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If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by Eshamo(m): 10:52pm On Sep 29, 2013
If God is Allah, why can't Xmas be sallah. Can someone tell me the answer ?
Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by Dyt(f): 11:02pm On Sep 29, 2013
Lmao
Dude
U dumb I swear
Pls read again

Let me get something right here
Are u tryin say God was born on d 25th?
Or Jesus is same as God?

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Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by Nobody: 12:33am On Sep 30, 2013
Dumb Post. But I believe U will be able to find answers on google sha.
Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by Eshamo(m): 2:54am On Sep 30, 2013
you both have eyes but see nothing. This post Is way beyond your level of understanding. If u Read between the lines u will understand that the point I am trying to drive home is, "if God and Allah are one n d same person, then y can't we have just one religion". Damn!, you both are really dumb so take a chill pill ok.
Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by Dyt(f): 5:31am On Sep 30, 2013
Lmbo
1diot had to edit after seein his stupidity
Fowl
Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by Nobody: 7:34am On Sep 30, 2013
Eshamo: you both have eyes but see nothing. This post Is way beyond your level of understanding. If u Read between the lines u will understand that the point I am trying to drive home is, "if God and Allah are one n d same person, then y can't we have just one religion". Damn!, you both are really dumb so take a chill pill ok.
Lol Dumb fool! After re-editing your typed gibberish? What you typed initially b4 dis, was a lil bit devoid of sense.
Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by Nobody: 7:56am On Sep 30, 2013
Muslims don't celebrate christmas because they have been forbidden from celebrating birthdays by muhammed since allah never ordered it in the quran. A true muslim isn't even supposed to celebrate the birth of muhammed (ie Id el .Maulud), all they are supposed to do on Muhammed's birthday is to pray for him.
All this is very funny considering the fact that even their id el Kabir and Id el fitri are never mentioned in the quran either, yet they celebrate them.
Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by Eshamo(m): 11:32am On Sep 30, 2013
zenopee:
Lol Dumb fool! After re-editing your typed gibberish? What you typed initially b4 dis, was a lil bit devoid of sense.

The post wasn't edited my dear. Since you n your girlfriend couldn't read btw the lines cos ur brains are no different from that of a swine. I had to kindly let u see where I was coming from. And the funniest thing is u still don't get it, but I am sure that one day u will, maybe when u are 80years, assuming u live that long. But I really don't see that happening cos u might just get hit by a bus today cos ur thought process is just too poor. LMAO
Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by golpen(m): 12:45pm On Sep 30, 2013
NL member: Muslims don't celebrate christmas because they have been forbidden from celebrating birthdays by muhammed since allah never ordered it in the quran. A true muslim isn't even supposed to celebrate the birth of muhammed (ie Id el .Maulud), all they are supposed to do on Muhammed's birthday is to pray for him.
All this is very funny considering the fact that even their id el Kabir and Id el fitri are never mentioned in the quran either, yet they celebrate them.

You speak out of half baked knowledge, which I think is more pitiable than stark ignorance. You are right about the birthday aspect and you should agree that your birthday should be a moment of counting your blessings in order to thank God, reflecting on your stay on earth so as to get the real message and pray.

But you should have stopped there, instead of displaying your qualification above by saying eid is not mentioned in the Qur'an. Whereas you don't know anything about the Qur'an. The only thing you rely on are your hate sites and cooked up stories.
Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by Nobody: 12:56pm On Sep 30, 2013
golpen:

You speak out of half baked knowledge, which I think is more pitiable than stark ignorance. You are right about the birthday aspect and you should agree that your birthday should be a moment of counting your blessings in order to thank God, reflecting on your stay on earth so as to get the real message and pray.

But you should have stopped there, instead of displaying your qualification above by saying eid is not mentioned in the Qur'an. Whereas you don't know anything about the Qur'an. The only thing you rely on are your hate sites and cooked up stories.

Ok stop crying and pull yourself together, I don't want to deal with emotional outbursts this afternoon.

Golpen, oya quote the part of the quran where eid el fitri and eid el kabir is mentioned.
Quote them and prove that I am wrong while you are correct.

I'm waiting.

