flexshop:

The basis is beyond human understanding. Science is an evolving field, maybe one day we would understand or never.in the year 1402, did anyone ever believe that we would be able to clone lifeforms from stem cells?

flexshop:

That I was born through the normal route does it mean others are not born via ceaserian section?

Mr Troll: this is a non answer and a pathetic attempt at Special Pleading. Are you guys waiting for science to make a revolutionary discovery, of babies forming without sperms so that y'all can then jump in and claim it?

FOLYKAZE:

All the same, two tango.

You got no point.

Try again

FOLYKAZE:

We are on the same page. Get me right, I said holy spirit as depicted in the bible.

God in the bible wrestle with man.... Concept of God there is wrong

Holy spirit eat meat and drink wine....

Holy spirit hold swords

God walk on his foot...

Whatever the bible depict or call holy spirit is not my problem.....it either Joseph or Holy spirit had s.ex with Mary

flexshop: nah, I was giving you an example on how one can make an error that translates to fallacy of generalization.that was actually the point. It must not be the way we think it should be.an Angel must not rump up mary before she concieves?

Rossikk: Any idio.t can write false claims in a book and say ''it is beyond human understanding'' when asked for proof of authenticity.

FOLYKAZE:

Your analogy is flaw.

Bible said Jesus was child of holy spirit......nope?

Sons of God(angels, holy spirit) had sex with daughter of men.....nope?

Isaiah was mistranslated and bravely hiding of reality. Young woman turn to virgin.....nope?

If that be the case, Jesus was the son of Holy spirit.

Going by Roman 1:3, Jesus was the son of Joseph. Man has seed not woman

flexshop:

In the begining was the word, and the word was with God.and the word was God. And the same word was made flesh, and dwelth among us. Food for thought

Rossikk: Any idio.t can write false claims in a book and say ''it is beyond human understanding'' when asked for proof of authenticity.

flexshop: y'all children of the devil should give it a rest.if you understand everything, then you are God.the fact that somethings are beyond you makes you all human.maybe in the afterlife, you will understand all things

Mr Troll: you're done here then. You have no case...so much for 3 yrs of philosophy and 1yr of theology. Lol

flexshop:

In the begining was the word, and the word was with God.and the word was God. And the same word was made flesh, and dwelth among us. Food for thought

Mr Troll: you're done here then. You have no case...so much for 3 yrs of philosophy and 1yr of theology. Lol

flexshop:
"WHY I BELIEVE"

In The Virgin Birth

INTRODUCTION

1. In 1998, a Harris poll revealed that 83 percent of Americans believe
in the virgin birth...
a. That Jesus was born of the virgin Mary
b. Without a human father

2. In 2002, another poll showed that 27 percent of British Clergy do
not...
a. The view of one Hampshire vicar was typical: "There was nothing
special about his birth or his childhood - it was his adult life
that was extraordinary."
b. He declined to be named, saying: "I have a very traditional bishop
and this is one of those topics I do not go public on. I need to
keep the job I have got."

[With the majority of Americans, along with adherents of Islam, I also
believe in the virgin birth of Christ. Here are some reasons why...]

I. THE VIRGIN BIRTH WAS PROPHESIED

A. THROUGH MOSES...
1. In the promise made to the serpent (Satan) - Gen 3:15
a. The first Messianic prophecy found in Scripture
b. "He shall bruise your head; and you shall bruise His heel"
2. Note that it says "her seed"
a. The reference to the seed of a woman is unique
b. The normal expression is the seed of man - e.g., Ro 1:3
-- While not overwhelming proof, it is a subtle hint for what was
to come!

B. THROUGH ISAIAH...
1. In the promise made to the House of David - Isa 7:13-14
a. Though Ahaz rejected a sign, God chose to give one anyway to
his descendants
b. A virgin (Heb., almah) shall conceive and bear a son
2. Concerning almah, which some contend simply means "a young
woman"
a. "As a matter of fact there is no place among the seven
occurrences of 'almah' in the Old Testament where the word
is clearly used of a woman who was not a virgin."
- J. Gresham Machen, The Virgin Birth of Christ
b. In the LXX (the Septuagint version of the OT translated
around 250 B.C.) almah in Isaiah 7:14 is translated by the
Greek word parthenos which can only mean a virgin
c. "The fact that the seventy who were the most eminent Hebrew
scholars in the world translated the word 'virgin' is
sufficient evidence that in this connection the word could
have no other meaning." - Alfred Edersheim, The Life And
Times Of Jesus, The Messiah
-- A young woman bearing a child is not sign; but a virgin bearing
a child, whose name was to be called Immanuel ("God with us"
...now that is a sign!

C. THROUGH JEREMIAH...
1. In the promise made to Judah - Jer 31:22
a. The Lord would create a new thing in the earth
b. "A woman shall encompass a man"
2. The phrase has been variously interpreted; even so...
a. "The fathers saw in these words a prophecy of the miraculous
conception of our Lord by the Virgin" - Barnes
b. Any other explanation would not likely involve God creating
a new thing!
-- This prophecy may also be a subtle reference to what was to
come!

