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Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by Elem1: 9:00pm On Oct 22, 2013
yim: the agreement is voidable as govt was forced to sign under duress. ASUU members are thieves.
please put it to them "My Lord"
Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by proffemi: 9:01pm On Oct 22, 2013
occam:

Agreed but how do we ensure the poor are not denied access to education? I'm sure an average student forks out over N200,000 for fees, feeding and accommodation per year (N800,000 in 4 yrs).

ASUU can propose a "school fee exemption grant" for low income earners; closely linked to student performance. So students that do not score good grades will start paying fees the following year. Given the income levels in Nigeria, up to 65% of students will qualify. I'm sure Nigeria can fund this.

Thank you. Why do you think ASUU should "propose a school fee exemption grant" when they survey the sort of ignorant statements students make about the strike? You know, rather than making students pay proper prices and looking for ways of ensuring the poor are not excluded, ASUU takes the usual (and unfair) Nigerian approach of pushing it on FG. Now, do you think it is the students who should be complaining the most about that?

Anyhow, somewhere in my head, I have this idea of tiered school fees. Let First Class students pay nothing. Let 2-1 pay N50,000, and so on. So weak students end up paying a penalty for being weak. They either improve to pay less, or they keep paying huge amounts, or, they end up wondering whether the education they are getting is worth so much, and simply drop to face their real strengths. I tell you, the poor students in my classes do more damage than any strike ever can...

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Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by Nobody: 9:03pm On Oct 22, 2013
prof.femi:


Look, we can argue till we are purple in the face. The facts are:
1. There are lots of lecturers who have no business being here. But in a situation the conditions of service cannot attract replacements that are truly better, we are left with few options on how to deal with them.

2. Proper funding of the universities and the FG deciding to demand performance from lecturers are *not* mutually exclusive.

3. The fact that some lecturers are bad eggs is NO excuse either for the FG to renege on an agreement it signed, or for them to abandon education

4. Tertiary education is expensive anywhere in the world. If the students don't want ASUU to fight FG for adequate funding, they better be ready to pay through their favorite orifice.

5. This country can not achieve any of our long-term goals unless tertiary education is well-funded.

I'll say it again, Nigerians are not ready to pay for education. Education can only be subsidized by the Govt. and even at that it wont be any lesser than USD $6000 N1,000,000 per year. Who pays N25,000 Naira for a University degree? And yet we whine about good education. SMH for Nigerians
Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by Nobody: 9:06pm On Oct 22, 2013
Dey 1 make I born children finish b4 they call off niii. I won't talk shaaaa.
Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by Rosejefrey(f): 9:09pm On Oct 22, 2013
All of u dats is too eager 2 go back 2 school,do u even think u were in a university b4?wats d point of going back 2 an unequiped school nd become an engineer dat can not screw a nut.DIS GOVRMENT DAT CLAIMS DEY DNT HAVE DAT MONEY 2 GIVE OUT WOULD HAVE GIVEN MORE IF DIS PRICE WAS WAT BOKOHARAM WANTED AS DERE PRICE 2 STOP D KILLINGS.so y cant dey give out dis money 2 stop dis boko stuff in future.
Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by Nobody: 9:19pm On Oct 22, 2013
porka:

Public university education is highly subsidized in Nigeria.

Not just "highly subsidized" but over-subsidized to almost free.

I'm a student of the University of Nottingham and i challenge Nigerians to check how much local students pay for education.

Local students pay - N2,315,918.92
International students - N4,248,424.59

So please gullible Nigerians shouldn't be deceived by these "SUBSIDIZED" theories. If you live or have lived abroad you should know better and don't forget that they pay all sorts of taxes and tolls, and that is why the Govt. can subsidize their education. Do we?
Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by proffemi: 9:22pm On Oct 22, 2013
rudedough:

I'm a student of the University of Nottingham and i challenge you to check how much locals pay.

