Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil -

Whoever continues to sin belongs to the Devil, because the Devil has sinned from the very beginning. The Son of God appeared for this very reason, to destroy what the Devil had done.
(1Jo 3:8 GNB)

God would be a dictator if he was real

Reverend,

I was wondering what you could possibly be saying in this thread. Mess of course.

God is real and when He ruled over the Israelites, he gave them judges and levites, to make decisions about matters that concerned the people.

No dictator can be accused of running his country, the way God ran the Israelites before they demanded a King (who God warned them about the King going to turn out to be a dictator or tyrant.)

The end of the world is nigh - watch and pray.
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Drusilla:

Reverend,

I was wondering what you could possibly be saying in this thread. Mess of course.

God is real and when He ruled over the Israelites, he gave them judges and levites, to make decisions about matters that concerned the people.

No dictator can be accused of running his country, the way God ran the Israelites before they demanded a King (who God warned them about the King going to turn out to be a dictator or tyrant.)

God is a real mess, but seeing as he is not real it is not a problem

That God is the ultimate power in the whole universe. And that without Him, there is nothing. The Bible says He created every thing from nothing

For most who would be reading this today, tomorrow is another Sunday. Remember the word in Hebrews. 10:23-25 --

Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering;
(for he is faithful that promised

And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is;
but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.


God bless all.

Till 2moro

sing hymn 213 when the sermon is long or pretend to be possessed.

What?!

This is a must read for everybody. : THINGS ARE HAPPENING!!!!! (GOD HAVE MERCY)

This story gave me goose skin,

very scary, God forbid,

did this happen in Nigeria ?

Just though I should share this with you

Dear All,

This is a testimony that will inspire you and spur you to trusting God more. It goes to prove that God is our only source of protection and security. Running to Him is the only surety we have in this wicked world.



Read and appreciate God's unchanging love.



This testimony was shared in Faith Tabernacle Canaan Land , On Father's Day Celebration (June 17, 2007)



Be blessed.



MY TESTIMONY



I give this testimony to the glory of God and for these 3 reasons

1. To proof that God answer prayers.

2. The word of God is power

3. There is reward for dedicated service that comes from a sincere heart.



On Friday the 25th day of May 2007, as I drive through Gowon Estate, just after RCCG (Dominion Parish) to the left, I was about to make a call when I sited a team of police men (6 of them) on check point duty.



I stopped the car just some meters from them, turn off the engine and started calling. I was just dialing the number when one of them came from the passenger’s side to accuse me of making phone call while driving. I told him I wasn’t and that this is the reason why I parked the car. He accused me of lying. This got me angry and I stepped out of the car, close the door and both of us started arguing.



I stood by the driver’s side of the car raging and ranting and telling the police man what I feel about the police operation. One of them, a corporal came from behind me and touched my shoulder saying “we are not fighting now”. Immediately, I became weak. As much as I tried talking, my mouth was not responding. By this time, I looked around and noticed what these police men were doing, but I could do nothing about the situation.



After a while I was instructed to enter the car and drive. By this time, 5 vehicles were already arrested, 1 jeep and 4 cars (my car inclusive). A lady (one of the captives) was asked to sit in the front seat of my car, while the two police men sat at the backseat of the car. Again, I wanted to complain but again the police man touched my shoulder. This he kept doing anytime he observes I was trying to come out of his hold.



This continued until we got to Ayobo road. Between Abesan Estate gate and Ayobo road junction, I knew I was driving but remembered nothing. Then when I saw a small Canaan land bus approaching, I was coming out of their grip and the man behind me touched me again so I drove past the bus. My car stopped twice. The first time I started it and we continued, as we approached the bridge along Ayobo – Ota road, the car stopped for the second time. As I tried starting the car, that was the last thing I knew.



