Dear brothers and sisters,

Is forced divorced valid in Islam?

For instance when parents forced their son to divorce his wife and the son refused only for the parents to write the divorce letter and send it to the wife's father informing him that his daughter has been divorced by the husband and the parents told thier son to call his father inlaw to tell him that he has abide by what his parents did.

mmb:
Dear brothers and sisters,

Is forced divorced valid in Islam?

For instance when parents forced their son to divorce his wife and the son refused only for the parents to write the divorce letter and send it to the wife's father informing him that his daughter has been divorced by the husband.
And the parents told thier son to call his father inlaw to tell him that he has abide by what his parents did.

@bolded Did he call

It doesn't happen.the best is for the parents to orally tell him to divorce her and not to act as the husband's agent as illustrtaed.If he the husband is fit and proper and truly understands the virtues,benefits and wisdom behind listening and being obedient to his parents he may act.

It happened to one of the sons of prophet Ibrahim A.S. check history well and read.

Mutuwa:
It doesn't happen.the best is for the parents to orally tell him to divorce her and not to act as the husband's agent as illustrtaed.If he the husband is fit and proper and truly understands the virtues,benefits and wisdom behind listening and being obedient to his parents he may act.

It happened to one of the sons of prophet Ibrahim A.S. check history well and read.

we shouldnt be comparing ourselves with a noble Prophet of Allah or companions of our beloved Prophet. They were people of attested character unlike people of nowadays who may do something just to exert their authorities or for selfish reasons.

mmb:
we shouldnt be comparing ourselves with a noble Prophet of Allah or companions of our beloved Prophet. They were people of attested character unlike people of nowadays who may do something just to exert their authorities or for selfish reasons.

This is not a comparison plz..its a precedent.

Mutuwa:
It doesn't happen.the best is for the parents to orally tell him to divorce her and not to act as the husband's agent as illustrtaed.If he the husband is fit and proper and truly understands the virtues,benefits and wisdom behind listening and being obedient to his parents he may act.
It happened to one of the sons of prophet Ibrahim A.S. check history well and read.

First of all, the man is an adult and should reject such a proposal if it is done for selfish reasons. It would be an injustice on his wife to do so.

Obeying parents can only be within the limits of Allah.

All this is grammar. No one can divorce on behalf of the husband, unless implicitly appointed by the husband to deliver the message of divorce. Which type of chaos is this event teaching? The worst they can do is to advice their son to divorce his wife. At this moment, she remains his wife unless he confirms that he has divorced her, and based on the timing of her menstrual purity and their last sexual contact, etc.

The case of the prophet Ibrahim is very different. Parents of nowadays can force their son or daughter to divorce on some imagined slight or a worldly issue, or even because 'alfa' said so.

tbaba1234:


First of all, the man is an adult and should reject such a proposal if it is done for selfish reasons. It would be an injustice on his wife to do so.

Obeying parents can only be within the limits of Allah.

So who is disputing that?

mmb: we shouldnt be comparing ourselves with a noble Prophet of Allah or companions of our beloved Prophet. They were people of attested character unlike people of nowadays who may do something just to exert their authorities or for selfish reasons.

tbaba1234: First of all, the man is an adult and should reject such a proposal if it is done for selfish reasons. It would be an injustice on his wife to do so.
Obeying parents can only be within the limits of Allah.

Abuamam: All this is grammar. No one can divorce on behalf of the husband, unless implicitly appointed by the husband to deliver the message of divorce. Which type of chaos is this event teaching? The worst they can do is to advice their son to divorce his wife. At this moment, she remains his wife unless he confirms that he has divorced her, and based on the timing of her menstrual purity and their last sexual contact, etc.

The case of the prophet Ibrahim is very different. Parents of nowadays can force their son or daughter to divorce on some imagined slight or a worldly issue, or even because 'alfa' said so.

You need to look at this;

Jami` at-Tirmidhi » The Book on Divorce and Li'an
Hadith 16

Ibn Umar narrated:
"I had a wife whom I loved, but my father disliked her, so he ordered me to divorce her but I refused. I mentioned that to the Prophet and he said: 'O Abdullah bin Umar! Divorce your wife.'"

http://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/13

usermane:






You need to look at this;



http://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/13

I know the hadith. What's your point exactly?

More views pls.

It was narrated from 'Abdur-Rahman that:

A man's father or mother - Shu'bah (one of the namators was not sure) - ordered him to divorce his wife, and he made a vow that he would free one hundred slaves if he did that. He came to Abu Darda' while he was praying the Duha, and he was making his prayer lengthy, and he prayed between Zuhr and 'Asr. Then he asked him and Abu Darda' said: "Fulfill your vow and honor your parents." Abu Ad-Darda' said: "I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say: '(Honoring) one's father may lead one to enter through the best of the gates of Paradise; so take care of your parents, (it is so, whether you take care of them) or not. "

Sunan Ibn Majah » The Book of Divorce

That is another tradition of yours that may compel the man in question to divorce his wife. In all honesty, how on earth can you claim to follow sunnah and yet you give your brother an opinion that contradict sunnah?

usermane:

Sunan Ibn Majah » The Book of Divorce

That is another tradition of yours that may compel the man in question to divorce his wife. In all honesty, how on earth can you claim to follow sunnah and yet you give your brother an opinion that contradict sunnah?

usermane; you truly have a poor grasp of derivation of Islamic law. Begone.

