Assalam alaikum brothers and sisters in Islam,

I have a question about divorce. If a woman knows that her husband lies and is not honest in his dealings with his customers, is this enough justification to leave him?

To make it clearer, the husband takes money for a project from customer A then spends it all on something that could have waited. When customer A calls for his project, the husband spins a tale or two. That's about how much I know.

I also sense that she may not love him as much as she thought she did.

Thank you all

i dont think so, it is not enough justification to leave him, but you have to ask a specialist, i mean sheikh

@Ayinba1: As Salaamualaykum wa Rahmatullahi ta ala Wa Barakatuh.
Divorce is a very terrible thing. But does happen.

What the man is doing is actually against Islam. However, is that a common practice of this man? Has his wife been advicing him and warning him against evils like this? Since we know the importance of marriage, being considered half of the deen, the woman need to be sit her husband down and discuss the issue.

She needs to reminds him of the evils of this type of behaviors. Then if he is not listening, she should go to the parents of the husband to request that they need to talk to the husband against evil. She may not even tell his parents, but to simple encourage them to advice and encourage him to doing good deeds. It will be necessary to hide hisshame, unless everyone knows about it already.

She should never as long as she is married to him, stop advicing him about doing things and make halal money. If all fails then she needs to get the two of thm to talk to a knowledgeable person, who is very pious. It is after she had exhausted every chance to keep the man honest and he is obeying God that she can begin to contemplate divorce.

And if she insist, based on just that she does not love him anymore, she may have to return the whole dowry. Read the case concerning it in Qur'an and ahadith about divorce.

I ask God to make them better people and good family who will love each other for the pleasure of God.

She could beta the gentleman than leave him, may be rusty am sure his got some good in him and hey there are 2 sides to a coin, probably did wat ever to impress the wife, ok she's not hapi about it. As for love well dats anoda kettle of fish

Salamualaykum

Ayinba …that decision of divorce your friend are facing is crucial there are many factors to consider regarding separation/divorce in a family…like property, children, sustenance to the children needs so on and so fort. If the woman has suffering from maltreatment to his husband frequently or being abandon to their children without any support or committing other substantial evil acts it is justifiable to have a divorce. But your friend problem is regarding her husband the use of money of her client and spending those wealth without providing and doing works to the project. You know people they always have problem about Money every individual needs that money to sustain their need and other thing in life. If that is the only problem about money and he can cover up that later on and continue the propose project the problem can be solve if anybody in the family can give him a chance. However, if their is another reason aside from that money, you need adviser/imam or close relative which you can talk and solve this problem that your friend are facing for. Just may opinion

Al’lah know best…

Tell her to divorce the man!The man is a liar and he will always remain one.soon adultery will set in

Salam alaykum,

Based on the above narration about the husband's deceit, it is not enough ground for divorce. Besides, Divorce is one thing that Allah SWA hates. So divorcing the husband is not the solution at all.

Kindly follow the advise of Olabowale. He had said it all. Talk to your husband, report him to his parents and Muslim clerics so that relevant portion of the Holy Quran and Hadith can be quoted to him so that he can be aware of the dire consequences of his actions.

Do be a good wife to your husband and always remember to pray to Allah for His mercies and guidance. Allah knows best.

Ladies are the same everywhere.What you av narrated is far for justification for divorce but if there are other things that are happening the sister shuld let us know so dat we can advice further.
Haabaa! abi d sister has seen someone lieing 2 her dat he will take her 2 space?

Assalam alaykum all,

Thank you for your wonderful responses. I have advised her in similar ways but since I don't live with them, I cannot assess if she has tried enough or not. There is also the issue of keeping things to herself fearing sin of "gossiping". I advise patience to see how things play out but another question is what is the implication on the wife and kids if a man owes a lot of debt that he cannot pay?

And are there other brothers on this forum who do business like the said gentleman? From the little I know, it is unIslamic but then how much do I know?

ayinba1:

Assalam alaykum all,

Thank you for your wonderful responses. I have advised her in similar ways but since I don't live with them, I cannot assess if she has tried enough or not. There is also the issue of keeping things to herself fearing sin of "gossiping". I advise patience to see how things play out but another question is what is the implication on the wife and kids if a man owes a lot of debt that he cannot pay?

And are there other brothers on this forum who do business like the said gentleman? From the little I know, it is unIslamic but then how much do I know?

how can a mole person not be a liar by nature?