By the time I regained consciousness, I saw myself in a thick forest with a lot of people sitting down on the ground. We were close to 2000. There was no house, no light, just people. The boy to my left introduced himself as Jonathan and his younger brother John. He said he noticed I was praying while unconscious until I became conscious. He enquired the church I attend and I said Winner’s chapel. He said he worship at RCCG in Lokoja, Kogi State . He said he was taking his brother to Osun State University to sit for the entrance examination before they found themselves in this place.



Then he brought out his handset and I collected it. I noticed there was a bar of signal on it. So I was able to call my wife secretly and inform her of what was happening. I called back the second time and specifically instructed her to go and inform our father in the Lord, Bishop Oyedepo and also Pastor Victor (the Music director) and that what I need now is prayers. I told her that this is not time to start crying.



We were at this location from the day I made the call (which I later learnt was Monday 28th May, 2007) for about six days. Doughnut, meat-pie, sachet water, juice were given to those who have gained full consciousness. I refused to take any of the things they brought and also instructed the two brothers and another man with whom I pray not to.



While there, I remembered this was my 10th year as an in-house consultant to the ministry. I then reminded God that this not the reward of service. I also reminded him of my service in church, with the choir and then I said, NO WAY, I CAN’T END UP LIKE THIS. The 4th day after I made the call, they brought bottled juice and because we were famished, I asked my prayer partners to take it. I prayed over it nullifying every power inside. I pleaded the blood of Jesus over it , and then we took the juice.



On the 5th day after I made the call, they came for me. It has become a routine. Every 40 to 50 minutes, they come to pick between 70 to 100 people and none ever returned. But I told the other three with whom I pray, “see ya, and I followed them.” I was priviledged to be amongst the people in front. We trekked for close to 45 minutes. It was as if we were going down a slope through a tunnel, with a wall of earth/grass on both sides. Then, we arrived in front of a gate under the ground. The gate was opened to reveal a neatly painted building, well lit. The painting was hypnotic. The doors, ceiling, wall and floor of the building has the same colour.



Together with 15 others, I was ushered into the first room. I was the seventh person. While others moved along the long unending corridor. By now, the only thing that kept replaying itself on my mind was mummy Oyedepo’s audio book, “RESCUED FROM DESTRUCTION” which I was privileged to edit. It started from the very beginning as soon as I stepped into the underground building.



In the room, there was this non reflective mirror on the wall and one after the other, we were instructed to step in front of the mirror. As each person steps in front of the mirror, in 3 to 4 seconds, his or her image appears and the next thing is we hear the person’s name. The only thing I can’t tell is who was calling the names. Then the person’s image on the mirror will be covered with blood. The person will then be directed to go through another door, different from the door we came in from. What happens next I do not know.



When it was my turn, I stepped forward and positioned myself like others. I stood in front of the mirror for about 4 minutes but my image did not appear in the mirror. After sometime, it appeared and I saw my self inside the mirror. I must state here that I was not scared at all. What kept ringing in my ears was mama’s voice reading the audio version of her book.



Then, after another 3 minutes of my image appearing, mummy Oyedepo’s voice sounded loud and clear that even the captors heard it, “GOD IS TOO FAITHFUL TO FAIL, HE IS DEPENDABLE, HE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH.” The voice came three times and then, the mirror cracked into bits and pieces and dropped in a heap on the floor like a broken wind screen.



Immediately, there was confusion. The remaining 8 people behind me were moved out of the room and I was left there alone weak in the flesh but with mummy’s voice still sounding strong in my spirit man.



After a while 5 of our captors into the room and one of them started asking, who are you? What is your name? From where are you? Who is your father? To all these questions, I gave no answer. I was just starring. They all went out again and later one of them came back to take me into another room. This time, the new room was empty. No chair, no bed, nothing, just me.