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Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by Nobody: 1:13pm On Sep 30, 2013
Eshamo:

The post wasn't edited my dear. Since you n your girlfriend couldn't read btw the lines cos ur brains are no different from that of a swine. I had to kindly let u see where I was coming from. And the funniest thing is u still don't get it, but I am sure that one day u will, maybe when u are 80years, assuming u live that long. But I really don't see that happening cos u might just get hit by a bus today cos ur thought process is just too poor. LMAO
Well you might have a point there, but I guess by the time I clock 80, I would be with my great grand children viewing your embalmed body on display at the National Museum. The tag Mr. Intelligent will be in front of your corpse, cos you would have been long long dead by then. " Here lies the remains of one of Nigeria's most intelligent nairalanders".
Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by golpen(m): 2:00pm On Sep 30, 2013
NL member:

Ok stop crying and pull yourself together, I don't want to deal with emotional outbursts this afternoon.

Golpen, oya quote the part of the quran where eid el fitri and eid el kabir is mentioned.
Quote them and prove that I am wrong while you are correct.

I'm waiting.


Then I'll wonder what the use of the internet is in your village. Wear your glasses and help your pitiable situation here: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2010/11/happy-eid-el-kabir/ , so that you'll be able to learn, keep shut and stop displaying your bigotic myopia here.

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Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by Nobody: 2:25pm On Sep 30, 2013
golpen:

Then I'll wonder what the use of the internet is in your village. Wear your glasses and help your pitiable situation here: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2010/11/happy-eid-el-kabir/ , so that you'll be able to learn, keep shut and stop displaying your bigotic myopia here.

After all the unnecessary insults and attempts to sound intelligent, you still didn't quote the part of the quran where eid el kabir and eid el fitri were mentioned.
The link you attached said;
Eid-el-Kabir, as it is mostly known in Nigeria, is the latter of two Eid festivals celebrated by Muslims, whose basis comes from Sura 2 (Al-Baqara) ayah 196 in the Qur’an.

And

The word “Eid” appears in Sura al-Mai’da (“The Table Spread,” Chapter 5) of the Qur’an, meaning ‘solemn festival’.

Nowhere in that link was eid el fitri or eid el kabir verse in the quran mentioned. Even the verse of the quran that was in the link ie baqara verse 196 didn't mention fitri or kabir. This is what it says;

And complete the Hajj and 'umrah for Allah . But if you are prevented, then [offer] what can be obtained with ease of sacrificial animals. And do not shave your heads until the sacrificial animal has reached its place of slaughter. And whoever among you is ill or has an ailment of the head [making shaving necessary must offer] a ransom of fasting [three days] or charity or sacrifice. And when you are secure, then whoever performs 'umrah [during the Hajj months] followed by Hajj [offers] what can be obtained with ease of sacrificial animals. And whoever cannot find [or afford such an animal] - then a fast of three days during Hajj
and of seven when you have returned [home]. Those are ten complete [days]. This is for those whose family is not in the area of al-Masjid al-Haram. And fear Allah and know that Allah is severe in penalty.


No fitri or kabir.
Guy calm down, no one here is fighting you. You don't have to be so aggresive and spiteful you hear?

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Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by Eshamo(m): 2:37pm On Sep 30, 2013
zenopee:
Well you might have a point there, but I guess by the time I clock 80, I would be with my great grand children viewing your embalmed body on display at the National Museum. The tag Mr. Intelligent will be in front of your corpse, cos you would have been long long dead by then. " Here lies the remains of one of Nigeria's most intelligent nairalanders".

LMAO. At least I wld mke the museum. I seriously doubt u wld mke the morgue, talkless of the cemetery. And for the record, I suggest u stop taking shots at me cos u obviously are the only one coming up with holes.
Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by golpen(m): 3:07pm On Sep 30, 2013
NL member:

After all the unnecessary insults and attempts to sound intelligent, you still didn't quote the part of the quran where eid el kabir and eid el fitri were mentioned.

The problem is that you have no identity. If you do, you'd definitely know that the eid activities are stated in the Qur'an, so what is your point? if a question is posted at you, you'll wave saying you are not christian. And the eid found in the link I gave, does it refer to any other else aside fitr or adha?

