Stop talking bull

AbdH:

Human right in the west = right to be homosexual,
While in Islam, your right is determined by what Allah has decreed to be halal or haram.

This is why American is a free country and all you Nigerians (Muslims or Christians) pay heavily to goto these countries.. I have never heard that the middle east is flooded with Nigerian Muslims. If you think the idea of the west is bad for Islam... I think the middle east is the right place for you.... Or perhaps a country like Syria! Lol

tintingz: Lol... So what happens to the war fought by David, solomon, moses, Joshua the battle of jericho to mention the few, all in the command of Jehova in the bible.

Did they runaway or turn the other cheek?

bro..d war being fought by all dis pple waz nt religous,d whole world faught wars in d stone nd bronze age 2 spread dier territory..bt it was nt recorded in d bible dat anybody fought anywar 2 spread christainity!,d war fought by d israelites was 100% political....nd lastly,solomon dint fight any war ooo

hopeyemih:

bro..d war being fought by all dis pple waz nt religous,d whole world faught wars in d stone nd bronze age 2 spread dier territory..bt it was nt recorded in d bible dat anybody fought anywar 2 spread christainity!,d war fought by d israelites was 100% political....nd lastly,solomon dint fight any war ooo

It does not have to be recorded in the Bible that Christianity was spread through war because there was nothing like Christianity in the lives of all of the prophets except Mohammad (SAW). Read about the crusaders.

AbdH:

It does not have to be recorded in the Bible that Christianity was spread through war because there was nothing like Christianity in the lives of all of the prophets except Mohammad (SAW). Read about the crusaders.

what is this one saying

Kairoseki77: This is the scariest thing I have EVER READ, and I am sure that millions of Muslims will disagree with this nonsense.

Any author that says that Human Rights, Freedom, and Equality are un-Islamic should be ignored. An author that compares those things with Satanism should be jailed!

Is this a Boko Haram pamphlet, or am I on NL?

What kind of person thinks the concept of freedom is "from the West"? It is a basic human concept that has existed long before Western Civilization. The same with Human Rights and Democracy. Right here in Naija, there are tribes like the Igbo that were democratic before ever setting eyes on a white person.

Treating women well is also not a western idea. It is called civilization and common human decency. In many African cultures women were leaders, warriors (Dahomey), and respected members of the community long before we met the West.

If anything, this nutjob is trying to impose ARAB VALUES on modern Muslims. In Saudi Arabia women are protesting right now to get the right to drive. They cannot leave the house without a male chaperone. If they are raped, they are punished. NONE OF THAT is African in any way.

The fact that Maclatunji would directly support something that is almost word for word what Boko Haram says is their reason for killing (rejection of democracy for Muslims, and that Western values are "haram" ) is very, very troubling.

What I have just read is the kind of thing that someone will SAY Muslims believe, before you call them a bigot.

Most NL'ers won't read the orignal post, just these comments. I beg you, read the passage, even though it is long. It will open your eyes to the Islamic mentality.

This mindset is what leads to extremism.

Note - Today we learned that the Kenyan hostages were tortured before being killed. Children were found stuffed in refrigerators with knives still inside them. Men were hanging from hooks in the ceiling. Women were brutalized and strangled.

Instead of Muslims standing up to REJECT that psychotic behavior, you are here preaching against democracy and freedom. Very scary times we live in.

I wished I can like this more than once. The state intelligence should please monitor this, it may give birth to extremism. Nairaland should not be publishing something like this.

10x u made my day. Keep it up

Sissie:

That's it, in Islam there's no debating it.
So if the other half of the government who also use human right as an excuse to support gay marriage, it already proves their's difference in their own version of human rights and ours. That's just one of the numerous examples, another is indecent dressing, of what is against Islam, their are also other examples that Islam isn't against.

In Islam our rights have been decreed, the limits are stated clearly.

Gay issues or right? Let me tell islamic nation is nt left out of this mess..Turkey is abt to join EU, Gay right must be enshrined in their constitution b4 beign granted membership..karachi,pakistan is one of biggest gay centre with open gay-bar go n read 'Bbc/features & analysis-party scene' on 27,Aug,2013..Gay right is a global mess nt west issues

AbdH:

It does not have to be recorded in the Bible that Christianity was spread through war because there was nothing like Christianity in the lives of all of the prophets except Mohammad (SAW). Read about the crusaders.

Crusaders? What is d caused of crusadering? Is it nt muslim jihadist occupation of holy land of Jerusalem causing displacment n expulsion of jews n xtains,destroying monument threathening to attack Europe prompting Vatican to intervene ..don't just talk of crusaders without learning d causes n provocator of d conflicts..ur leader(pbuh) provoked 'infidel' by telling muslim to pay pilgrimage to 'infidel' held territory in kabba..learn history,boy

Why do u ppu always tend towards poisoning d mind of ppu against d west n anything dt speaks freedom especially for women eh? if given any little opportunity, d writer of ds nonsense will prefer to migrate his entire family to dt same west instead of saudi or iraq...all of u will still prefer to go to d west wot all ds load of hatered in ur mind.... if anything happen outside d shore of nigeria, ds same kind of writer will lead ppu to protest against d west right here in nigeria n in d proccess destroy things again...wht is d difference between ds write up n boko haram belief sef.. yet they will come out to deny boko haram every day.....How can u love bondage...if it is woman dt was given opportunity in Islam to marry 4 husbands at a time, am sure men wud have found solution to such bondage of religion...keep on spreading hatered against d west whole quetly looking for a way to go and enjoy their ideal over there....