Local students pay - N2,315,918.92
International students - N4,248,424.59

So please don't deceive gullible Nigerians with this "SUBSIDIZED" theories. If you live abroad you should know better and don't forget that they pay taxes and tolls, and that is why the Govt. can subsidize their education. Do we?[/size][/b]

Thanks joo. Nigerians are too fond of free things; worse yet, most students don't seem to know that right now, the value of the education they are getting is tosh. As has been said over and over, you get what you pay for, so could students kindly stop complaining? *

*Do you hear students of private universities complaining so much about their lecturers?

** $#^#%%#& Lewandowski...
Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by wogorparadise: 9:48pm On Oct 22, 2013
Promhize: God punish this idiots. I was almost supporting them but on a second thought, this guys are greedy old men, destroying students lives with no sense of regret.

Why can't they just sue the FG since it was an agreement, wait let me guess, they don't want to spend their money, but they can waste students lives without twitching an eye.

We always blame FG, but these lecturers are as worse as the politicians themselves, I can bet that over 40% (esp Professors, Dr) are not in Nigeria as we are speaking, we complain that our politicians children aren't schooling in Nigeria but these greedy men are not different, even the son of Ondo state's deputy governor schools at OAU - tell me why he would want to send any of his children to FG universities later.

I just don't understand, this idiots are fighting for their pockets - for bigger offices, ac fitted - not students. I school in OAU and I'm not complaining, in-fact, no student is complaining. OAU increased Acceptance fee from 2000naira to 20,000naira, a whooping 1000% increase, when we students protested they advised us to stop and called us all sorts.

No lecturer supported students. For Pre-degree programme, the fee is over 150thousand naira, to write post utme, you'd have to pay over 3000naira, to check you'd have to pay over 3000naira, pls where do you think all these money is going to. Its not like we are given free food or learning materials.

This lecturers sit in AC tight offices, travel anyhow even during school semesters all in the name of research, the same lecturers fighting for students will come back from trips in the middle of semesters and give students only course outline and ask us to go learn ourselves.

Same lecturers demanded more than once that their retirement age be extended when millions of graduates are out of work. They want allowance because they are teaching more than 1 course, these same men and women of no reputable standard went to school on scholarship, with free food, books, and so on.

Damn ASUU and their sympathisers. They sit in AC tight offices with numerous gadgets when ordinary ceiling fans in students room aren't working.
They collect hundreds of millions in different fees but must new classrooms in OAU are built by Private companies and individuals such as first bank, I bet the rest are from FG funds.

I WILL NOT STOP UNTIL EVERYONE KNOWS THAT EVEN THOUGH FG IS CORRUPT, THESE LECTURERS ARE NOT ANY BETTER.
Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by Nobody: 9:49pm On Oct 22, 2013
prof.femi:


God bless you for this. The thing that really gets my goat is that, rather than letting the burden fall on the students (where, frankly speaking, it should), ASUU is fighting to put in on FG, and guess who is hacking at ASUU? Yep. The same students. Life's not fair...

Even as much as i agree with the increment of tuition fee to allow for autonomous administration of our tertiary institution, i still feel as though that majority of ASUU members are not actually fighting for the infrastructural development of our tertiary institution but mainly for their selfish interest.

I hope to see a Nigeria where lecturers evaluate their students in their exams and students evaluate their lecturers in their respective MEF (Module Evaluation Form).

God bless Nigeria but trust me, i am not from a wealthy family, we school and work in hostile territories. It's not fun, i wish Nigeria was better and i could study in my homeland. BTW it's good to have people like you on Nairaland Prof.
Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by urchman101(m): 9:53pm On Oct 22, 2013
prof.femi:


I tell you, the poor students in my classes do more damage than any strike ever can...
Lol

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Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by proffemi: 9:58pm On Oct 22, 2013
rudedough: Even as much as i agree with the increment of tuition fee to allow for autonomous administration of our tertiary institution, i still feel as though that majority of ASUU members are not actually fighting for the infrastructural development of our tertiary institution but mainly for their selfish interest.