Don't make me feel you are joking
Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by Nobody: 3:39pm On Sep 30, 2013
golpen:

The problem is that you have no identity. If you do, you'd definitely know that the eid activities are stated in the Qur'an, so what is your point? if a question is posted at you, you'll wave saying you are not christian. And the eid found in the link I gave, does it refer to any other else aside fitr or adha?

Don't make me feel you are joking

Abeg I am getting tired of repeating myself.

You kept here to challenge me when I said the quran does not say anything about eid el fitri or eid el kabir and then I asked you to quote the part of the quran where they are mentioned to prove me wrong.

Twenty hours later and you still haven't done so. Which one be your own sef?

Quote where eid el fitri and eid el kabir are mentioned in the quran because you accused me of being ignorant when I said they are not in the quran.
Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by Nobody: 4:11pm On Sep 30, 2013
Eshamo:

LMAO. At least I wld mke the museum. I seriously doubt u wld mke the morgue, talkless of the cemetery. And for the record, I suggest u stop taking shots at me cos u obviously are the only one coming up with holes.
Am actually referring to your gathered, embalmed remains. Cos after trailer don jam U finish, I will personally supervise the gathering of ϔ☺Ůȑ remains and transferring to the museum, nd we wud tag ϔ☺Ůȑ post in front dat in 2013, on Nairaland you typed so and so...
Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by vedaxcool(m): 4:49pm On Sep 30, 2013
@op

[b]

POINTS TO BE CONSIDERED

After reading this presentation a believing Christian might say "This is what the Muslims, whom we always considered as heathens or infidels, say about Jesus." But the point of view which the Qur'an presents deserves serious consideration, to say the least, by those who are really concerned about God, faith and even Christianity itself for the following reasons:

The Qur’an is the last version of God’s revelation and what it says is the ultimate truth. This might not mean much for those who do not believe in the Qur'an as such. However, the history of the Qur'an, modern textual criticism and scientific research of the content of this scripture leave no doubt about the truth it contains. The frequently made statements that the Qur'an is the word of Muhammad who copied his information from Jewish and Christian sources is made by people who do not know the history of the world, the Qur'an or Muhammad. The first Arabic translation of the Bible appeared two centuries after Muhammad's mission. If we add to this Muhammad's illiteracy and the scarcity of religious books in any language outside churches and temples in the sixth century we can understand the absurdity of this allegation.
The oneness and universality of God's message requires that people accept all the messengers of God. Rejecting one of them amounts to rejecting them all. The Jews reject Jesus's mission and Muhammad's mission; the Christians reject Muhammad's mission; whereas the Muslims accept them all, but reject incorrect historical interpretations and human elements in these missions.
Because of the Qur'an, Muslims love and respect Jesus as they love and respect the Prophet Muhammad. Moreover, the Qur'an reports some of Jesus's miracles which are not reported in the present gospel. For example, the Qur’an tells that Jesus spoke in the cradle and was able to tell people what they ate or treasured in their houses, to mention just a few.
It is common knowledge that the divinity of Jesus was introduced by Saint Paul and his followers and was established on the dead bodies of millions of Christians through history which evoked the Castillo's well-known remark "To burn a man is not to prove a doctrine."
The choice of the present four gospels was imposed in the conference of Nicea 325 C.E. under the auspices of the pagan Emperor Constantine for political purposes. Literally, hundreds of gospels and religious writings were considered apocrypha, i.e. books of doubtful authenticity. Some of those books were written by Jesus's disciples. If they were not more authentic than the four gospels they were of equal authenticity. Some of them still are available such as the Gospel of Barnabas and the Shepherd of Hermas which agree with the Qur’an.
The Unitarian concept and the humanness of Jesus is not only held by Muslims but also by Jews and by some early groups of Christianity such as the Ebionites, the Cerinthians, the Basilidians, the Capocratians and the Hypisistarians to name several early sects. The Arians, Paulicians and Goths also accepted Jesus as a prophet of God. Even in the modern age there are churches in Asia, in Africa, the Unitarian church, and Jehova Witnesses who do not worship Jesus as God.
Most serious studies of the Bible have shown that it contains a large portion of additions which neither Jesus nor the writers of the gospels said. The church, as Heinz Zahrnt said, "put words into the mouth of Jesus which he never spoke and attributed actions to him which he never performed." Those conclusions were arrived at by some members of the church. However, they are kept secret or available only to the specialists. One of those, who has shown that most of what the church says about Jesus is baseless is Rudolf Augustein in his book Jesus Son of Man, (published in Germany 1972 and translated into English 1977).
The problem with present Christianity is the personality of Jesus which is completely misunderstood. Jesus' nature, mission and claimed death and resurrection, are all challenged by studies in the field. One of those is a book entitled The Myth of God Incarnate which appeared 1977 (edited by John Hick) and written by seven theologian scholars in England. Their conclusion is that Jesus was "a man approved by God, for special role within the divine purpose, and … the later conception of him as God incarnate … is a mythological or poetic way of expressing his significance for us." The best George Carey could say in his attempt to refute the findings of those theologians is that unless one takes Jesus as God Incarnate one won't be able to understand Jesus' mission or explain its impact on people. This definitely is a very weak argument because all great prophets such as Abraham, Moses, and Muhammad have had a tremendous impact on people and none of them claimed that he was God or a son of God.