Read the writing of a gangster wanna be as he opens his mouth and only filth comes out? And we check his family background and Islam must have made them better before they turn back to keferi because of abject poverty of mind and money that had befallen upon them. Gutter people will alway have gutter come out of them! A good example is what is up there, when he is a number one liar, as he lied against his Creator, calling Him 3 gods. Eron ko lason lason!

ayinba1:

Assalam alaikum brothers and sisters in Islam,

I have a question about divorce. If a woman knows that her husband lies and is not honest in his dealings with his customers, is this enough justification to leave him?

To make it clearer, the husband takes money for a project from customer A then spends it all on something that could have waited. When customer A calls for his project, the husband spins a tale or two. That's about how much I know.

I also sense that she may not love him as much as she thought she did.

Thank you all

Islam condones lying so what exactly has the man done that's unislamic ?
Haven't you read that Islamic code yet?
He only needs to tell her a lie about the fact that he's not lying to customers
Kini big deal ?

olabowale:

@Ayinba1: As Salaamualaykum wa Rahmatullahi ta ala Wa Barakatuh.
Divorce is a very terrible thing. But does happen.

What the man is doing is actually against Islam. However, is that a common practice of this man? Has his wife been advicing him and warning him against evils like this? Since we know the importance of marriage, being considered half of the deen, the woman need to be sit her husband down and discuss the issue.

She needs to reminds him of the evils of this type of behaviors. Then if he is not listening, she should go to the parents of the husband to request that they need to talk to the husband against evil. She may not even tell his parents, but to simple encourage them to advice and encourage him to doing good deeds. It will be necessary to hide hisshame, unless everyone knows about it already.

She should never as long as she is married to him, stop advicing him about doing things and make halal money. If all fails then she needs to get the two of thm to talk to a knowledgeable person, who is very pious. It is after she had exhausted every chance to keep the man honest and he is obeying God that she can begin to contemplate divorce.

And if she insist, based on just that she does not love him anymore, she may have to return the whole dowry. Read the case concerning it in Qur'an and ahadith about divorce.

I ask God to make them better people and good family who will love each other for the pleasure of God.

You forget that many of these Muslim men have multiple wives
He'll just abandon the nagging woman and face the other wives and leave her and her kids .
Isn't that what polygamists do?
Asking the woman to report him to all and sundry won't work.
He is entitled to 4 wives and one nagging woman won't mean a thing to him.
She should get herself a job and take care of her children before she ends up with babiallah plates

@$Osisi: « #15 on: Yesterday at 02:01:04 AM »

You forget that many of these Muslim men have multiple wives
He'll just abandon the nagging woman and face the other wives and leave her and her kids .
Isn't that what polygamists do?

No. Thats what Polygamists do. You know better than that. Relationship like marriage affects the heart, emotion. You never have forgotten you very first boyfriend, remember the Ibadan boy? Ah. Pay attention. No one with good jealousy jsut go "cold Turkey" as marriage is turning on and turning off at will, like the electric switch. A nagging woman may be good for an introvertive or extrovertive man, depending on where his emotion is. $Osisi, you must be a very jealous woman. It will be hard for you to share the things you love. Yet in Islam, Muhammad (AS) said no one truly believes until he or she loves for the brother or sister what they love for themselves.

Asking the woman to report him to all and sundry won't work.
He is entitled to 4 wives and one nagging woman won't mean a thing to him.
She should get herself a job and take care of her children before she ends up with babiallah plates

You are not a man so you do not know the nature of man. A marriage strives even when the wife is not the only spouse in the life of the man. Afterall, the relationship is legal, and its not like the fornication or adultery relationship that even those who do it, cant turn of their emotion away from their partners in this evil enterprise, without the usual hurt of the heart. And not all marriages of Islam ends with the babiAllah plates as you have quipped. My father's marriages none ended up with babiaAllah. And a Christian with one spouse may produce BabiaAllah or babiJesu (lol) children.

You are a trip, $Osisi. You only see Islam as Nigerian religion for the northerners! Until just the other day, no Christianity in my father's bloodline, after they left idolatory many grandparents ago. Islam is entering Igbo land now. Even in your own bloodline. Are you now saying that we will see BabiaAllah in there? Hardly. Islam encourages good work ethics. Should there be a hard worker than a muslim? Hardly, except some choose to abandone this very commandment. Read it in islam.


