Joshthefirst: why blame God.

But listen to yourself man. Think. You hate God then, but you blame him for spontaneous abortion and use it to justify mass murder and intentional abortion?!

I weep for you. I weep for the child denied a chance to live. I weep for the child encouraged in godlessness.

OLAADEGBU:

May God have mercy on us.

david_hume:

Wow, I'm really touched by your display of love towards these unborn children.
Btw, how many HIV/AIDS orphaned babies have you and your brethren adopted so far?

OLAADEGBU:

Christians advocate for adoption instead of abortion.

david_hume:

I guess this is one situation where you don't want to lead by example...smh

OLAADEGBU:

None. You haven't answered the offences of millions of unborn babies that are still being murdered today.

OLAADEGBU:

God's grace is receiving what we don't deserve and God's mercy is not receiving what we deserve.

God is righteous and has justly sentenced man to death, so that we received the punishment we deserve. However, God exercised grace because of His love for us and took that punishment upon Himself as the payment for our sin.

God took pleasure in all of His creation (Revelation 4:11), but He loved people most of all. He uses the deterioration of the created universe to show us the consequence of our sin. If we did not experience the consequences of our rebellion against our Creator, we would never understand that we need salvation from our sin, and we would never receive His offer of mercy for our sin.

Most people easily recognise that there is a problem in the world. We need to realise that there is One who has overcome this problem of death and suffering, and this Person is Jesus Christ. AiG.

OLAADEGBU: Questions and objections:

"Ray. I feel sorry for you that you think your God of infinite love and wisdom could be so narrow-minded as to condemn two consenting adults to death for getting married. Your God seems to mirror your beliefs so perfectly always. That's convenient." Leonie Trent

Thank you for your sorrow. But I don't need it. You should rather have sorrow for yourself and others who are unsaved. God has condemned all of humanity to death and damnation (not just homosexuals). Perhaps you have noticed that ten out of ten die. But because He is rich in mercy He will grant everlasting life to all who repent and trust alone in Jesus. See www.needGod.com for details.

Kay 17:

Good! Consider your own statement here

And consider this:


With all you have clearly said above, all of man without any prejudice is condemned, all of man is sin and that man is deservedly punished. Yet in a stark contradiction you claim babies are not sinners. Yet babies are not aliens but humans also.

Therefore your ideology about the sins of man is not just clearly wrong but contradictory and a ploy to justify unjustifiable suffering.

Kay 17:

Christianity you have offered has nothing of substance but mere promises which do not go beyond what they are promises! The death and not so obvious resurrection do not self evidently prove its worth.

Kay 17:

Also, man despite being wicked, selfish and self centered, can at times be duly sympathetic, and compassionate, can offer a helping hand, can be gracious and grateful, passionate. Thus Christianity does not show this bright side of man, rather indulges in promoting the dark aspects through which Christianity seeks relevance.

OLAADEGBU:

You don't have to jump the gun here, what you need to do is to distinguish between actual and original sin. Let me ask you a few questions to buttress my point.

1. If babies are not sinners, as you have presumed, how could they die since death is a punishment for sin?

2. How could two sinful parents produce a sinless baby?

3. Do parents need to teach their babies how to be selfish and sinful?

4. Is sin part of their nature that is exhibited at an early age or not?

Answering these questions and more will give you a better understanding of the fact that even though a baby doesn't commit actual sins it is a sinner nevertheless because of the original sin. Their sinful flesh is part of them just as it is part of their parents'.



Christianity teaches that all mankind are sinners, inherently from Adam, individually by choice, and we are therefore subject to God's wrath and condemnation. Whether God could be angry on account of original sin or actual sin is another matter altogether.



The fact that man can show signs of goodness only backs up what the Bible teaches that man was originally created in the image of God even though that image has now been soiled by Adam's sin. We practically have Adam's image until we regain the full image of Christ by being born again.

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned....Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men to justification of life" (Romans 5:12, 18)

Kay 17:

1. In your view plants and trees are sinners by the mere fact they died?! It is a ridiculous argument to accept that. Even the most gentle birds die.

2. How could two doctors have a lawyer as child?! People's actions and social roles are not part and parcel of their beings! Neither do they pass their actions per se to their children!

3. & 4. To believe there is a predisposed condition within a child, which distorts and removes the child's free will hence making him unable to act freely and rather towards sin, destroys the entire justification for punishment of sin!

Just as we can't punish a blind man, or punish an insane man because their conditions affect their decisions! And it would be unfair to punish people who are wired to sin, when they cannot help it!

OLAADEGBU:

"Here is one question that has only been answered with silence: Why did God allow sin to be inheritable?" Alan Byers

He allowed sin to be inherited because it was His plan to disallow it through the new birth. The moment we repent and trust in the Savior, God forgives our sins (which are many) gives us an inheritance in Christ, and grants us the gift of everlasting life. If we prefer to stay in our sins we inherit death and ultimately Hell. Now you have your answer.

Watch => www.EvolutionVsGod.com

Kay 17:

Hmmm. Amazing! Sins could have had a natural death just as Adam had and the entire world would be free of it. However, God in his infinite immeasurable wisdom decided to elongate the lifespan of sin, in order to find a more dramatic solution to it!