The concept of the Trinity is not, of course, available even in the present Bible. There are statements which negate it such as "The Lord our God is one Lord (Math. 12:29) and many others.
It is worth noting that Jesus never claims divinity even in the present text of the Bible. The expression "Son of God" cannot be said to have come from Jesus himself. Hasting in The Dictionary of the Bible says "Whether Jesus used it of himself is doubtful." In my reading of the Bible, I found only two instances in John Chapter 5 and 11 where Jesus uses "son of God" to refer to himself. Other instances were used by others. Even those are very limited. However, even if the title "son of God" was used by Jesus himself one should remember the following points:

As a biblical scholar said, "Semitic usage would never have allowed literal sense even though such an expression would be interpreted literally in the Hellenistic world of Jesus followers".
The New Testament Greek words used for "son" are pias and paida, which means 'servant' or 'son in the sense of servant, are translated son in reference to Jesus and servant in reference to others in some translations of the Bible (Mufassir, P. 15).
The title "son of man" which is a self-designation of Jesus and occurs 81 times in the gospels is the clearest description and emphasis by Jesus on his humanity. The classical interpretation given to this title is that it is used to emphasize the human side of Jesus. Now the question which suggests itself is: Do contemporary Christians emphasize this aspect of Jesus?[/b]
Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by vedaxcool(m): 4:50pm On Sep 30, 2013
@op

[b]

POINTS TO BE CONSIDERED

After reading this presentation a believing Christian might say "This is what the Muslims, whom we always considered as heathens or infidels, say about Jesus." But the point of view which the Qur'an presents deserves serious consideration, to say the least, by those who are really concerned about God, faith and even Christianity itself for the following reasons:

