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"I Cannot Afford To Be A Christian" by DrummaBoy(m): 3:38pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
The above title is my latest entry to my blog and I'm really surprised at the reaction of many folks to it. I would like to know what nairalanders' view is on it too. For a summary: The article argues that salvation by Jesus is free and that the modern day gospel that call believers to PAY tithes is actually detracting from the power of the gospel and rendering it useless. And that many people would be Christians today if tithing was not made a pre-requsite for being a good Christian. Enjoy the article: “I CANNOT AFFORD TO BE A CHRISTIAN” |
Re: "I Cannot Afford To Be A Christian" by FOLYKAZE(m): 3:42pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
Religion can never reform mankind because religion is slavery. ~Robert Green Ingersoll A church is a place in which gentlemen who have never been to heaven brag about it to persons who will never get there. 2 Likes |
Re: "I Cannot Afford To Be A Christian" by Nobody: 3:50pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
What does reform mean in that context pls? |
Re: "I Cannot Afford To Be A Christian" by FOLYKAZE(m): 3:58pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
idnoble135: What does reform mean in that context pls? Making life better 1 Like |
Re: "I Cannot Afford To Be A Christian" by Nobody: 4:06pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
Edited Very well then. I agree with that quote a hundred percent. Jesus is the answer and not religion. |
Re: "I Cannot Afford To Be A Christian" by PastorKun(m): 4:20pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
@Drummaboy I was wondering what took you so long to post this article on NL. |
Re: "I Cannot Afford To Be A Christian" by DrummaBoy(m): 4:24pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
Pastor Kun: @Drummaboy Abi O. I just thought I should do it now, following the responses I got on my facebook and the fire I am facing in church bc of it right now! |
Re: "I Cannot Afford To Be A Christian" by DrummaBoy(m): 4:29pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
BTW I invite my friends to listen live to a radio presentation from the internet, anytime from 9am, as a popular broadcaster here in Ibadan has invited me for a live interview on my views which I shared with him that "a Christian revolution can fix Nigeria". We may also be discussing the above article. The link to the radio broadcast: http://radio.securenetsystems.net/radio_player_large.cfm?stationCallSign=SPLASHFM Splash FM, Ibadan. 1 Like |
Re: "I Cannot Afford To Be A Christian" by Tgirl4real(f): 8:20pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
hmmm.... m'nbo...mi o ti de. |
Re: "I Cannot Afford To Be A Christian" by UyiIredia(m): 12:55am On Sep 07, 2013 |
@ Drummaboy: Which radio station and what's the frequency so I could manually tune in ? Internet is out of it. @ topic: I certainly agree that tithe isn't compulsory. At a point in my Christianity I thought it was and tithed faithfully, out of my small savings (was 15 ) But I then realised, moreso after coming to Nairaland, that indeed it wasn't explicitly stated save from pastor's who made it out to be necessary as a means for blessing using the Bible as a basis as most would do. I noted also that the early church didn't tithe but theirs was a non-compulsive contribution, which most partook in anyways, to meet their collective needs. I think the church has strayed from the precedent set in Acts. Maybe as a consequence of getting bigger. In any case, truth be told, tithe is good for the financial needs for the church. That need not be used to fraudulently claim the Bible demands 10% (though I think it's a honest mistake by some) for blessing. I didn't see reactions on your blog. |
Re: "I Cannot Afford To Be A Christian" by PastorKun(m): 7:13am On Sep 07, 2013 |
DrummaBoy: Just be firm, I can assure you that you would continue to face a lot of fire and probably make one or two enemies. Personally I have faced a lot of battles based on my stance on tithes but I have always come out victorious. All I do is tell my adversaries to read, interprete and contrast deut 14:22-29 with the false version of tithes practised today. Trust me it always has a sobering effect on tithe mongers as it exposes the folly of the modern church tithing and leaves no room for them to manipulate scripture to justify their false version of tithes. |
Re: "I Cannot Afford To Be A Christian" by alexleo(m): 9:34am On Sep 07, 2013 |
@OP, From the way you people go about this anti-tithe preaching its obvious that your churches are imposing it on members and even preaching it frequently as if the life of the church depends on it. My church doesn't impose it in anyway. Its a freewill thing between you and God so no collection of tithe during any of our services and the preaching of it is once in years. Infact some years ago I use to feel uncomfortable that our church preach tithe once in so many years and I was saying to myself; does it mean they want members to be robbing God ignorantly. That they should be raising the consciousness in people's heart by preaching it once or twice in a year not years. When I confronted the church leadership they said they are not here to preach money. That its between an individual and God and that that's why there is no money collection of any sort in our services. In the sign board of our churches all over the world its written-"no collection, no donation,your spiritual welfare is our concern". My own stand is this- tithers should not impose tithing on people and anti-tithers should also not impose their teachings on people. Let each group present their case and let God guide the individual in deciding which one to accept. For me I still give my tithe and am very ok with it. 1 Like |