[Especially with regards to the prophecy in Isaiah, we have a promise
that the Messiah would be born of a virgin. Unsurprisingly, in the
gospel of Jesus Christ we find...]

II. THE VIRGIN BIRTH WAS PROCLAIMED

A. BY MATTHEW...
1. In his account of the birth of Jesus - Mt 1:18-25
a. Mary was found with child, conceived of the Holy Spirit
b. In fulfillment of the prophecy found in the book of Isaiah
2. Concerning parthenos, used by Matthew in his account
a. It is the Greek word for "virgin"
b. Leaving no doubt that the prophecy in Isaiah referred to a
virgin
-- Matthew, an early disciple and one of the 12 apostles,
proclaimed the virgin birth!

B. BY LUKE...
1. In his account of the birth of Jesus - Lk 1:26-38
a. He also calls Mary a virgin (parthenos)
b. She was to have a child without the benefit of a man
2. Note the words of the angel Gabriel
a. "For with God nothing is impossible"
b. If one believes in God, the concept of a virgin birth is not
an impossibility
-- Luke, a physician and notable historian, proclaimed the virgin
birth!

C. BY PAUL...
1. In his epistle to the Galatians - Ga 4:4
a. Writing of the coming of the Son of God
b. Of whom he says was "born of a woman"
2. Note how careful Paul is in his epistles
a. He proclaims Jesus to be the seed of Abraham and David
b. He never ascribes the sonship of Jesus to any earthly
father, only to God
c. Yet he has no hesitation ascribing His birth to a woman!
-- Paul, an apostle of Christ, by implication certainly proclaimed
the virgin birth!

CONCLUSION

1. There is certainly more in the Scriptures that implies the virgin
birth of Christ...
a. Such expressions as "begotten of God" - e.g., Jn 1:14,18; 3:16
b. The many references to Jesus as "the Son of God - e.g., Lk 1:35;
Mt 16:16

2. Skeptics have offered alternative explanations of the conception,
such as...
a. A relationship with a secret lover
b. A rape by a Roman soldier
c. Sexual relationships with her fiancée, Joseph
d. Jesus was conceived as a result of normal relations between Mary
and Joseph after marriage
-- Each of these imply that the virgin birth stories in Matthew and
Luke were simple fables, invented decades after Jesus' conception,
without any grounding in fact

3. It is important to believe in the virgin birth of Christ; otherwise
we claim that...
a. The New Testament narratives to be false and unreliable
b. We are more knowledgeable than Matthew, Luke, or Paul

4. Who are you willing to believe...?
a. The views of skeptics and opponents, who seek to undermine faith
in Jesus?
b. The opinions of theologians and professors, who publish for the
sake of tenure and profit?
c. The inspired apostles and writers of the New Testament, who
suffered for their testimony?

I am content to place my faith in Matthew and Luke, and to heed such
warnings as this by Paul:

"...Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane
and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called
knowledge -- by professing it some have strayed concerning the
faith. Grace be with you. Amen." - 1Ti 6:20-21

Committed to our trust is the wonderful truth that Jesus Christ was born
of a virgin...!

Billyonaire: Faith has turned your brain to block. Think!

Javanian: @op these are spiritual things, you don't use your carnal mind to understand them. Mary was a virgin physically but not spiritually because yahweh had sex with her in spirit with his spiritual dick, can't you see. You need the holy spirit to understand this things

Mr Troll: this is a non answer and a pathetic attempt at Special Pleading. Are you guys waiting for science to make a revolutionary discovery, of babies forming without sperms so that y'all can then jump in and claim it?

Odunayo1119: @op...u need to think very well bfor u just type anything....if God can create Adam from dust,then why cant a virgin be pregnant? Its people like u dat make God repent in creating humans... How can u just underestimate the power of d living God? Its still a miracle that u are still alive sef

Odunayo1119: @op...u need to think very well bfor u just type anything....if God can create Adam from dust,then why cant a virgin be pregnant? Its people like u dat make God repent in creating humans... How can u just underestimate the power of d living God? Its still a miracle that u are still alive sef

Odunayo1119: @op...u need to think very well bfor u just type anything....if God can create Adam from dust,then why cant a virgin be pregnant? Its people like u dat make God repent in creating humans... How can u just underestimate the power of d living God? Its still a miracle that u are still alive sef

Mr Troll: this post is incomplete! where is the threat of hell fire!!!?

Billyonaire: Hell, is a lie, may be she knows.

Mr Troll: You think so? A person that believes in virgin birth, man from dust? Ok, make we de wait. . .

Extom: If you want to see it from that angle, you will run into crisis because there are numerous instances where the bible(spiritual) and science(physical) disagrees.
Eg, take Samson, when he made the sun stand still for the whole day(spiritually possible, physically IMPOSSI-CANT)
There are too many examples, but let's just be wise, have faith, and hope we get to a point where it won't be a mystery to us anymore.
Its well...