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Re: Do You Believe The Bible As God's Word?[b] by Tasma: 11:59am On Sep 05, 2008 |
Udyro: Are you sure about this? Why don't you try googling "Bible History" or "Bible modifications" for instance. You should come up with quite a bit of reading material. |
Re: Do You Believe The Bible As God's Word?[b] by mazaje(m): 12:14pm On Sep 05, 2008 |
The bible is the word of men(priest, rulers, phylosophers,criminals,politicians etc) it is not the word of any god but hmm it could be because god is imaginary. If you’ve elected to read the preceding selections in this manuscript, you will have noticed that I often refer to the first five books of the Bible as the Pentateuch. In Greek, the term simply means “five volumes.” Scholars often refer to Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy using this collective term because many of our predecessors erroneously assumed for over 2000 years that Moses personally wrote the books. Knowledge gained through modern scholarship and research, however, allows us to ascertain the logical impossibility of this scenario being true. More than likely, the Pentateuch is the work of several individuals, all of whom lived well after the stories they present and had varying oral traditions of how those events unfolded. Because of this societal concoction, the earliest recorded history of the Jews is afflicted with oft-erratic variance. |
Re: Do You Believe The Bible As God's Word?[b] by Udyro(f): 4:41pm On Sep 05, 2008 |
mazaje: if u know why human cells deteriorate and start decaying after 70 - 80 years and eventually stop functioning, showing the person is dead, u wont doubt the existence of the God of the Bible. ur quote is a waste of page, try someting else. |
Re: Do You Believe The Bible As God's Word?[b] by Lady2(f): 6:18pm On Sep 05, 2008 |
No. If you take a look at the god of extremists and fundamentalists, you'll see that he is the same as the jealous, murdering, war-mongering, arrogant, insane god of the Old Testament. WHAT PLEASE O GOD HAS NEVER BEEN AN ARROGANT, MURDERING, WAR-MONGERING, INSANE GOD OF THE OLD TESTAMENT. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!111 Are you sure about this? Why don't you try googling "Bible History" or "Bible modifications" for instance. You should come up with quite a bit of reading material. Maybe you don't seem to understand what 'translation' means. |
Re: Do You Believe The Bible As God's Word?[b] by Bastage: 7:02pm On Sep 05, 2008 |
I can only assume you're joking with both comments. If you've read the Old Testament you see a god who encourages the Hebrews to destroy cities, kill every man there and take away and rape every woman. Damn girl, he even advocates the killing of children. So he's not a murderer? Those are the acts of a "sane" god? You want the passages, no problem, I can post them. There are a lot of them though so I'll just give you a few. Kill Children Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB) Kill Men, Women, and Children "Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT) God Kills Babies And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT) Kill Old Men and Young Women "You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26) More Rape and Baby Killing Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT) And that's just for starters!!! There are pages and pages of literature that show the Old Testament god was a slavering maniac. As for translations!!! Yes there have been many translations (I've already said that) but changing one English word to another is not a translation - it is a modification. |
Re: Do You Believe The Bible As God's Word?[b] by mazaje(m): 7:45pm On Sep 05, 2008 |
Bastage: The problem is that christains do not read the bible, they only cherry pick what ever the want, the old testament god is the worst creature you can ever think of. here are some of his atrocities and evil deeds. In the meeting among Moses, Aaron, and the Pharaoh, God doesn’t want his Israelites to go free without a fight. Instead, God instructs Moses and Aaron on exactly what steps to take so that the Pharaoh will initially become too stubborn to allow the people to leave. Obviously, God only wants an excuse to “bring forth [his] armies” against Egypt in order to punish the entire country for the decisions of one man to hold his chosen people as slaves (Exodus 7:1-14). The plagues that God carried out against Egypt as a result of the Pharaoh’s decision were turning the river to blood; sending an abundance of frogs, lice, locusts, and flies; killing every cow belonging to the people; inflicting boils upon all the citizens; creating a hailstorm to destroy their crops; instituting three days of darkness; and killing the firstborn male child in every household across the country. The darkness, boils, frogs, lice, locusts, and flies were quite punishing, but they wouldn’t necessarily ruin anyone’s