The Qur’an is the last version of God’s revelation and what it says is the ultimate truth. This might not mean much for those who do not believe in the Qur'an as such. However, the history of the Qur'an, modern textual criticism and scientific research of the content of this scripture leave no doubt about the truth it contains. The frequently made statements that the Qur'an is the word of Muhammad who copied his information from Jewish and Christian sources is made by people who do not know the history of the world, the Qur'an or Muhammad. The first Arabic translation of the Bible appeared two centuries after Muhammad's mission. If we add to this Muhammad's illiteracy and the scarcity of religious books in any language outside churches and temples in the sixth century we can understand the absurdity of this allegation.
The oneness and universality of God's message requires that people accept all the messengers of God. Rejecting one of them amounts to rejecting them all. The Jews reject Jesus's mission and Muhammad's mission; the Christians reject Muhammad's mission; whereas the Muslims accept them all, but reject incorrect historical interpretations and human elements in these missions.
Because of the Qur'an, Muslims love and respect Jesus as they love and respect the Prophet Muhammad. Moreover, the Qur'an reports some of Jesus's miracles which are not reported in the present gospel. For example, the Qur’an tells that Jesus spoke in the cradle and was able to tell people what they ate or treasured in their houses, to mention just a few.
It is common knowledge that the divinity of Jesus was introduced by Saint Paul and his followers and was established on the dead bodies of millions of Christians through history which evoked the Castillo's well-known remark "To burn a man is not to prove a doctrine."
The choice of the present four gospels was imposed in the conference of Nicea 325 C.E. under the auspices of the pagan Emperor Constantine for political purposes. Literally, hundreds of gospels and religious writings were considered apocrypha, i.e. books of doubtful authenticity. Some of those books were written by Jesus's disciples. If they were not more authentic than the four gospels they were of equal authenticity. Some of them still are available such as the Gospel of Barnabas and the Shepherd of Hermas which agree with the Qur’an.
The Unitarian concept and the humanness of Jesus is not only held by Muslims but also by Jews and by some early groups of Christianity such as the Ebionites, the Cerinthians, the Basilidians, the Capocratians and the Hypisistarians to name several early sects. The Arians, Paulicians and Goths also accepted Jesus as a prophet of God. Even in the modern age there are churches in Asia, in Africa, the Unitarian church, and Jehova Witnesses who do not worship Jesus as God.
Most serious studies of the Bible have shown that it contains a large portion of additions which neither Jesus nor the writers of the gospels said. The church, as Heinz Zahrnt said, "put words into the mouth of Jesus which he never spoke and attributed actions to him which he never performed." Those conclusions were arrived at by some members of the church. However, they are kept secret or available only to the specialists. One of those, who has shown that most of what the church says about Jesus is baseless is Rudolf Augustein in his book Jesus Son of Man, (published in Germany 1972 and translated into English 1977).
The problem with present Christianity is the personality of Jesus which is completely misunderstood. Jesus' nature, mission and claimed death and resurrection, are all challenged by studies in the field. One of those is a book entitled The Myth of God Incarnate which appeared 1977 (edited by John Hick) and written by seven theologian scholars in England. Their conclusion is that Jesus was "a man approved by God, for special role within the divine purpose, and … the later conception of him as God incarnate … is a mythological or poetic way of expressing his significance for us." The best George Carey could say in his attempt to refute the findings of those theologians is that unless one takes Jesus as God Incarnate one won't be able to understand Jesus' mission or explain its impact on people. This definitely is a very weak argument because all great prophets such as Abraham, Moses, and Muhammad have had a tremendous impact on people and none of them claimed that he was God or a son of God.

The concept of the Trinity is not, of course, available even in the present Bible. There are statements which negate it such as "The Lord our God is one Lord (Math. 12:29) and many others.
It is worth noting that Jesus never claims divinity even in the present text of the Bible. The expression "Son of God" cannot be said to have come from Jesus himself. Hasting in The Dictionary of the Bible says "Whether Jesus used it of himself is doubtful." In my reading of the Bible, I found only two instances in John Chapter 5 and 11 where Jesus uses "son of God" to refer to himself. Other instances were used by others. Even those are very limited. However, even if the title "son of God" was used by Jesus himself one should remember the following points:

As a biblical scholar said, "Semitic usage would never have allowed literal sense even though such an expression would be interpreted literally in the Hellenistic world of Jesus followers".
The New Testament Greek words used for "son" are pias and paida, which means 'servant' or 'son in the sense of servant, are translated son in reference to Jesus and servant in reference to others in some translations of the Bible (Mufassir, P. 15).
The title "son of man" which is a self-designation of Jesus and occurs 81 times in the gospels is the clearest description and emphasis by Jesus on his humanity. The classical interpretation given to this title is that it is used to emphasize the human side of Jesus. Now the question which suggests itself is: Do contemporary Christians emphasize this aspect of Jesus?[/b]
Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by lanrexlan(m): 6:30pm On Sep 30, 2013
NL member:

Ok stop crying and pull yourself together, I don't want to deal with emotional outbursts this afternoon.

Golpen, oya quote the part of the quran where eid el fitri and eid el kabir is mentioned.
Quote them and prove that I am wrong while you are correct.