Well, you are probably right about this. As to whether it is wrong to fight for their selfish interest though, we'll leave that one for another day. The truth is, those of us who support the strike do so for different reasons. My not-so-secret wish is that ASUU succeeds so much in getting their (our) entitlements from government that more smart young bloods decide that lecturing is worth it after all.

The only way we're going to kick out the bad lecturers (if they exist grin ) is by being able to attract and *retain* smarter young ones. So, no worries, even if it is this old-kargo generation of inept lecturers that first get the windfall, soon enough, that same windfall will lead to our (their!) downfall, as aggressive, smart, hungry new graduates come into the system. At least, that's the way it goes in one of my favorite dreams...
Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by emmahoney(m): 9:59pm On Oct 22, 2013
Promhize: God punish this idiots. I was almost supporting them but on a second thought, this guys are greedy old men, destroying students lives with no sense of regret.

Why can't they just sue the FG since it was an agreement, wait let me guess, they don't want to spend their money, but they can waste students lives without twitching an eye.

We always blame FG, but these lecturers are as worse as the politicians themselves, I can bet that over 40% (esp Professors, Dr) are not in Nigeria as we are speaking, we complain that our politicians children aren't schooling in Nigeria but these greedy men are not different, even the son of Ondo state's deputy governor schools at OAU - tell me why he would want to send any of his children to FG universities later.

I just don't understand, this idiots are fighting for their pockets - for bigger offices, ac fitted - not students. I school in OAU and I'm not complaining, in-fact, no student is complaining. OAU increased Acceptance fee from 2000naira to 20,000naira, a whooping 1000% increase, when we students protested they advised us to stop and called us all sorts.

No lecturer supported students. For Pre-degree programme, the fee is over 150thousand naira, to write post utme, you'd have to pay over 3000naira, to check you'd have to pay over 3000naira, pls where do you think all these money is going to. Its not like we are given free food or learning materials.

This lecturers sit in AC tight offices, travel anyhow even during school semesters all in the name of research, the same lecturers fighting for students will come back from trips in the middle of semesters and give students only course outline and ask us to go learn ourselves.

Same lecturers demanded more than once that their retirement age be extended when millions of graduates are out of work. They want allowance because they are teaching more than 1 course, these same men and women of no reputable standard went to school on scholarship, with free food, books, and so on.

Damn ASUU and their sympathisers. They sit in AC tight offices with numerous gadgets when ordinary ceiling fans in students room aren't working.
They collect hundreds of millions in different fees but must new classrooms in OAU are built by Private companies and individuals such as first bank, I bet the rest are from FG funds.

I WILL NOT STOP UNTIL EVERYONE KNOWS THAT EVEN THOUGH FG IS CORRUPT, THESE LECTURERS ARE NOT ANY BETTER.
Gbam
Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by emmahoney(m): 10:01pm On Oct 22, 2013
HNosegbe: The part of the agreement I don't understand is one that talks about FG funding of state universities. That doesn't make sense to me - why can't states fund their own universities appropriately, or design creative financing options?

Oh well, the government signed an agreement. Let them abide by it.
U are myopic in thinking.
Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by delors(m): 10:07pm On Oct 22, 2013
Youngzedd:
Part of the agreement dwelt on funding of universities where both parties agreed that each federal university should get at least N1.5 trillion between 2009 and 2011

If each fed university gets N1.5T in 2 years, can the fed universities each show us what they have planned to do with the expected funds? How much of the funds have been budgeted for research, univ students' loans, etc? I wouldnt be surprised if 85% of the N1.5T is for lecturers' salaries, bonuses, lecturers' loans, etc

Youngzedd: while state universities, within the same period, should receive N3.6 million per student.