life. The cattle slaughter, river of blood, and downpour of hail ruined the Egyptians’ sole water and food sources. Worst of all, God once again feels the necessity to eradicate thousands more innocent babies, children, and animals because one man was too stubborn to free his slaves. God’s episodes of murdering innocent individuals for the faults of their leaders, fathers, or other ancestors are not uncommon in the Old Testament. Jephthah asks for God’s assistance in killing the children of Ammon and promises him the first person out of his house upon his return as a burnt sacrifice if he will agree to aid with the massacre. God concurs and lethally delivers the children of Ammon into Jephthah’s hands. When Jephthah returns, his daughter, an only child, makes her way outside to welcome him home. Two months later, Jephthah regretfully fulfills his promise by burning his daughter as a sacrifice to God (Judges 11:29-39). Why would God allow a man to offer an innocent person as a reward unless God also intended for certain people to be mere possessions? While David is King, he decides to conduct a census: a horrendous sin in God’s eyes. As punishment for his poor decision, he is to select among seven years of famine, three months of fleeing from his enemies, and three days of pestilence. Unable to choose from the offered catastrophes, God picks the three days of pestilence that result in the deaths of 70,000 men. Women and children weren’t mentioned, not that the Bible considered them to have any real value in the first place. Again, God murders enough people to fill a sizable city for the “sin” of one man. David subsequently cries out to God and asks him why he wants to murder innocent people who had nothing to do with the decision to execute a census. Of course God doesn’t provide an impossible answer for this sensible question, but his reasons scarcely seem morally or ethically justifiable (2 Samuel 24:10-17) Instead of directly murdering people or using his followers to execute similar commands, the apparently insatiable God begins sending animals to kill those who displease him. On one occasion, he has a lion kill a man because he refuses to hit someone (1 Kings 20:35). God sends his lions out again to kill a group of people who were new to Samaria. The reason for this atrocity is their lack of worship, even though they were never informed of the proper worship methods (2 Kings 17:24-26). However, this supposedly insignificant detail didn’t halt God from killing them. He had to have known that he would eventually murder this party, but instead of properly instructing them, God just kills them. There’s not even a miniscule resemblance of justice in the Hebrew god. In an exploit of inconceivable irrationality, God sends forth two bears to kill forty-two children for making fun of Elisha’s bald head (2 Kings 2:23-24). Why would the omnibenevolent God feel the necessity to have two bears viciously maul little children for acting like…children? This is supposed to be the same “wonderful” and “loving” God who promises us eternal life, but an entity capable of these inane activities could certainly change his mind and banish all of his worshippers to Hell. Christians never have to justify such passages because, of course, they never read them! There are soooooooo many others these are just a few. . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
Re: Do You Believe The Bible As God's Word?[b] by mazaje(m): 7:46pm On Sep 05, 2008 |
Udyro: What about the god of the koran? why is'nt he god? |
Re: Do You Believe The Bible As God's Word?[b] by Nobody: 7:51pm On Sep 05, 2008 |
mazaje: go put up a thread in the islam section and ask the muslims eh. I see hypocrites like you only prefer to offer silly questions like that here. |
Re: Do You Believe The Bible As God's Word?[b] by Nobody: 7:52pm On Sep 05, 2008 |
mazaje: he isnt any worse than the one in the quran. I dont see you telling the muslims that. hypocrisy is truly a disease. I dont blame you . . . |
Re: Do You Believe The Bible As God's Word?[b] by mazaje(m): 8:03pm On Sep 05, 2008 |
davidylan: So now its the muslims that are they problem abi? its the moslem that are responsible for all the killing and atrocities that were commited and carried out by the manovalent hebrew god in the old testament abi? keep on grasping at straws. Visit www.kanoonline.com and see my post on the religious section i have been banned there uncountable times for my attack on the equally evil, dangerous and manovalent allah, stop talking about things you don't know. by the way what is the difference between allah and the god of the old testament? The answer is nada, they are both the same. I know you find those killings and bloodshed lurid and difficult to comphrehend, instead you try to blame allah(who is no better) and moslems for all the evil deeds of the hebrew god that were recorded in the bible. |
Re: Do You Believe The Bible As God's Word?[b] by Nobody: 8:15pm On Sep 05, 2008 |