I'm waiting.
Are you looking for the word Eid Filtri and Eid Kabir?
Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah Al-Hajj 22:26-30 -We (Allah) assigned to Abraham the site of the House (Kaaba) saying associate nothing with Me and keep My house clean for those who perform the circuits and those who stand up and those who bow down and prostrate,then proclaim unto mankind the pilgrimage they will come to thee by every distant track,so that they may witness its benefits for them and celebrate the name of Allah through the appointed days,over the cattle that Allah has provided for them for sacrifice,then eat ye there of and feed the distressed,the needy and complete the rites prescribed of cleansing and fulfill their vows and go round the Ancient House,that is My commandment and whoso honours the sacred rites of Allah,it will be good for Him with his Lord.
What's the above referring to?.....Peace
Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by Nobody: 6:41pm On Sep 30, 2013
lanrexlan: Are you looking for the word Eid Filtri and Eid Kabir?
Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah Al-Hajj 22:26-30 -We (Allah) assigned to Abraham the site of the House (Kaaba) saying associate nothing with Me and keep My house clean for those who perform the circuits and those who stand up and those who bow down and prostrate,then proclaim unto mankind the pilgrimage they will come to thee by every distant track,so that they may witness its benefits for them and celebrate the name of Allah through the appointed days,over the cattle that Allah has provided for them for sacrifice,then eat ye there of and feed the distressed,the needy and complete the rites prescribed of cleansing and fulfill their vows and go round the Ancient House,that is My commandment and whoso honours the sacred rites of Allah,it will be good for Him with his Lord.
What's the above referring to?.....Peace

That verse was specifically directed to those performing the hajj as you can see from the part I put in bold. Peace.
Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by lanrexlan(m): 7:20pm On Sep 30, 2013
NL member:

That verse was specifically directed to those performing the hajj as you can see from the part I put in bold. Peace.
Not those people only.Allah declared in Surah Al-Baqarah 2:213 that surely mankind were one community,then He choose one man i.e. Ibrahim(AS) to be the leader of all men in faith (Surah Al-Baqarah 2:124),He (Allah) then approved for Ibrahim and all men,only one religion (Al-Islam)[Surah Al-Baqarah 2:131-137].
He commanded Ibrahim(AS) to build one worshipping house (Kaaba) for all mankind to come and worship only One God (Allah)
.

We are to follow the religion of Ibrahim(AS) and his way of life,he's a role model.Allah says in the glorious Quran in
Surah An-Nahl 16:120 -Verily,Ibrahim (Abraham) was an Ummah (a leader having all the good righteous qualities),or a nation,obedient to Allah,Hanifa (i.e. to worship none but Allah),and he was not one of those who were Al-Mushrikun (polytheists,idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah,and those who joined partners with Allah).So,we follow the footsteps of Ibrahim(AS)in celebrating Eid.

Allah says in the glorious Quran in
Surah As-Saffat 37:101-106 -So We gave him the glad tidings of a forbearing boy.And,when he (his son) was old enough to walk with him,he said:O my son! I have seen in a dream that I am slaughtering you (offer you in sacrifice to Allah),so look what you think!
He said:O my father! Do that which you are commanded,Insha' Allah (if Allah will), you shall find me of As-Sabirin (the patient ones,etc.).
Then,when they had both submitted themselves (to the Will of Allah),and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (or on the side of his forehead for slaughtering) And We called out to him:O Abraham! You have fulfilled the dream (vision)!" Verily! Thus do We reward the Muhsinun (good-doers)
Verily,that indeed was a manifest trial And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice (i.e. a ram);And We left for him (a goodly remembrance) among generations (to come) in later times
.
So we follow Ibrahim(AS),is that clear?.....Peace
Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by Nobody: 8:08pm On Sep 30, 2013
@Lanrexlan
You obviously did not understand my last post.

You posted a verse from the quran that mentions hajj rites and tried to pass them as instructions for eid celebrations so I told you those instructions were specifically directed to those performing hajj.

The instructions are meant to be a part of their hajj rituals.

Surah Al-Hajj 22:26-30 -We (Allah) assigned to Abraham the site of the House (Kaaba) saying associate nothing with Me and keep My house clean for those who perform the circuits and those who stand up and those who bow down and prostrate,then proclaim unto mankind the pilgrimage they will come to thee by every distant track,so that they may witness its benefits for them and celebrate the name of Allah through the appointed days,over the cattle that Allah has provided for them for sacrifice,then eat ye there of and feed the distressed,the needy and complete the rites prescribed of cleansing and fulfill their vows and go round the Ancient House,that is My commandment and whoso honours the sacred rites of Allah,it will be good for Him with his Lord.