@op. Here is a fatwa on parents coercing their sons into divorce.

" Praise be to Allaah.
According to the most correct opinion, it is not permissible to divorce a woman
without a valid reason, because this is unjust to the woman and causes the
blessing of marriage to be lost for no reason, and the break up of a family with
which Allaah had blessed the sons of Adam, as Allaah says (interpretation of the
meaning):
“And among His Signs is this, that He created for you wives from among
yourselves, that you may find repose in them, and He has put between you
affection and mercy. Verily, in that are indeed signs for a people who
reflect” [al-Room 30:21]
Obedience to one's parents should only be with regard to things that are right
and good, that Allaah and His Messenger love. It is not permissible to obey them
with regard to something that Allaah and His Messenger have forbidden, as the
Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There is no obedience
to anyone if it involves disobedience towards Allaah; obedience is only with regard
to what is right and good.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari and Muslim from Ali, may
Allaah be pleased with him).
And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning);
“But if they (both) strive with you to make you join in worship with Me others that
of which you have no knowledge, then obey them not; but behave with them in the
world kindly, and follow the path of him who turns to Me in repentance and in
obedience” [Luqmaan 31:15]
No kafaarah is required from either the mother or the father, apart from tawbah
(repentance) and istighfaar (seeking forgiveness); they should also try to put
matters right and bring people together again. If they do this, they will have a
reward (from Allaah). Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“There is no good in most of their secret talks save (in) him who orders Sadaqah
(charity in Allaah’s Cause), or Ma‘roof (Islâmic Monotheism and all the good and
righteous deeds which Allaah has ordained), or conciliation between mankind; and
he who does this, seeking the good Pleasure of Allaah, We shall give him a great
reward” [al-Nisa’ 4:114]
And Allaah knows best." Sheikh al-Munajjid. www.islamqa.info/en/6315

Note that the parents cannot divorce on their son's behalf without his consent. This fatwa talks only about the degree to which he should be influenced in the matter by his parents.

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Abuamam:

usermane; you truly have a poor grasp of derivation of Islamic law. Begone.
@op. Here is a fatwa on parents coercing their sons into divorce.
" Praise be to Allaah.
According to the most correct opinion, it is not permissible to divorce a woman
without a valid reason, because this is unjust to the woman and causes the
blessing of marriage to be lost for no reason, and the break up of a family with
which Allaah had blessed the sons of Adam, as Allaah says (interpretation of the
meaning):
“And among His Signs is this, that He created for you wives from among
yourselves, that you may find repose in them, and He has put between you
affection and mercy. Verily, in that are indeed signs for a people who
reflect” [al-Room 30:21]
Obedience to one's parents should only be with regard to things that are right
and good, that Allaah and His Messenger love. It is not permissible to obey them
with regard to something that Allaah and His Messenger have forbidden, as the
Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There is no obedience
to anyone if it involves disobedience towards Allaah; obedience is only with regard
to what is right and good.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari and Muslim from Ali, may
Allaah be pleased with him).
And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning);
“But if they (both) strive with you to make you join in worship with Me others that
of which you have no knowledge, then obey them not; but behave with them in the
world kindly, and follow the path of him who turns to Me in repentance and in
obedience” [Luqmaan 31:15]
No kafaarah is required from either the mother or the father, apart from tawbah
(repentance) and istighfaar (seeking forgiveness); they should also try to put
matters right and bring people together again. If they do this, they will have a
reward (from Allaah). Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“There is no good in most of their secret talks save (in) him who orders Sadaqah
(charity in Allaah’s Cause), or Ma‘roof (Islâmic Monotheism and all the good and
righteous deeds which Allaah has ordained), or conciliation between mankind; and
he who does this, seeking the good Pleasure of Allaah, We shall give him a great
reward” [al-Nisa’ 4:114]
And Allaah knows best." Sheikh al-Munajjid. www.islamqa.info/en/6315
Note that the parents cannot divorce on their son's behalf without his consent. This fatwa talks only about the degree to which he should be influenced in the matter by his parents.

Seconded! A man's parents can only advise him to divorce his wife, not them writing a divorce letter to the woman or her family. In this case, the man is to follow the procedure according to sharia when divorcing his wife. Even though he calls the father in law to say he has abided by his parents advice, he still has to call his wife and inform her of his decision. without that, the marriage is still valid?

Smh.... So now ina don get another way to stop people from commenting in u guys thread... By attesting to all dos stuff won't change d person i am... Btw y is it dat u guys dont allow criticism

Not valid. Never ever valid.