I was in this room for a long time. No food, no water, no sun, no moon, no star, no time, just me. So I cannot say for how long I remained in the room. Then, one day, I was just staring at the other end of the room when I saw something like dew, like a smoke and Bishop Oyedepo stepped out of it. He then said: “Peter, have you seen mummy?” I said no daddy. He then said, mummy (Rev, Mrs. Oyedepo) is looking for you, she has an assignment for you. Then he gave me the instruction saying; “MAKE SURE YOU SEE HER”. He said this 3 times and each time I replied, yes daddy. Then he disappeared. By this time my strength returned and I was fully conscious.



Not quiet 5 minutes after my encounter with papa, the door to the room I was flung open and standing right in front of me was a huge man, fair in complexion, has a bald head, with beards. With him were between 15 and 20 people. All of them wore red gowns.



I was on my feet as soon as the door opened. And a question and answer session started:

MAN: who are you?

ME: and I boldly declared, I am a child of God

MAN: All of us are children of God

ME: There are some that are more real than others

MAN: What is your name?

ME: I am a child of God

MAN: From where?

ME: Canaan Land

MAN: Where?

ME: Ota.

Then he said,

MAN: A man came to warn me that if I don’t let you go, In seven days, who is this man?

ME: He is my father

MAN: What is his name?

ME: BISHOP DAVID OYEDEPO



At this point, the man turned to his men and said, “I instructed you people to mind the kind of people you bring here. Take this man away from this place and return anything you took from him. He said “I don’t want anyone disturbing our operation here”.



He was about leaving when I said, I am not the only person, we are 4. He then asked where are the rest and I replied I don’t know. He then instructed them to release the 4 of us.



As God will have it, as I stepped out of the room, coming into the underground building are the 3 boys I left outside. I identified them and they were brought to me.



The next thing I knew again was I saw us outside the thick forest in the cold. How we got there is still a mystery. What happened between the time I identified them and the time we got to that position, I do not know. I then asked my partners to start reciting psalm 23, while I recited psalm 91. Our hands were tied together behind us before we were left in the middle of the thick forest.



As we continued in our recitations, I felt a little light shine on my face from afar. I stood my ground and asked my friends to continue. Then a voice sounded in Yoruba language “WHO ARE THOSE?” We did not answer. The light came nearer and asked the question the second time. The 4th boy with us then started running away, leaving only 3 of us. Again, the question was asked the 3rd time and by this time, it was very close to me so I opened my eyes and saw a figure dressed like a hunter in front of me. He then said in Yoruba language “OH THIS PEOPLE AGAIN?” He loosened the rope on our hands, and asked us to follow him. When we tried calling on the boy that ran off, the hunter said we should leave him alone.



So, the hunter from that day led us through the forest for 6 nights. As much as I tried to see his face, I could not. He smelt like incense and his voice was like someone inside a tunnel. He only came at night and when it is dawn, he points to the right where a hut awaits us. The 2nd night, he prepared sandals made of leaf and roots for us. By the 3rd night, the 3rd boy was so weak and hungry that he could hardly move. Then the boy said, “I am hungry” the hunter replied us saying, “YOU DID NOT ASK”.



On saying this, he reached inside his bag and brought out a warm piece of roasted yam for each of us. On the 4th and 5th nights, he gave us mouth burning piece of yam each time. So we continued until we got to the main road on the 6th night and the hunter pointed to the left and said “this way is to Ibadan ” and pointing to the right side he said, “this way is to Akure”. He then pointed to his left for the first time in 6 days and asked us to remain in the hut until the next morning. I made sure the strange hunters’ instructions were carried out to the letter.



I had started off into the hut when I remembered the piece of yam for that night. I turned round to request and alas, the hunter had disappeared. We turn on the hand set to discover network, so I was able to call my wife, though we did not know our location then.



By the next morning, we found out hat turning to the right the signal on the hand set increases, we proceeded towards that direction until we arrived at EKEJI-ILE, OSUN STATE . We went to Ayo Babalola University , told them our story and they assisted us.



I bless the name of the Lord for confirming the words of His servant in my life and for the fulfillment of prophecies from the mouth of His servant. Glory to God.