Analysis of the verse;
Proclaim unto mankind the pilgrimage they will come to thee every distant track so they may celebrate the name of allah over appointed days;
Take note of the last two words; "Appointed days". The verse clearly says celebrate over a number of days so it very obviously isn't talking about the eid celebration because eid el kabir is a one day only festival. Also note that there is a coma following the words "appointed days". Coma, and not full stop because more instructions follow for those that the verse is directed to. It doesn't stop with celebrating. The celebrations should also be followed by giving to the needy, completing the process of cleansing, fulfilling vows and then finally going round the ancient house.
That last part ie going round the ancient house(Kaaba), shows that the list of rituals/rites outlined in that verse are only for those performing hajj. They are not meant for those who are not on hajj cos non hajji do not have to circumnavigate the Kaaba.
That verse is not talking about eid el kabir. Its talking about hajj rites.

Please in the name of allah understand it this time, I really hate repeating myself over simple matters like this.
Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by golpen(m): 8:24pm On Sep 30, 2013
NL member:

Abeg I am getting tired of repeating myself.

You kept here to challenge me when I said the quran does not say anything about eid el fitri or eid el kabir and then I asked you to quote the part of the quran where they are mentioned to prove me wrong.

Twenty hours later and you still haven't done so. Which one be your own sef?

Quote where eid el fitri and eid el kabir are mentioned in the quran because you accused me of being ignorant when I said they are not in the quran.

What is your point saying that eid adha or fitr does not occur in the Qur'an? Is it not to nullify the practice? I sent you the link to get u educated that the practice is justified in the Qur'an and you're here fumbling.

What is your concern if it is not?
Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by Nobody: 8:44pm On Sep 30, 2013
golpen:

What is your point saying that eid adha or fitr does not occur in the Qur'an? Is it not to nullify the practice? I sent you the link to get u educated that the practice is justified in the Qur'an and you're here fumbling.

What is your concern if it is not?

You are a shameless liar. I asked you to show me where eid el fitri and eid el kabir is mentioned in the quran and you brought back a vanguard newspaper link that talks about Abraham sacrificing Ishmael.
I deflated your link and when you realized that you will never be able to find such a verse in the quran, you return back to lie that you only posted those verses because my intention was to nullify the practice.

No golpen, stop being a disgusting lying muslim.
I never mentioned that my intention was to nullify anything.
I simply said the two eids are not mentioned in the quran before you hastily rushed into the thread to claim that I was ignorant about what I said.
You made a mistake, accept it and stop being a dishonest hypocrite.

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Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by lanrexlan(m): 10:40pm On Sep 30, 2013
NL member: @Lanrexlan
You obviously did not understand my last post.

You posted a verse from the quran that mentions hajj rites and tried to pass them as instructions for eid celebrations so I told you those instructions were specifically directed to those performing hajj.

The instructions are meant to be a part of their hajj rituals.

Surah Al-Hajj 22:26-30 -We (Allah) assigned to Abraham the site of the House (Kaaba) saying associate nothing with Me and keep My house clean for those who perform the circuits and those who stand up and those who bow down and prostrate,then proclaim unto mankind the pilgrimage they will come to thee by every distant track,so that they may witness its benefits for them and celebrate the name of Allah through the appointed days,over the cattle that Allah has provided for them for sacrifice,then eat ye there of and feed the distressed,the needy and complete the rites prescribed of cleansing and fulfill their vows and go round the Ancient House,that is My commandment and whoso honours the sacred rites of Allah,it will be good for Him with his Lord.