mazaje: That is your own conclusion, i never said so. |
Re: Do You Believe The Bible As God's Word?[b] by mazaje(m): 9:07pm On Sep 05, 2008 |
some more myths and jargons from the bible . . . . . . . Two additional stories in Genesis seem relevant to about every topic we cover: Noah and Babel. During Noah’s flood, God kills almost the entire world population of humans and animals because the people are evil. Why would an omniscient god lack the common sense to get his creation right the first time so that he isn’t required to redo everything? Afterwards, he promises to never do it again because humans are evil (Genesis 8:21). As stated before, God admits that the flood solved nothing. Several years later, groups of people assemble to build a tower so that they can see God in Heaven. Since God doesn’t like this seemingly impossible idea of people spotting him, he confuses their language to cease construction on the tower (Genesis 11:1-. The people may not have realized that God didn’t actually live on top of a dome over the earth, but God should have been aware of this information for obvious reasons. We’ve looked deep into space with telescopes, but God didn’t stop us on those endeavors. Why would he think that these primitive people could see him? Is this when he moved from the earth’s dome to the outer boundaries of the universe? What about all the other authors who claim to have caught a glimpse of God? The Tower of Babel myth is definitely one of the most absurd stories ever told. Even so, a good portion of the world still ignorantly accepts it as truth. That’s a shame, too. Later in Genesis, God asks himself if he should hide his plans for destroying Sodom from Abraham (Genesis 18:17). Why would God not know what he’s going to do, and how could Abraham’s knowledge of the matter have any possible outcome on God’s ultimate decision to exercise his infinite power? On the other hand, perhaps God has good reason to worry since its has already been established that he isn’t all-knowing or all-powerful as the Bible claims. When God is preparing to go on another murdering spree, he tells the people of Israel to smear blood on their doors so that he’ll know which homes are occupied by his chosen people (Exodus 12:13). With this directive completed, he’s free to kill all the Egyptian firstborn male children without accidentally harming an Israelite, but why does he need blood on the doors to serve as a reminder if he knows everything? Jonah, like Cain before him, was able to leave the presence of God (Jonah 1:3). According to Zephaniah, God will search through Jerusalem with lamps and find people who scoff at him (1:12). Why would God need lamps to see in the dark? Judges 1:19 says that God was with the men of Judah in a battle, yet they couldn’t drive out the enemies because the other side was riding upon chariots of iron. If God is with someone, shouldn’t this person be able to do the miracles that every other God-accompanied individual performs? Honestly, did authors bother to proofread their work centuries ago? |
Re: Do You Believe The Bible As God's Word?[b] by Bastage: 9:09pm On Sep 05, 2008 |
what is the difference between allah and the god of the old testament? The answer is nada, they are both the same. You've got it in one, brother. They are exactly the same god. Christianity used the Old Testament god to sell it's new religion to it's prospective followers and Islam did exactly the same. The difference is that the Christian god adapted and changed whereas the Islamic and Judaic god did not. |
Re: Do You Believe The Bible As God's Word?[b] by mazaje(m): 9:29pm On Sep 05, 2008 |
More rubbish and jargons from the bible. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Since I couldn’t think of a way to categorize so many of the biblical absurdities that I wanted to include, we’ll just take a blitzkrieg approach at covering them. Abraham has a picnic with God (Genesis 18:1-. Lot’s wife is turned into salt for looking at the destruction of a city (Genesis 19:26). Jacob wrestles with God and defeats him (Genesis 32:24-30). God becomes a burning bush while talking with Moses (Exodus 3:3-4) and has intentions to murder Moses’ son because he wasn’t circumcised (Exodus 4:24-26). God will kill Aaron if he goes to minister without wearing a golden bell and blue pomegranates (Exodus 28:31-35). God says that we can purify a person with leprosy by killing a bird, putting the bird’s blood on another bird, killing a lamb, wiping the lamb blood on the leper, and killing two doves (Leviticus 14) why does god hate sick people, women that are menstrating or women that have given birth?. A storm is stopped because Jonah is tossed into the sea (Jonah 1:15). God says that he will eat some people like a lion (Hosea 13:. God stands on a wall and hangs a plumb line in front of Amos (Amos 7:7-. This people-eating god decides to reveal himself to Amos via