This is not so clear to me. That each studying student should get N3.6M from the government? if this is the case, then, it means the fed government have been paying each student some amount of money before and so the union wants the amount increased to N3.2M in 2 years. How true is this? I know it is not supposed to be a direct financial paymnet into students' accounts but education worth of N3.2 but this is so unrealistic because students dont even have access to education loan, education support, etc However, if the clause actually means that "A student pays N3.6M in 2 years in a government school" How unfair! How malicious! How exploitative! By extension, N7.2M for a four year course (excluding engineering, medicine, pharmacy etc which will definitely be much more). And they say make them parents no come dey thief government money? It's not even a private school. Facilities are scanty, teachers are mostly substandard and archaic (Most don't even know what LinkedIn is), and worst all, no prospect of employment after graduation. Gross institutional exploitation!

Youngzedd: The agreement also had parts that asked the re-negotiation committee to ensure that at least 26 percent of Nigeria’s annual budget was allocated to education, and half of that allocation to universities.
This is one of the most thoughtless, most clallous and definitely most exploitative clauses I have seen in a long while (well after the Amalgamation of the Northern and southern Protectorates by uncle Lugard). If half of the 26% is sent to the univiersities, whatever happens to polytechniques, colleges of education, vocational & skills centres, secondary education, primary education (basic elementary), adult education, etc? thoughtless! callous! Bafounbous! (My word cool ) Malicious! and what quality of teaching do these guys give? 25%! Lecturers who mindlessly blow grammars in class; who run after those mosquito-legged female students for punny; who sell copy-and-paste handouts for thousands; who come to class to tell stories. Sad!

The bottomline is these guys are callous. Period!

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Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by Sajio(m): 10:20pm On Oct 22, 2013
HNosegbe: The part of the agreement I don't understand is one that talks about FG funding of state universities. That doesn't make sense to me - why can't states fund their own universities appropriately, or design creative financing options?

Oh well, the government signed an agreement. Let them abide by it.
..... FG only sign an MOU not Agreement ooo! ASUU just changed the whole thing else they would have gone †̥ court!
Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by Sajio(m): 10:26pm On Oct 22, 2013
.... FG only sign an MOU not Agreement ooo! ASUU just changed the whole thing else they would have gone †̥ court!!! ASUU wants †̥ manage government lands so dey can privatise it!! ASUU should keep waiting for d N3trn!! Rubish!
Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by Nobody: 10:31pm On Oct 22, 2013
prof.femi:


Well, you are probably right about this. As to whether it is wrong to fight for their selfish interest though, we'll leave that one for another day. The truth is, those of us who support the strike do so for different reasons. My not-so-secret wish is that ASUU succeeds so much in getting their (our) entitlements from government that more smart young bloods decide that lecturing is worth it after all.

The only way we're going to kick out the bad lecturers (if they exist grin ) is by being able to attract and *retain* smarter young ones. So, no worries, even if it is this old-kargo generation of inept lecturers that first get the windfall, soon enough, that same windfall will lead to our (their!) downfall, as aggressive, smart, hungry new graduates come into the system. At least, that's the way it goes in one of my favorite dreams...

[b]Let's hope for the best but i strongly suggest that the tuition fee should be reviewed, I think it is the best solution to the under funding problem and it will go a long way for both the University and potential graduates. The Nigeria job market is over saturated already with these educated illiterate graduates who went to the University because their friends went to the University and because it is CHEAP and they can pay RUNZ (No offence intended but I haven't forgotten the PhD student of UNILAG who used magnet polarity to prove that gay marriage is wrong... lol). And on the other hand, lecturers should please STOP this RUNZ thing. Employees now look at Nigerian University certificates as if it is toilet paper. Because they cannot trust or guarantee who really worked hard for the grade they achieved.

Every academic year, multinational companies like (Shell, Exon Mobil, KPJ specialist hospital, GSK etc.) hire booth from our student association just to convince potential graduate to come work with them, meanwhile, in Nigeria the reverse is the case.