Praise God!

Success without limit(4)

If this story is actually through, it is worth giving God praise but let us not be fooled.

1. We have no Father but God.
2. No Bishop - Oyedepo or Pope or dead Saints or Peter or Paul can save you. Only Jesus can. Again if the story is true - It was God that saved the man. God that sent an Angel in a form - Oyedepo - for the man to believe. All glory MUST be given to God not Oyedepo or his church.

That being said, remember that one must always find himself in an assembly of believers with a good spiritual elders. Remember what Paul said to Timothy

Watch yourself and watch your teaching. Keep on doing these things, because if you do, you will save both yourself and those who hear you.
(1Ti 4:16 GNB)

I learnt that God created us all in his own image but only loves the isrealis, so if you want his blessing you have to apply for isreali citizenship. (I'll bless those who bless my people isreal and curse those who curse them.)
I learnt that God hates the arabs, thats why he is always supporting the isrealis to fuc.k them up.

I leant that God loves me as a Nigerian even though I never have had to apply for Israeli citisenship.

John 3:16 -- "God so loved the world. ."

Gal. 3:28 -- "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."



@somze, thank you for expressing my thoughts.

somze:

If this story is actually through, it is worth giving God praise but let us not be fooled.

1. We have no Father but God.
2. No Bishop - Oyedepo or Pope or dead Saints or Peter or Paul can save you. Only Jesus can. Again if the story is true - It was God that saved the man. God that sent an Angel in a form - Oyedepo - for the man to believe. All glory MUST be given to God not Oyedepo or his church.

That being said, remember that one must always find himself in an assembly of believers with a good spiritual elders. Remember what Paul said to Timothy

No one is saying all glory shld be given to OYEDEPO.I think d impression is we thank God for his servant and for using him to intercede for us.


OYEDEPO is called dt cnt be questioned.

9ja4eva:

No one is saying all glory shld be given to OYEDEPO.

I am saying NO GLORY should be given to him or his church.

I think d impression is we thank God for his servant and for using him to intercede for us.

No problem, still the warning is needed.

OYEDEPO is called dt cnt be questioned

I don't know where this came from. How come you did not mention this about Paul and Peter, Did you fail to see i mentioned those too?

I think you need to read and understand posts instead of jumping to the defensive. There is nothing to defend since i made no attacks whatsoever. Notice Stimilus comments.

Well, I can thank God for one thing: if the testimony is as real as the testifying wants us to believe, I was a little confused as well in this line:

MAN:                       who are you?

ME:                          and I boldly declared, I am a child of God

MAN:                       All of us are children of God

ME:                          There are some that are more real than others

MAN:                       What is your name?

ME:                          I am a child of God

MAN:                       From where?
. . .

MAN:                       A man came to warn me that if I don’t let you go, In seven days, who is this man?

ME:                          He is my father

MAN:                       What is his name?

ME:                          BISHOP DAVID OYEDEPO

I'm not trying to raise an issue here; but e get as e be. Isn't it rather that God is our Father?

I copied out the whole story and shared it with one of my friends to read. She kindly pointed out that so many things happen in Naija these days and we should give all the glory to God. And when I asked what she thought about my enquiry, she smiled and pointed me to 1 Cor. 4:15 - "For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel."

I was coming from Matt. 23:9 - "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. "

But after my friend asked me to reflect deeply on the verse she gave, it just made me smile in retrun.

What do you guys think about it, though?


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@somze, I already clicked before I saw yours. In hindsight, I think your outline is rather helpful to me with regards the above enquiry to my friend. Here's what again I find helpful in yours:

somze:

1. We have no Father but God.
2. No Bishop - Oyedepo or Pope or dead Saints or Peter or Paul can save you. Only Jesus can. Again if the story is true - It was God that saved the man. God that sent an Angel in a form - Oyedepo - for the man to believe. All glory MUST be given to God not Oyedepo or his church.

