When someone said precolonial igbos didn't have beans was when I knew I had to quit this thread...

BTW, how does one prove that 'akara' is a more 'advanced' food than 'okpa'?

Is there some sort of food test to prove or disprove that?

shymexx: ^^^^Let me keep living in denial till what's left of their culture finally erodes.

Imagine Odumchi claiming that the red and white wooly hat isn't European lol.

Still don't know when Igboland started having winter season.

So you couldn't respond to my simple questions but now have the effrontery to reappear piggybacking on Alj Harem? Lol. You clearly haven't been here [on Nairaland] long enough to know that Alj Harem is among those characters who are not to be taken seriously.

The fact that this guy thinks beans (which originated in Africa and Asia) never existed in Igboland prior to the advent of Europeans kills me even more. I won't even bother.

This is clearly a case of one blind man leading another.

I personally don't think the igbo culture is weak, they're just not teaching the children born outside of igboland the language and customs. Can one say that the Yoruba culture is weak because of some parents who decide to speak only English to their children outside of Nigeria? No. Same applies here.

odumchi:
So you couldn't respond to my simple questions but now have the effrontery to reappear piggybacking on Alj Harem? Lol. You clearly haven't been here [on Nairaland] long enough to know that Alj Harem is among those characters who are not to be taken seriously.

The fact that this guy thinks beans (which originated in Africa and Asia) never existed in Igboland prior to the advent of Europeans kills me even more. I won't even bother.

This is clearly a case of one blind man leading another.

What's there to answer in your questions? All I saw was an emotions-laden post not worthy of a response - and if I had responded, it would have led to a shouting match.

Anyway, it's better to leave you in your denial than argue against it. And I'd rather debate Igbo culture with Ezeagu than you, to be honest. At least Ezeagu tries as much as possible to post without unnecessary emotions.

Radoillo: When someone said precolonial igbos didn't have beans was when I knew I had to quit this thread...

BTW, how does one prove that 'akara' is a more 'advanced' food than 'okpa'?

Is there some sort of food test to prove or disprove that?

Let's not even entertain this idea of "advanced food". Hapu ha.

Again self deceit is the worst thing one can do to himself. Do you know why ? People lie to their kids ? It is pride, low self esteem

Now to the topic. As Andre said, cultures are dynamic. Todays China is different from that 100 years ago. Todays Hausa has a lot of fulani, yoruba culture in them. Todays yorubas have a lot of Hausa and fulani even edo and fons in them. These groups are not in denial but have realised the truth and as all cultures, they have embraced other aspect of other cultures..

These has lead me to the question why likes of odumchi are in denial ? Low self esteem ? Lack of knowledge maybe ? Or even ignorance.passed down from generations.( no insults just facts)

Even the yorubas know that abgada is from fulani babban riga. Fact just modified

Now aspect that WERE NEVER IN IGBO CULTURES are now added such as the red winter hat, akara food, moi moi food, ewedu, egusi food, etc

I have heard a lot of people saying egusi, all forms of beans are igbo food and I just laugh . It's funny really. I think rather than argue on the internet go to your village and ask your old people for the truth. I hope they don't lie

Btw it does not mean the culture you borrowed from is better than yours. Fulanis are not better than Yoruba, nupe and Hausa but we learnt a lot from them and vise versa

shymexx:

What's there to answer in your questions? All I saw was an emotions-laden post not worthy of a response - and if I had responded, it would have led to a shouting match.

Anyway, it's better to leave you in your denial than argue against it. And I'd rather debate Igbo culture with Ezeagu than you, to be honest. At least Ezeagu tries as much as possible to post without unnecessary emotions.

The point is that you can't debate what you don't know; you can only hope to learn from those who know. Therefore you can't debate Igbo culture with me [or with Ezeagu].

alj harem: Btw it does not mean the culture you borrowed from is better than yours. Fulanis are not better than Yoruba, nupe and Hausa but we learnt a lot from them and vise versa

Alj Harem, like I said earlier, I don't have time to come and discuss things that don't merit discussion. Neither you nor Shymexx possess any authority to speak authoritatively on anything regarding Igbo people and their culture, tradition and social habits.

Inyi anula (have you heard)?

This topic was wasn't well thought-out, and that led to an unnecessary (and all things considered, off-topic) argument with no measurable result. Anyway, I see the point that shymexx was trying to make, but in my opinion, it is not a very good one. For the most part, it's not his fault. It is simply the Igbo context. It seems as though people that want to discuss Igbo history and/or culture are often polarized to one of two extremes: 1) They try to focus on the Igbo holistically, which in turn does not leave much to be discussed (due to the fact that Igbo did not exist as a single polity, but rather a multitude of fully independent polities) or 2) They attempt to characterize or define aspects of the Igbo context by focusing on specific groups, which also doesn't leave much to be discussed (since applicability on a pan-Igbo scale becomes very limited, and in some cases non-existent).

Shymexx's point leans heavily toward the first extreme, and that isn't a bad thing. The problem is that, whether or not he realizes, his attempt to explain the "inferiority" of Igbo culture, consequently de-legitimizing it, in turn de-legitimizes the cultures of the various communities, which did in fact develop into independent, well-entrenched and dynamic polities in their own right. So to use the lack of an established central polity to as justification for qualifying Igbo culture[s] as "inferior" is where he is misguided. The misguidedness may just be because he is largely unfamiliar with the Igbo context (an assertion which seems very plausible, considering). Long story short, the basis of his point is valid, but the picture he attempts to paint with it is not.

Also, Aljharem is often not to be taken too seriously in discussions such as this.

Igbo kwenu