The first time i saw ALMIGHTY SHELL in a booth trying to convince potential graduates of a prosperous career with them, my jaw dropped and i was really angry cos i thought about how Nigerians stress and walk from one company to another for employment opportunities. But what happened to our educational system Prof? How come it deteriorated to this level?[/b]
Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by ChiziDaniels(m): 10:36pm On Oct 22, 2013
"Part of the agreement dwelt on funding of universities where both parties agreed that each federal university should get at least N1.5trillion between 2009 and 2011 while state universities, within the same period, should receive N3.6 million per student."

This is outrageously ridiculous!
ASUU MUST BE OUT OF THEIR MINDS....[b][/b]
Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by awodman: 10:54pm On Oct 22, 2013
And I ask Prof Femi the recent proposal of N200 billion+TETFUND grant and the extra N10 billion for earned allowances is that not a good step towards addressing this issues?

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Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by tundeism: 11:07pm On Oct 22, 2013
Promhize: God punish this idiots. I was almost supporting them but on a second thought, this guys are greedy old men, destroying students lives with no sense of regret.

Why can't they just sue the FG since it was an agreement, wait let me guess, they don't want to spend their money, but they can waste students lives without twitching an eye.

We always blame FG, but these lecturers are as worse as the politicians themselves, I can bet that over 40% (esp Professors, Dr) are not in Nigeria as we are speaking, we complain that our politicians children aren't schooling in Nigeria but these greedy men are not different, even the son of Ondo state's deputy governor schools at OAU - tell me why he would want to send any of his children to FG universities later.

I just don't understand, this idiots are fighting for their pockets - for bigger offices, ac fitted - not students. I school in OAU and I'm not complaining, in-fact, no student is complaining. OAU increased Acceptance fee from 2000naira to 20,000naira, a whooping 1000% increase, when we students protested they advised us to stop and called us all sorts.

No lecturer supported students. For Pre-degree programme, the fee is over 150thousand naira, to write post utme, you'd have to pay over 3000naira, to check you'd have to pay over 3000naira, pls where do you think all these money is going to. Its not like we are given free food or learning materials.

This lecturers sit in AC tight offices, travel anyhow even during school semesters all in the name of research, the same lecturers fighting for students will come back from trips in the middle of semesters and give students only course outline and ask us to go learn ourselves.

Same lecturers demanded more than once that their retirement age be extended when millions of graduates are out of work. They want allowance because they are teaching more than 1 course, these same men and women of no reputable standard went to school on scholarship, with free food, books, and so on.

Damn ASUU and their sympathisers. They sit in AC tight offices with numerous gadgets when ordinary ceiling fans in students room aren't working.
They collect hundreds of millions in different fees but must new classrooms in OAU are built by Private companies and individuals such as first bank, I bet the rest are from FG funds.

I WILL NOT STOP UNTIL EVERYONE KNOWS THAT EVEN THOUGH FG IS CORRUPT, THESE LECTURERS ARE NOT ANY BETTER.
Damn you and Jonadatf, can't just imagine dat anyone cud be supporting our govt over ASUU. Its unfortunate sha
Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by tbagjames(m): 11:20pm On Oct 22, 2013
HNosegbe: The part of the agreement I don't understand is one that talks about FG funding of state universities. That doesn't make sense to me - why can't states fund their own universities appropriately, or design creative financing options?

Oh well, the government signed an agreement. Let them abide by it.
If my brain hasnt failed me my lecturer told us in one of our law classes that agreements can be modified by both parties. That of AS** should not be an exception. Sorry, ASUU now carries asterisk because its an offensive word to the ears .
Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by Excelj: 11:34pm On Oct 22, 2013
I have followed every single post and comments on this topic and I observed that there's this particular person who feels he's pretty exposed enough to stand on his points. Goes by the name prof femi. I wouldn't be surprised because he's working with those trolls that have kept us at home. Bros, you no dey try seriously. I studied in UAM and I would tell you that all but a few of the lecturers in my department were total waste of individuals. They would speak English like you do and end up calling us dummies then leave the class and threaten us with exams. "we'll see in the exam" and we would wonder if we are in school to learn or just to write exams and graduate. Government has agreed to fund the universities, so why can't the trolls just cut the crap and let this go.... Ow! I forgot earned allowances? Yeah students are supposed to gain from that too. Bunch of greedy men... Prof femi I know say na your own you want too. Keep dragging points with students... Oshi. That's for insulting a student in an earlier post.