Thanks

Esss:

I learnt that God created us all in his own image but only loves the isrealis, so if you want his blessing you have to apply for isreali citizenship. (I'll bless those who bless my people isreal and curse those who curse them.)
I learnt that God hates the arabs, thats why he is always supporting the isrealis to fuc.k them up.

For God so loved the world (including the Arabs) . . .
I am a part of the commonwealth of Isreal even without a Jewish passport.

learnt that converting people to xtianity aint by force , its only the ones that the father as choosen, stil mising the point?

somze:

I am saying NO GLORY should be given to him or his church.
No problem, still the warning is needed.
I don't know where this came from. How come you did not mention this about Paul and Peter, Did you fail to see i mentioned those too?

I think you need to read and understand posts instead of jumping to the defensive. There is nothing to defend since i made no attacks whatsoever. Notice Stimilus comments.

Guy no be fight.Well d man even says it himself dt all d glory shld be given to God nt him

For d 3rd quote i no dey talk to u so which levels na?What do u mean stimilus comments?

Maybe u forgetting its a forum.Abeg Abeg i no dey operate for dis kain wahala

hey gys, there is something my pastor said in church today that am really confused about. the topic was what u say when u pray. he started with different kind of prayer, u know prayer of thanks, prayer request.
he said in a prayer request we shouldnt say "may God's will be done" in anything that we are asking. instaed we just make oour request thruogh prayer. he said if we said that, God's will may not be our request, cos when jesus was at the garden of gethsemene praying. u guys know how he said if it is possible let the cup pas sover me, n all those stuff. but because he said let God's will be done in the end of his prayer thats why he actually died. but if he hadnt said that, but just make his request he wouldn't have died, his main request would have been honoured. but i personally think that saying that is giving God respect which he deserves considering the fact that he is the one who is gonnna answer the prayer.

@ 9ja4eva
I hope i did not sound harsh in my post, it was not my intention at all. I just wanted some things clearified. Its ok from this angle.

Peace!

@Acid Drop
Your Pastor is in error. He's just pouring out to you what a doctrine, called Word of Faith, teaches. You are however correct in that assertion you made. Our prayers must be subject to God's will, and not only that but our words and lifestyle.
Below are other quotes that will help you:

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
(Mat 7:21 ESV)

Now listen to me, you that say, "Today or tomorrow we will travel to a certain city, where we will stay a year and go into business and make a lot of money." You don't even know what your life tomorrow will be! You are like a puff of smoke, which appears for a moment and then disappears. What you should say is this: "If the Lord is willing, we will live and do this or that." But now you are proud, and you boast; all such boasting is wrong.
(Jas 4:13-16 GNB)

Most of where Jesus talks about asking and praying, he always mentioned or implied we ask in His name, we remain in Him or His word remains in us. . . (can explain more if you dont understand)

Now like you've said even Christ prayed that way so how is it that we should not pray that way?

thanks somze.

I got that 'testimony' in a mail from my brother; let me quote the rejoinder he had as regards it.

'Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits,whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world'
(1 John 4:1)

As much as I do not doubt the supremacy of God's power or His limitless capacity to save and deliver His own, it is important as Christians to investigate what we hear or read to find out if it is in line with the Holy Scriptures. A lot of fraud disguised as miracles from God is being perpetrated out there. Besides, some unscrupulous individuals take advantage of the ignorance and gullibility of many. One must therefore be careful. It is interesting that the author kept referring to papa/mama and daddy/mummy Oyedepo during his unhappy ordeal. There was even a period he heard Mama Oyedepo's recitation of one of her books. We are not told that he remembered or recited any Bible verse. We are even told that his daddy in the Lord appeared to him and asked him about 'mummy' Oyedepo. Is this scriptural? Is God glorified here or man?

', Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief'' (Mark 9:24). May God help us all.

Best wishes,

How to worship God and to fellowship with him.