By the way, even though I am remarried, my exwife is never far from my mind. After 20 yars away from her, I still think about her, afterall she is the mother of my adult children.

olabowale:

@$Osisi: « #15 on: Yesterday at 02:01:04 AM » No. Thats what Polygamists do. You know better than that. Relationship like marriage affects the heart, emotion. You never have forgotten you very first boyfriend, remember the Ibadan boy? Ah. Pay attention. No one with good jealousy jsut go "cold Turkey" as marriage is turning on and turning off at will, like the electric switch. A nagging woman may be good for an introvertive or extrovertive man, depending on where his emotion is. $Osisi, you must be a very jealous woman. It will be hard for you to share the things you love. Yet in Islam, Muhammad (AS) said no one truly believes until he or she loves for the brother or sister what they love for themselves.

You are not a man so you do not know the nature of man. A marriage strives even when the wife is not the only spouse in the life of the man. Afterall, the relationship is legal, and its not like the fornication or adultery relationship that even those who do it, cant turn of their emotion away from their partners in this evil enterprise, without the usual hurt of the heart. And not all marriages of Islam ends with the babiAllah plates as you have quipped. My father's marriages none ended up with babiaAllah. And a Christian with one spouse may produce BabiaAllah or babiJesu (lol) children.

You are a trip, $Osisi. You only see Islam as Nigerian religion for the northerners! Until just the other day, no Christianity in my father's bloodline, after they left idolatory many grandparents ago. Islam is entering Igbo land now. Even in your own bloodline. Are you now saying that we will see BabiaAllah in there? Hardly. Islam encourages good work ethics. Should there be a hard worker than a muslim? Hardly, except some choose to abandone this very commandment. Read it in islam.


By the way, even though I am remarried, my exwife is never far from my mind. After 20 yars away from her, I still think about her, afterall she is the mother of my adult children.

I tried to relate your response to my post and I got confused.
You see why I don't argue on weekends ?
If the highlighted is your call to polygamy, all I can say is Olurun maje!

osisi who is teaching you Yourba like this lol

ThiefOfHearts:

osisi who is teaching your Yourba like this lol

My friend Sikira

$Osisi, you need to read the relevance of your response to the topic, and mine to yours. I guess the weekend with you is full of merriment and, everything is looked through the dilated eyes because of "small amount of wine is good for the stomach ailments." Dont drink and drive or breast feed.

And I hope that Sikira is not as selfish as you, with the Olorun Maje. By the way, you need to ask her how does she say Allah in yoruba word, if olorun is not it, or when she said Olorun, she could have actually said Allah, if she was saying Olorun maje in Arabic? Haaa.

olabowale:

$Osisi, you need to read ,

Read  you r a good man. Shallow heads read different from what is written and understand different from what they read

$osisi:

Islam condones lying so what exactly has the man done that's unislamic ?
Haven't you read that Islamic code yet?

Believe me, it is not Islamic to lie, and that man who lied at you he did a sin but he wanted you off his back, dey got tired

$Osisi forgot that the hallmark of christendom is itself deceitful. Lie that God is 3 persons, yet by some weird condition of understanding becomes 1! I still can not understand that. Each time I hear it, I have a blank stare, or please explain that to me expression, scratching my head, in amazement! Lie that God needs to abandone acceptance of killing of animals, which parts of it are consumed by the offerer to the not fit to eat "one time killing of an innocent man", in this His Only Begotten Son, wile others are just sons and daughters. Or God of the Bible does not have daughters, since no woman killed Him "Aba" in the Bible?

Lies about developing a new religion around a message when the messenger warned about not abandoning the prophets, and laws, etc, before he left. Lie about who the "another Comforter" is when the former was a mere human being. Lies about where nations extend when the messenger himself said that he was only sent to the ost sheep of the house of Israel. There are so many lies, that I just do not know how a person will not say "big deal e ti po ju!"

Isnt this thread about divorce?

Why cant people ever stay on topic, what does "3 gods" have to do with the ayinba's question?

Reported for offtopic.

ThiefOfHearts:

Isnt this thread about divorce?

Why cant people ever stay on topic, what does "3 gods" have to do with the ayinba's question?

Reported for offtopic.

You're asking olabowole to stick to topic?

$Osisi: Sometimes, you carry the weekend to weekdays. Is there a diffrenece, really? You mut have been fooling me.