Islam, always in the news! Is it a crime to be in the same planet with som1 with a different view on how to worship God! Everywhere u turn Muslims are up and Arnd plotting jihad! U shld b more concerned about innocent life's taking In the name of Islam , instead of arguing banters! Wat Christ sake what has road got to do with religion

I believe maclatunji and co will prefer settling down, with their families, in the US and EUROPE instead of Saudi arabia, pakistan, kuwait, oman, Egypt, Moroco etc yet they will come here and criticise the west.

The highest pple migrating to Europe and austrialia are pple frm muslim countries, y because they enjoy the freedom and opportunities those countries have to offer. Let all this Islamic hypocricy stop jare.

tbaba1234: The biggest lie the West ever created, was convincing the world that its values were universal and 'neutral'. But unbeknownst to most people, its values are based upon its own particular worldview, which is quite distinct and antithetical to most of the world's (original) belief/law systems. Thus like how the U.S. promotes the dollar, the West printed out its intellectual currency, and asked everyone to use it as a universal standard for moral and
intellectual transactions. But like how the dollar is linked to US economy, so Western values are linked to their beliefs and worldview. And if ones fails, so does the other.

It is for this reason that, the 'values' of (the Western conception of) 'Human Right's', 'Freedom', 'Democracy', 'Democratic legitimacy' [unless you vote for an Islamic party], and (the Western concept of) 'Equality' - are so ubiquitous in global usage. Now anywhere you travel, you can intone these 'sacred' and 'holy' words, and instantly gain some moral currency.

After the ravages of colonialism upon the Muslim mind, many Muslims have taken to dangerously using this currency to explain Islam and demand justice for themselves.

This is because the Western worldview [or intellectual bank] highly esteems those words, and many Muslims have succumbed to the use of them, in order to placate the demands of Western societies. So we see Muslims use words like Democracy, Secularism, Feminism, Humanism and Freedom, not only to demand justice for themselves, but also as descriptions for aspects of Islam!

Such Muslims obliviously and naively use words impregnated with foreign and blatantly un-Islamic concepts, with the excuse (they tell themselves) that if they assign them a different meaning to the patiently obvious meanings they have, they will somehow be 'ok' to use.

Some even pre-fix the words with 'Islamic' in order to render them some how acceptable, like 'Islamic Democracy', or 'Islamic Feminism'. As the American saying goes, 'You can clean up a pig, put a ribbon on it's tail, spray it with perfume, but it is still a pig."

The Prophet Muhammed (saaw) is narrated to have ordered Muslims not to drink using wine cups, even if Muslims were to drink water by them. This is simply because of the connotations that wine cups have. Yet some Muslims are happy to use words that have connotations antithetical to Islam! This would be the equivalent of not just using wine cups, but drinking wine along with it - but calling it 'not-wine' [The Prophet Muhammed (saaw) is narrated to also have prophesied that some Muslims would literally do that too!].

So we see Muslims saying 'well, when I use the word democracy, I mean choosing the leaders, not denying God's right to rule'. This is despite the fact that the term 'demos kratos' means ultimate sovereignty and law making by the people, not from God. The simple response is to tell these Muslims that insist upon using the word, 'ok - but then EQUALLY you should be also happy to call for 'Theocracy 'too, since it means rule by God, which is something you claim you don't deny'. Only the truly innocent of mind, and sincere of heart would agree with you.

Muslims say 'Feminism just means rights for women' - despite the fact that all legal systems have given rights for women [the disputes are only in what those rights are]. Of course, Feminism actually [claims to] mean the absolute equality and identicality of the legal treatment of men and women (negating all gender roles), the independence of women from all responsibility and duty by dint of their gender, and gender sectarianism. The simple response is to tell these Muslims that insist upon using the word, 'ok - but then EQUALLY you should be also happy to call for 'Masculinism' too, since it means 'rights for men', which you surely believe in too right? Only the truly innocent of mind, and sincere of heart would agree with you.

Some Muslims say that 'Secularism' just means 'politics in the material world like building roads, making taps, education and schools etc'. They then claim that the historical Islamic Caliphate was 'secular', and the Prophet (saaw)'s rule was secular!!. However, Secularism actually means the separation of religious concerns, beliefs and worldviews from politics. This means the negation of all laws based upon morality that isn't rooted in physical considerations like physical harm/benefit. This means, infidelity, publicly insulting religious beliefs, dealing in interest banking, sexual exploitation of women, and drinking of alcohol all become legal.

No Secularist would accept or call for a Secular constitution that says 'if any fall into dispute, refer it to Allah and his messenger for judgment', yet this was the constitution of Madinah!