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Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by IceArmani(m): 11:59pm On Oct 22, 2013
When to elephants (ASUU & FG) fights, the grass (students) suffer it. All these are for selfish interests and I'm sorry, I doesn't help marters.
Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by chreldb(m): 12:02am On Oct 23, 2013
rudedough:

Not just "highly subsidized" but over-subsidized to almost free.

I'm a student of the University of Nottingham and i challenge Nigerians to check how much local students pay for education.

Local students pay - N2,315,918.92
International students - N4,248,424.59

So please gullible Nigerians shouldn't be deceived by these "SUBSIDIZED" theories. If you live or have lived abroad you should know better and don't forget that they pay all sorts of taxes and tolls, and that is why the Govt. can subsidize their education. Do we?[/b]


Are you in UP, SB or KM. You dig?
Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by Nobody: 12:10am On Oct 23, 2013
chreld_b:


Are you in UP, SB or KM. You dig?

No I don't, dig me... lol I'm in UNMC not UNUK but I'm gonna be there next summer as a transfer student. MPharm - 2 years UNMC 2 years UNUK
Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by chreldb(m): 1:33am On Oct 23, 2013
rudedough:

No I don't, dig me... lol I'm in UNMC not UNUK

OK no probs. I attended UONUK. All na still the same wheteher UK or Malay.... still world top 75... lol. Cheers
Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by Demdem(m): 2:50am On Oct 23, 2013
Ninapha: maybe an essay would help u more. What do u consider to be an agreement? Were they employed to intimidate the students? How many times hv they said to a studnet, u will only graduate when i so wish. How many times hv a student won his/her case against them before the senate even when it is glaring they faulted? What are they teaching/lecturing sef? Ppl who lecture same thing year in year out. Now because they believe its Jonathan, every Johnbull can protest. Sadists.

Ask me their agreement with the students again, it is to keep them at home for months for whatever reason they believe!


That bad eggs exists in all professions is a fact and ASUU can't be an exception. Ur rants up there made no sense. Infact one of the demands of ASUU talks about how the university system should be run against what is current and surely all these challenges were considered.
Again I state, they have no agreement with students. Instead they are paid by the govt to teach u all.

Even at that, it doesn't invalidates their signed agreement with their employers. That is the main issue and and not bad lecturers.
Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by Demdem(m): 2:56am On Oct 23, 2013
awodman: And I ask Prof Femi the recent proposal of N200 billion+TETFUND grant and the extra N10 billion for earned allowances is that not a good step towards addressing this issues?

What useless step? Implement agreement and forget steps. Why should that be difficult. Don't change goal post after game is on.
Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by Truetalk(m): 4:11am On Oct 23, 2013
When two elephants (FG VS ASUU) fights, the grass (Students) suffers. It's a pity what these people re doing to the future of the youths..my understanding about the whole situation is that, the hunters are scared of been hunted...The FG has a mindset that there are some group of people who are waiting to misuse the money all in the name of agreement.because. It is not that they don't have that kind of money because if they don't , they won't sign the agreement in the first place. Truth be told most of the projects listed has a 50-70% chance of been built to finish even after the money is released..They make us belief what they want while they go behind closed doors to restrategize. For the time being my advise for the affected student is to look for something new to learn and just be busy if not you would find out that you begin t involve yourself in some domestic crimes.
Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by mjizzie(m): 5:49am On Oct 23, 2013
Youngzedd:

I tire for them.
so? Who is fighting for it
Re: ASUU & FG's 2009 Agreement by ibro4mk: 6:22am On Oct 23, 2013
This FG nawa for them sef.

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