a plumb line demonstration but not to all the people currently killing each other over who is holding his true book! God says that Joshua’s army can destroy the city walls of Jericho by marching around them and blowing horns (Joshua 6). Wine makes God/Gods happy, or at least that’s what the vine says (Judges 9:13). Samson claims his strength originates from his long hair (Judges 16:17). David buys Saul’s daughter with two hundred foreskins (1 Samuel 18:27) this is very ridiculious and absurd to say the least. People who don’t believe in a god fail to do anything good (Psalms 14:1, 53:1). People are cured from their illnesses by touching Paul’s handkerchiefs and aprons (Acts 19:12). It’s wrong for christains to take a dispute into court (1 Corinthians 6:6-7).Anyone who doesn’t confess Christ is an antichrist who deceives others (2 John 1:7). If you don’t repent your sins, Jesus will attack you with the sword in his mouth (Revelation 2:16). As a way of discerning people, the righteous eat all they want while the wicked don’t have anything to eat (Proverbs 13:25). What correlation does eating have with faith? Are Ethiopians wicked? Is that why God allows thousands of them to die every day? |
Re: Do You Believe The Bible As God's Word?[b] by Tasma: 9:42pm On Sep 05, 2008 |
Udyro: Udyro, Udyro what exactly does this post mean? Yes we'll all live for a while and then die, how in anyway does this fact prove the existence of the Biblical God? Instead of taking such a combative stance why not just try to read the different posts and links under this topic and then make your own informed decisions. Some of the posts are quite long but I'm sure you can cover them over time. |
Re: Do You Believe The Bible As God's Word?[b] by ejighikeme: 11:28pm On Sep 05, 2008 |
Bible is a book written by people under the leading of the Holy spirit, that is they are inspired by the holy spirit.It is not like other secular books with edition,God's words remain the same,it can only be translated but not edited.The holy bible says that the canal man cannot understand the things of the spirit,so the problem we are having is the interpretation of the words.Therefore one should allow the holy spirit to interpret the words. |
Re: Do You Believe The Bible As God's Word?[b] by mazaje(m): 11:49pm On Sep 05, 2008 |
Bastage: you have said it all. the biblical god changed with humanity while allah and the jewish god are still lagging behind. ejighikeme: Carnal mind abi. . . . . . . . . . . . . . can you use the holy spirit to explain or justify all the killings, enslavement and looting that were commanded by the hebrew god and his footsoldiers(prophets) in the old testament? or can you use the holy spirit to explain all the scientific and historical errors that were being recorded in the bible? |
Re: Do You Believe The Bible As God's Word?[b] by bawomolo(m): 2:20am On Sep 06, 2008 |
the Bible is only being 'translated' as u said into many languages of the world, more than any other books. if the bible is only being 'translated' why do the mormons, catholics, greek orthodox's and protestants have different versions. if u know why human cells deteriorate and start decaying after 70 - 80 years and eventually stop functioning, showing the person is dead, u wont doubt the existence of the God of the Bible. so cellular biology proves God's existence. where and when do we handle your nobel peace prize and congressional medal of honour God's words remain the same yeah he/she/it just did a lil flip-flop with the new testament. |
Re: Do You Believe The Bible As God's Word?[b] by JIL(m): 4:17am On Sep 07, 2008 |
I sometimes cringe when I see the comments Nigerians make about God. I thought Nigerians were supposed to be religious. I am aware that a lot of people in this forum don't believe in God. I respect that but to go to the extent of raining insults on the Almighty is deplorably sad. Atheists are the most ignorant people on earth. They don't know who they are, where they are coming from or where they will go when they die. How can such group of ignoramus make statements about what they know nothing about. I am not here to defend God because He is able to defend himself. However, remember that you will give account of every word that you make not only against your Creator, who you wickedly, foolishly and ignorantly fail to acknowledge, but also against his creations- Christians, Muslims, Buddhist, traditionalists and even other atheists. We all know so little about God and should appreciate that we lack the capacity to fully understand God in this imperfect and sinful life. Is like trying to make an ant understand C++. But we should hold strong to the very little that we know and believe that He is what He says He is. This is called Faith. In the here-after, when you meet face-to-face with Him, there will be ample opportunity to raise any issue you have with him. |
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