Olaadegbu, this is becoming a ridiculous exercise, most of your arguments are hopelessly unconvincing and boring. Coped with fact that you seem distracted by other things.

So see you later *unfollows*

OLAADEGBU:

More objections and answers:

"But He has the power to complete erase Hell-- yet He doesn't. If I had the power to stop someone from being tortured, I would. That's the difference between me and your God."

The difference between you and God is that you are a very tiny dying dot (who is blind to the meaning of absolute Justice) in an infinite universe, and God is its eternal ever-present and holy Creator.

Watch www.EvolutionVsGod.com

RationalDude: What's with all this freedom to sin brouhaha?
What exactly does sin mean?
Is something only a sin when it offends your god? (yes, i typed 'g' in lowercase, now shoot me)

OLAADEGBU:

Today's Tips for Atheists

How to say "I don't know," and still sound intelligent:

1. What is the purpose of man’s existence?

"We don't know at the moment, but science will find out one day."

2. What was in the beginning?

"We don't know at the moment, but science will find out one day."

3. What happens after death?

"We don't know at the moment, but science will find out one day."

4. Why is there male and female in 1.4 million different kinds of animals, fish, birds, and insects?

"We don't know at the moment, but science will find out one day."

5. Why does every animal (except for a few snails) bring forth after its own kind?

"We don't know at the moment, but science will find out one day."

Note how Scriptures speaks to the blind ignorance of the ungodly, and how they have given themselves to a dulled conscience and sexual uncleanness:

"Their moral understanding is darkened and their reasoning is beclouded. [They are] alienated (estranged, self-banished) from the life of God [with no share in it; this is] because of the ignorance (the want of knowledge and perception, the willful blindness) that is deep-seated in them, due to their hardness of heart [to the insensitiveness of their moral nature]. In their spiritual apathy they have become callous and past feeling and reckless and have abandoned themselves [a prey] to unbridled sensuality, eager and greedy to indulge in every form of impurity [that their depraved desires may suggest and demand]" (Ephesians 4:18-19, Amplified Bible).

Bidam: "Their moral understanding is darkened and their reasoning is beclouded. [They are] alienated (estranged, self-banished) from the life of God [with no share in it; this is] because of the ignorance (the want of knowledge and perception, the willful blindness) that is deep-seated in them, due to their hardness of heart [to the insensitiveness of their moral nature]. In their spiritual apathy they have become callous and past feeling and reckless and have abandoned themselves [a prey] to unbridled sensuality, eager and greedy to indulge in every form of impurity [that their depraved desires may suggest and demand]" (Ephesians 4:18-19, Amplified Bible)

God bless Apostle Paul,this scripture says it all.

OLAADEGBU:

There is no assumption in my claim that the God almighty created all things and I can use the laws of logic and the laws of science to prove this:

There are only three possibilities from where the universe can come from. By way of elimination we will arrive at the scientific evidence of the origin of the universe which took just 6 days.

(1). The universe created itself; or

(2). The universe has always existed, or

(3). The universe was created.

1. The universe created itself:

Can something create itself? Can nothing create something? The answer to these is an absolute No. We all know that something cannot create itself and nothing can't create something. From Latin we have the phrase "ex nihilo, nihil fit" meaning "from nothing, nothing comes." It also violates the law of cause and effect, that says for every effect there must be a cause. The effect can't be greater than the cause and nothing cannot be greater than something. Therefore, based on the laws of science and logic, the universe couldn't have created itself. That leaves us with options 2 and 3.

2. The univese has always existed:

Lets go to the 2nd law of thermodynamics that basically teaches that "the whole universe is losing usable energy for doing usable work." This means that the usable energy in this universe is wearing down. The universe as a whole is losing energy. In other words, molecules as a whole are slowing down.

Therefore, if this universe was eternal we will be in what is called a "virtual heat death." This means that there will be virtually no molecular movement. Everything would have lost its available heat energy for doing work. Therefore, the universe cannot be eternal, it must have had a beginning. The theory that the universe has always existed or is eternal has to be false based on the law of science and logic, another speculation gone with the air. This leaves us with only one possibility based on science. Which is that:

3. The universe was created:

"In the Beginning God created the heaven and the earth." -- Genesis 1:1

Science confirms the biblical verse that in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth as we have just shown. With this verse we see that God is outside time. He is eternal, with no beginning or end. He also knows all things, being infinitely intelligent. To recognise His handiwork, you should be able to know how to recognise the evidence of the works of His intelligence. This is simple.

When I look at a building, how do I know that there was a builder? I can't see him, hear him, touch, smell or taste him. The evidence of a builder is the building I'm looking at. In other words, the building is the proof positive that there was a builder. The building is the product of the intelligence of the builder. Living things are also evidence of design. Wouldn't it be logical to assume that if man's highly intelligent brain designed the computer, then the human brain was also the product of design?

There is nothing illogical or unscientific about an Eternal Being who has always existed. Nobody created the infinite God. He is the Self-Existent One, the great "I AM THAT I AM" of the Bible. He is outside time because He created time. Everything that has a beginning requires a cause. The universe has a beginning and thus requires a cause. But the almighty God has no beginning since He is beyond time. Therefore, the almighty God does not need a cause.

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