Building roads, taps, schools etc, are not neutral acts, or non-religious acts, but are based upon the motivation of the ideology that demands these things to be built. If a government built a road because it believed it is God's Will, then THAT IS NOT A SECULAR ACTION.

Besides, no government builds a road just because it is natural to do so. For thousands and thousands of years, most governments never built roads [except being states like the Romans, or the Islamic Caliphate]. A government would build a road either because they possess a worldview (e.g. like Communism, Liberalism, or Islam) that demands the state should ensure people's safety and efficiency of travel that would maximise some value the ideology reveres. Although a government may build a road, because everyone else is doing it [i.e. 'its the modern thing to do'], or to facilitate its own Army to travel quickly [i.e. as the romans did]. The simple response is to tell these Muslims that insist upon using the word, 'ok - but then EQUALLY you should be also happy to call for, and use the phrase, 'Religious government', because according to you, Religious government would surely call for the same things e.g. roads, taps, schools, bridges etc wouldn't it? Again, Only the truly innocent of mind, and sincere of heart would agree with you.

Some Muslims call for Humanism claiming it means 'only look after the rights of Humans'. But this too is naive and false. For Humanism refers to a human centric worldview, where Humans and 'this life' are the primary concern of thought, and not anything else, including God. That's why virtually all Humanists today are Atheists. If Atheism is their creed (aqeedah), then Humanism is the religion (deen) of this creed. The simple response is to tell these Muslims that insist upon using the word, 'ok - but then EQUALLY you should be also happy to use the word 'Divine Law' since it would also call for rights for humans, albeit under a God centred worldview. Again, Only the truly innocent of mind, and sincere of heart would agree with you.

Of course, if these Muslims were truly sincere in their use of these terms, 'as long as they give them an 'acceptable' meaning', then lets see if they would also be happy to use the following terms, along with their new 'meanings' [i.e. excuses]:

Islamic Polytheism - 'it just means' belief in a God, with many names

'Islamic' Fascism - 'it just means' strength through unity'

'Islamic' Communism - 'It just means' respecting community values

'Islamic' Atheism - 'It just means' negating false idols, not negating the One transcendent God

'Islamic' Idolatry - 'It just means' honouring Muslim heroes from the present and past, as role models and celebrity 'idols', but not in the literal sense

'Islamic' Racism - 'It just means' that we honour the the race of Adam (as)

'Islamic' Satanism - 'It just means' that we believe in a concept of the Devil, and guard against his works'

'Islamic' Trinitarianism - 'Is just means' that we believe in three aspects of God, the Tawheed al Rububiyah, Tawheed Uluhiyyah and Asma' wa siffat.

Of course, all these new terms are absurd, and we'd laugh at anyone who'd be so foolish as to use them, despite attributing to them seemingly benign explanations. But this are no different then using 'Islamic Feminism', 'Islamic Secularism', 'Islamic Democracy' and 'Islamic Humanism' - which are all equally absurd for a Muslim to use, and equally derisory.

As Muslims, we must reject the false intellectual currency we are told to use. We should not use borrowed words which have a widely understood, and unIslamic meaning, but rather we should use words which are supplied to us from Islam itself, or at the very least (for non-Arabic speakers) the best translations of linguistic equivalents in foreign languages e.g. Deen = 'worldview/Ideology', Aqeedah = 'Creed'. This is because if Muslims use Western words which are loaded with a particular meaning, these then become a prelude to believing in Western concepts. This is how the West spreads its ideology. It is equivalent of teaching Arab Christians to use the word 'Tawheed' to describe their monotheism. After a generation or two, none of them would believe in the Trinity was literal anymore!

So let us give back to the West their intellectual currency, for surely it bares the stamp of their own worldview upon it, and we should keep for ourselves our own intellectual currency supplied to us by God in the Quran and Sunnah. This is the key to keeping our beliefs pure, and ensuring we derive correct intellectual conceptions from our own worldview without distortion.

As famously (allegedly) narrated of Jesus in the New Testament (Mark 12:15-17):

'Should we pay or shouldn't we?" But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. "Why are you trying to trap me?" he asked. "Bring me a denarius and let me look at it."They brought the coin, and he asked them, "Whose image is this? And whose inscription?" "Caesar's," they replied. Then Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." And they were amazed at him'.

-Abdullah Al Andalusi
https://www.facebook.com/abdullah.andalusi/posts/10151887975277517

I wonder why this post was allowed here. Religion and way of life is a choice, stop using christianity and western world as a back to your selfish criticism. We christian preach and leave the people to decide. You can force the horse to the strem but can't force it to drink. There is never I time I reach a muslim thread and won't see christian ands western world. Its not a religious competition Mr man. Let the people be the judge of their decisions, and just write what you feel and leave christianity and western worlds. They didn't come to the mosque and drag muslims to use dollar.

HOW AND WHY DID THIS GET TO FRONT PAGE? IS NAIRALAND PROMOTING HATE?

May Allah reward the writer. This will surely wake us all from our slumbers and ignorance about our deen as prophet said in his Hadith that "whoever act like some group has become part of them" May Allah forgive us all and May he give us the taofeek to act righteously (Amen)