Re: "I Cannot Afford To Be A Christian" by Mintayo(m): 12:40pm On Sep 07, 2013 |
alexleo: @OP,You have said it all. Me too still give my tithe and i am very ok with it,infact i don't regret it. On the issue of tithe,ppl should be left alone to decide for themselves,whether they want to pay or not,let God lead them to whatever decision. This is just a small matter,we have 'weightier' issues. Shalom. 1 Like |
Re: "I Cannot Afford To Be A Christian" by PastorKun(m): 12:48pm On Sep 07, 2013 |
Mintayo: Nobody is stopping you from "paying" your tithe. All we are doing is letting people know that contrary to all the lies they have been fed over the years about tithe that tithing is not required of christians. |
Re: "I Cannot Afford To Be A Christian" by Mintayo(m): 12:53pm On Sep 07, 2013 |
Pastor Kun:I don't like discussing this issue but let me ask,by saying tithing is not required of christains,are you saying that christains should not pay tithe at all? |
Re: "I Cannot Afford To Be A Christian" by Chubhie: 1:02pm On Sep 07, 2013 |
So na you be that guy Edmond Obilo interviewed this morning ba? Nice one Bro.... I knew i heard a line of argument that can only come from Nairaland...lol. You did great. |
Re: "I Cannot Afford To Be A Christian" by PastorKun(m): 1:32pm On Sep 07, 2013 |
Mintayo: I am not saying christians should not "pay" tithes if they choose to my grouse is that most people that do are doing so because they have been deceived into believing it is required of them as christians. Preaching mandatory tithes to christians is clear spiritual fraud to me and must not be condoned. As a christian I feel pained that my religion is being used to defraud believers on a global scale. Preachers ought to preach the truth about tithes and let believers know it's not a christian requirement. Believers should be left to determine how much they want to give be it 1%, 5%, 10% or 20% |
Re: "I Cannot Afford To Be A Christian" by alexleo(m): 1:58pm On Sep 07, 2013 |
Truth is that most churches in Nigeria are created basically for the purpose of money making, especially among the new generation churches. That's why they emphasize so much on money, not just tithing but they create various other means of making members to drop heavy pay. A situation where money is mentioned in every church service under whatever name- tithe or offering or sowing seed or whatever is not good at all. 1 Like |
Re: "I Cannot Afford To Be A Christian" by plaetton: 7:51pm On Sep 07, 2013 |
@alexleo Whether mandatory or by choice, any contrived monetary arrangements or obligations between a person and god is nothing but a fraud. If you really think that you need to pay god, I am 100% sure that you don't believe in god. I have been saying it that religious faith rests entirely on doubts. Making payments to god is proof. It is a desperate act of bribery by the giver, and fraud by the receiver. 3 Likes |
Re: "I Cannot Afford To Be A Christian" by alexleo(m): 8:30pm On Sep 07, 2013 |
plaetton: @alexleo You don't believe in God so I have nothing to discuss with you in this matter concerning the household of God. If you want us to discuss about God then you have to believe in him first. Then we start. Thanks. 1 Like |
Re: "I Cannot Afford To Be A Christian" by plaetton: 8:35pm On Sep 07, 2013 |
alexleo: Omg! You crack me up. Do you declare that people have to believe in god first before you start preaching to them? Another case religious decoherence. It happens when religious myth meets the firewall of common sense. |
Re: "I Cannot Afford To Be A Christian" by alexleo(m): 9:40pm On Sep 07, 2013 |
plaetton: If I want to preach to you then tithe is not the first thing we should talk about. The first thing we should talk about is the salvation of your soul which the death of Jesus has made possible for you to receive. John 3:16 says " for God so loved the world that he gave his only son that whosoever believes in him will not perish but have everlasting life. By the death and ressurection of Jesus Christ, you are entitled to obtain mercy from his throne of grace. What Jesus requires from you is to believe that he died for you and that his blood shed on the cross can cleanse you from all sins. This is the first thing you should do. If you humbly pray to Jesus with faith in your heart, you will expeerience his beautiful and loving touch in your heart and your life will be transformed totally. 1 Like |
Re: "I Cannot Afford To Be A Christian" by nora544: 9:47pm On Sep 07, 2013 |
alexleo: Truth is that most churches in Nigeria are created basically for the purpose money making, especially among the new generation churches. That's why they emphasize so much on money, not just tithing but they create various other means of making members to drop heavy pay. A situation where money is mentioned in every church service under whatever name- tithe or offering or sowing seed or whatever is not good at all. yeah thar is tru, i read from a pastor in america he is born in nigeria and he fights also against this new churches in nigeria who only want money and tell aboujt miracles and healing and ....... I read my bible and i know god want a giver and he understand when it is sometimes not possible to give, and to give mean help a person who realy need it not give money to the rich pastors and oveerse... and what names they all have. Nigerians pray to the angel of the light,....... |
Re: "I Cannot Afford To Be A Christian" by Nobody: 10:10pm On Sep 07, 2013 |
Wow! |
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