n u can not fault any sentence in dt article because it is word based...
Now ur response to d article only shows a level of Biblival illiteracy we ve in our generation. To start with, grace is not measured by d number of miracle, it is measured by ur obedience to divine inatruction..I dont know wht u were tought o, but, u dont have to ne a great man of God to raise d dead, stop rain, heal d sick etc, it is a function of gaith n calling...So where will u place those qho never raised d dead yet, translated d scripture to oher language? whht of d missionaries crying to heaven day n night in d arab world, yet with 'few or no soul YEY' to show for it. If u were to gudge d prophets like Isaiah n Ezekiel by ur standard of conversion, they wud be termed failure, cos God told them they will speak to d household of Israel, yet the people will not listen to them. U see, everyone u mentioned in ur 'attack response' can only PRAY, THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD THAT ANSWERS PRAYER. If God chooses not to answer, u will see dt nothing can be done, no Supertar anywhere, It is d office they occupy God is honouring, no big deal. I hve been on d mission field to see dt any little boy or girl can cast out 'strong Demon'...We are all sons and daughters of d most high. Of cause we MUST honour our Pastors wit highest level of respect we cud, but d truth is God has no grandchildren...for ur information, Baba Adeboye, Baba kumuyi, Gbile Akani, Oyedepo, Wale Oke,me(because i know i'm redeemed), whoever u are looking up to in ds kingdom are only Strugling to hear a simple statement frm d mouth of d master: welcome, thou gud n faithful SERVANT'.....or u think ur Drover is better dan ur househelp? its a matter of dutypost....u can raise d dead sir, u can stop d rain....d code is giben already in d scripture....if u ve faith like ds murstad seed....

ObiChiz08: too long...can someone summarize for me??

cant u for once read a whole passage?

Nice write up.

At least if some of our respected preachers preach scriptures out of context, some of 'us' believers will not stop speaking the truth in love. 1 Timothy 4:1-6 already points it out that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons, such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences ve bn seared as with a hot iron..........

6. If u point these out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truth of the faith and of the good teachings that u ve followed.

With wat i av read so far it brings joy 2 heart dat more n more pple r beginin 2 cum 2 light,aldough odas still prefer 2 wallow in darkness.Like i always say it is 'my GOD n i' nutin else....i weep weneva i see sum1 who claims 2 b a 'child of God' wit their holier dan thou attitude hold on 2 d pastor's words(pastor worshippers) as if it is a life line,4getin dat GOD'S WORDS holds much more value#I commend d op n i pray dat THE ALMIGHTY continue 2 giv us understandin n opens our so dat we may 'see'.

N also i av noticed dat sum pple tend 2 compare alot(i.e a pastor/prophet n an ordinary christian wit no title)n it mks me cringe hw shallow sum pple r.....Well,all i can say is may The Light shine' n guide our paths.

Afro connect:
You are a big fool,i guess you aspire to be one of the fake miracle prophets-village goat.
Keep following materialistic seeking,private jet buying pastors and ignore the Bible teachings.money hungry idiot.

Please, child of God, withdraw the bolded please. Thank you.

luluosas:
Please, child of God, withdraw the bolded please. Thank you.

Go and tell all your private jet buying pastors and all those buying bentleys with people's offerings and tithes to withdraw from the deceptive acts,before you come here to tell me to withdraw my statement.
All you Nigerians giving yourselves titles are deceiving yourselves.

stagger:
Similarly, you cannot compare yourself as a Christian to Chris Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo, Enoch Adeboye, Father Ede, Lazarus Muoka, Chuks Ogbueli and others. You cannot tread where they have been. You will be taken out instantly.
Those are the ones known as "the prophets" to whom no harm should be done.

Lest I forget:
Where were the Oyakhilomes, the Oyedepos, the Adeboyes, the Edes, the Moukas, the Ogbuelis and the Others, when brother Daniel was thrown into the lion's den Daniel 6:16, when Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego were cast into live burning fire Daniel 3:23, when Samson killed the lion with bare hands Judges 14:5-6, when David killed a lion and a bear with his bare hands 1 Samuel 17:34-36, when David killed the champion Goliath 1 Samuel 17:48-51, when Esther appeared before King Ahasuerus when it was not according to law Esther 4:16, when Elisha parted Jordan River 2 Kings 2:14, when Peter walked on water Matthew 14:29, when Peter was cast into prison Acts 12:5, when a poisonous viper attacked Paul Acts 28:3-5, when Jonathan went to the garrison of the Philistines 1 Samuel 14:1, when Deborah led the war Judges 4:9, when Philip baptized the eunuch Acts 8:37-38, etc.
Where were they and how many prayers did they offer that caused these people I listed above and many more others, even in our times today when they were doing exploits for the Lord?
One major thing I can adduce from your rantings and ignorance here is that, you are one of the pastor's praise singers and ash lickers fans. Forgive me if my language offend and sounds abusive to you as I don't intend to abuse you in anyway. Thank you.

Chidoks: the
op messed things up by analyzing the scripture carnally.a carnal mind
cannever understand the scriptures!!!op you can never understand the
scriptures until u repent and get baptized in the holyghost.
stop being an instrument in the hands of the devil!!!stop attempting to destroy the church of Christ!!!u are way too small!!!

I do agree with you....this kind of Bible study from OP will eventually destroy so many churches. O am sure that is his aim...cause why would he be quoting the favourite lines of our adored MOG?...and going so far as to show and explain the context of those lines? If our anointed MOG wanted us to know all that they would have explained.OP should know that some things should remain in the dark and he with his carnal mind shouod leave it alone and not be shining light on it for the whole world to see. After reading this thread many would be confused and have doubts in their minds...people are already asking which church OP attends..which tells me that they intend to abandon the church they usually attend...losing a member is not so bad but losing his tithes? We can't allow that to happen.We have to do something about this Infonubia guy ....and his accomplice Theoctopus....or all eyes would be opened, the truth revealed and our church destroyed.

Chidoks: the
op messed things up by analyzing the scripture carnally.a carnal mind
cannever understand the scriptures!!!op you can never understand the
scriptures until u repent and get baptized in the holyghost.
stop being an instrument in the hands of the devil!!!stop attempting to destroy the church of Christ!!!u are way too small!!!

I do agree with you....this kind of Bible study from OP will eventually destroy so many churches. O am sure that is his aim...cause why would he be quoting the favourite lines of our adored MOG?...and going so far as to show and explain the context of those lines? If our anointed MOG wanted us to know all that they would have explained.OP should know that some things should remain in the dark and he with his carnal mind shouod leave it alone and not be shining light on it for the whole world to see. After reading this thread many would be confused and have doubts in their minds...people are already asking which church OP attends..which tells me that they intend to abandon the church they usually attend...losing a member is not so bad but losing his tithes? We can't allow that to happen.We have to do something about this Infonubia guy ....and his accomplice Theoctopus....or all eyes would be opened, the truth revealed and our church destroyed.

Afro connect:
Go and tell all your private jet buying pastors and all those buying bentleys with people's offerings and tithes to withdraw from the deceptive acts,before you come here to tell me to withdraw my statement.
All you Nigerians giving yourselves titles are deceiving yourselves.

My dear, I love you hence my warning to you. See what Jesus Christ said and then think it over, if I am just asking you to withdraw your language for nothing. Thank you.

Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.