@somze and ricadelide,

I was just wondering about the above 'testimony', and the question that came to mind was: whatever happened to "the name above all names"?

Well i did not want to sound offensive at first because it may lead to some arguments.

The new trend is that testimonies bring people to the knowledge of the pastor or the church not to the knowledge of God.

Consider the quote below

He destroyed the pagan places of worship, broke the stone pillars, and cut down the images of the goddess Asherah. He also broke in pieces the bronze snake that Moses had made, which was called Nehushtan. Up to that time the people of Israel had burned incense in its honor.
(2Ki 18:4 GNB)

Here Hezekiah in his rehabilitation exercise of Israel, decided to destroy something that the Great Moses had built.

Why? Cuz people were now using it as an object for worship and transgressing against God. This same bronze serpent wa the one God told Moses to build in order to save the Israelis from being wiped out by poisonous serpents. ( Numbers 21) but now had become an abomination.

Christians too have placed pastors and churches in this position. Now instead of praying and believing in God we go to the pastor. We can not go to any church except ours. Assembly of believers has changed to The-church-were-i-worship. I can say more but again i'm picking my words to be as nice as possible.

We need to destroy that serpent - not the church or the pastor but the mentality, the reasoning, the attitude, the behaviour.

We need to turn back to God.

In the same way the Spirit also comes to help us, weak as we are. For we do not know how we ought to pray; the Spirit himself pleads with God for us in groans that words cannot express. And God, who sees into our hearts, knows what the thought of the Spirit is; because the Spirit pleads with God on behalf of his people and in accordance with his will.
(Rom 8:26-27 GNB)

We do not know how to pray the way we should, it is the Holy Spirit that helps us. Speaking in Tongues may just be one of the easiest ways for that to occur since most Christians rarely understand what they are saying – they have no gift of interpretation. Most times however, we – those that speak in tongues – just blab, (thank God for his mercies).

You see, Speaking in Tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit. Not a compulsory gift but a good one to have nonetheless. It is especially good for you. Now don’t get me wrong, they are much more wonderful gifts some of which are compulsory but this one is an advantage to whoever possesses it. This is simple because you talk to God about the correct things for once and save your time from selfish and unnecessary gibberish. You can pray just about any prayer in tongues and also sing and praise God in it too.

Pentecostalism, today, may have obscured the true meaning and value of tongue. We see it being used wrongly or even falsely as the case may be. For example, people pray in tongues with the microphone, congregations are told to start praying in tongues when the prayer is on, New Believers are forced to say anything in faith and we assume the gibberish is speaking in tongues. Again, thank God for his mercies.

It’s a wonder that a Pastor can not tell his congregation to just start prophesying, or words of knowledge or miracle or healing yet they can tell them to just start speaking in tongues. Excuse me, but I thought tongues were a gift from the Holy Spirit and he decides when to give you utterance?

They were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to talk in other languages, as the Spirit enabled them to speak.
(Act 2:4 GNB)

Now don’t get me wrong, it’s possible for a matured Christian to almost speak in tongues when needed. Just like matured prophets of old always knew how to inquire and get answers from God, just like Paul knew exactly God’s answer when he asked for healing – NO – in that case.

Again some people say speaking in tongues are just speaking other languages. My mom and some other people say this include even heavenly languages. Now I do not have the answer for that one. It seems to me that both sides have good arguments.

Another group says all these sort of gifts have in fact ceased and are no longer in existence since the bible became complete. Seeing the amount of false miracles and all, sometimes I agree with these ones, other times I speak in Tongues and know beyond any doubt that I am being given utterances by the Holy Spirit.

Like Paul, I wish that we all spoke in tongues, though in an assembly and some times for your self prophecy seems the better option. Nevertheless, do not condemn or forbid speaking in tongues. It is one of the tools the Holy Spirit uses to help our infirmities.

Sorry for my long post.

Have a wonderful day.

Lol @somze,

Don't apologise about its length - it was a good read.