Analysis of the verse;
Proclaim unto mankind the pilgrimage they will come to thee every distant track so they may celebrate the name of allah over appointed days;
Take note of the last two words; "Appointed days". The verse clearly says celebrate over a number of days so it very obviously isn't talking about the eid celebration because eid el kabir is a one day only festival. Also note that there is a coma following the words "appointed days". Coma, and not full stop because more instructions follow for those that the verse is directed to. It doesn't stop with celebrating. The celebrations should also be followed by giving to the needy, completing the process of cleansing, fulfilling vows and then finally going round the ancient house.
That last part ie going round the ancient house(Kaaba), shows that the list of rituals/rites outlined in that verse are only for those performing hajj. They are not meant for those who are not on hajj cos non hajji do not have to circumnavigate the Kaaba.
That verse is not talking about eid el kabir. Its talking about hajj rites.

Please in the name of allah understand it this time, I really hate repeating myself over simple matters like this.
I'm not arguing about Surah Hajj again bro,I never repeated the Surah in my next post.
I brought up another verse of Surah As-Saffat and I explained how we are to follow Ibrahim(AS),what do you have to say about that?.....Peace
Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by golpen(m): 10:47pm On Sep 30, 2013
NL member: Muslims don't celebrate christmas because they have been forbidden from celebrating birthdays by muhammed since allah never ordered it in the quran. A true muslim isn't even supposed to celebrate the birth of muhammed (ie Id el .Maulud), all they are supposed to do on Muhammed's birthday is to pray for him.
All this is very funny considering the fact that even their id el Kabir and Id el fitri are never mentioned in the quran either, yet they celebrate them.

grin you have a problem

If I won't be lying, then what is your point here above? Please let's know your intention. Go get yourself an identity first, then you know what is meant by being bashful
Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by Nobody: 10:54pm On Sep 30, 2013
lanrexlan: I'm not arguing about Surah Hajj again bro,I never repeated the Surah in my next post.
I brought up another verse of Surah As-Saffat and I explained how we are to follow Ibrahim(AS),what do you have to say about that?.....Peace

This is what you said about Surah As Saffat;

Surah As-Saffat 37:101-106 -So We gave him the glad tidings of a forbearing boy.And,when he (his son) was old enough to walk with him,he said:O my son! I have seen in a dream that I am slaughtering you (offer you in sacrifice to Allah),so look what you think!
He said:O my father! Do that which you are commanded,Insha' Allah (if Allah will), you shall find me of As-Sabirin (the patient ones,etc.).
Then,when they had both submitted themselves (to the Will of Allah),and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (or on the side of his forehead for slaughtering) And We called out to him:O Abraham! You have fulfilled the dream (vision)!" Verily! Thus do We reward the Muhsinun (good-doers)
Verily,that indeed was a manifest trial And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice (i.e. a ram);And We left for him (a goodly remembrance) among generations (to come) in later times.

The bold and enlarged part says allah left a goodly remembrance among generations to come in later times.
'A goodly remembrance in later times' could mean the story of Abraham in the Bible. It could mean the story of Abraham in the Qur'an. it could also mean the story of Abraham in both the Bible and the Qur'an because these tales about abraham serve as a remembrance for who he was when he was on earth.
Nowhere does the verse say that the 'goodly remembrance' is talking about eid el kabir.
Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by Nobody: 10:56pm On Sep 30, 2013
golpen:

grin you have a problem

If I won't be lying, then what is your point here above? Please let's know your intention. Go get yourself an identity first, then you know what is meant by being bashful

Shut up and let lanrexlan talk because you obviously don't know what you are saying and you would end up embarrassing your religion more.
Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by golpen(m): 11:01pm On Sep 30, 2013
NL member:

Shut up and let lanrexlan talk because you obviously don't know what you are saying and you would end up embarrassing your religion more.

cheesy wailing in frustration after being exposed!!!
Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by Nobody: 11:03pm On Sep 30, 2013
golpen:

cheesy wailing in frustration after being exposed!!!

You're not worth my time. I will ignore your foolishness and shameless lying henceforth you worthless schmuck.
Re: If God Is Allah, Why Can't Xmas Be Sallah ? by golpen(m): 11:08pm On Sep 30, 2013
@lanrexlan

Salaam bro...I recognise your effort to help our NL member, may ALLAH bless you. But he is someone who either lives in the pain of hiding his true self (not a christian, not an etheist) or wallows in the shame of not having something to protect. I thereby count a dialogue with him a waste. All he needs is prayer for ALLAH to illuminate his life. Peace.

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