I think the story of Umar bn Khattab and His Son Abdullah will clear the doubts In Sha Allah

One day Umar told his son(Abdullah) to divorce his wife but the son refused and Umar reported him to the prophet(alaihi solaat wa salaam), the prophet ask the son(Abdllah) to obey his father(Umar)
Abdullah bin 'Umar divorced the wife(whom he loves) while she was menstruating during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle . 'Umar bin Al-Khattab asked Allah's Apostle about that. Allah's Apostle said, "Order him (your son) to take her back and keep her till she is clean and then to wait till she gets her next period and becomes clean again, whereupon, if he wishes to keep her, he can do so, and if he wishes to divorce her he can divorce her before having sexual intercourse with her; and that is the prescribed period which Allah has fixed for the women meant to be divorced." Bukhari

The Ulamah will say: Umar ordered his son to do so because he noticed something of benefit to his son from divorcing the woman

Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about the ruling on a man divorcing his wife if his father tells him to do that. He said:

If the father tells his son to divorce his wife, one of the following two scenarios must apply:

1 – Where the father gives a legitimate reason why he should divorce her and separate from her, such as saying, Divorce your wife because her behaviour is suspicious, such as she flirts with men or goes out to gatherings that are not decent and so on. In this case the son should agree and divorce her, because he is not telling her to divorce her on the basis of a whim, rather that is to protect his son’s honour from being besmirched, so he should divorce her.

2 – Where the father tells his son to divorce his wife because the son loves her, but the father feels jealous of his son’s love for her and the mother is more jealous, because many mothers, when they see that their son loves his wife, feel very jealous, as if the son’s wife is a co-wife and rival. We ask Allaah to keep us safe and sound. In this case the son does not have to divorce his wife if his father or mother tells her to divorce her. Rather he should be tactful with them and keep his wife, and he should try to convince them with kind words until they are persuaded that she should stay with him, especially if the wife is religiously committed and has a good attitude.

Imam Ahmad (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about this very issue. A man came and said: “My father is telling me to divorce my wife.” Imam Ahmad said to him: “Do not divorce her.” He said: “Didn’t the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) tell Ibn ‘Umar to divorce his wife when ‘Umar told him to do that?” He said: “Is your father like ‘Umar?”

If the father quotes evidence to his son and says, “O my son, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar to divorce his wife when his father ‘Umar told him to do that,” the response to that is: “Are you like ‘Umar?” But you should speak kindly and gently, and say that ‘Umar saw something which indicated that it was in his son’s interests to divorce his wife. This is the answer to this question which comes up frequently.

Al-Fataawa al-Jaami’ah li’l-Mar’ah al-Muslimah, 2/671.

I ask Allah's protection on myself and entire Muslim. Ameen

Allah said in suratul Nisa'I or so that we should respect and show love to our parents as long as they dnt ask u to disobey Allah ur lord. In this vein, the man can oblige if he has done everytin possible in other to convince the parents against it. Ma question is,wat is the wife's offense?

Mutuwa:


This is not a comparison plz..its a precedent.

The noble prophets are epitome of example for us, reading true their life history can profer guidiance to our situation.

mmb:
we shouldnt be comparing ourselves with a noble Prophet of Allah or companions of our beloved Prophet. They were people of attested character unlike people of nowadays who may do something just to exert their authorities or for selfish reasons.

bynat:
Allah said in suratul Nisa'I or so that we should respect and show love to our parents as long as they dnt ask u to disobey Allah ur lord. In this vein, the man can oblige if he has done everytin possible in other to convince the parents against it. Ma question is,wat is the wife's offense?

Oppressing your wife by divorcing her wrongfully constitutes disobedience to Allah. Allah does not like oppression. So if your parents do not have a valid reason, then there is no obligation to divorce her. You inform them, with much respect, that you do not wish to oppress an innocent muslimah. Allahu a'lam.

PS, just saw a better response by Yazach. Refer to that one pls.

Bro Yazach. Who authored the fatawa jami'a lil mar'ah almuslimah, pls?

hollaytan:
The noble prophets are epitome of example for us, reading true their life history can profer guidiance to our situation.

in this context, what I mean is nowadys some parents order thier sons to divorce wives for material consideration and jealosy and not because of religion consideration.

mmb:
Dear brothers and sisters,

Is forced divorced valid in Islam?

For instance when parents forced their son to divorce his wife and the son refused only for the parents to write the divorce letter and send it to the wife's father informing him that his daughter has been divorced by the husband and the parents told thier son to call his father inlaw to tell him that he has abide by what his parents did.

No its not valid, divorce agreement should be between the couples alone no other person should be involved unless the parents have valid reason.

Abuamam:



Oppressing your wife by divorcing her wrongfully constitutes disobedience to Allah. Allah does not like oppression. So if your parents do not have a valid reason, then there is no obligation to divorce her. You inform them, with much respect, that you do not wish to oppress an innocent muslimah. Allahu a'lam.

PS, just saw a better response by Yazach. Refer to that one pls.

Bro Yazach. Who authored the fatawa jami'a lil mar'ah almuslimah, pls?

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