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Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by Nobody: 11:57am On Nov 24, 2013
National carrier inauguration: Oduah presents 20-yr-old plane to Jonathan



•Inaugural refurbished aircraft is over 20 years old (Boeing 737-400 5N-BLC)
•A combination of Air Nigeria and Aero Contractor
•Airline is named Nigeria Eagle (former name of Air Nigeria)


Minister of Aviation, Princess Stella Oduah is set to present the new national carrier to President Goodluck Jonathan today in spite of glaring adequacies in the arrangement.

This is coming on the heels of the scandal which trailed the acquisition of two armoured cars for the minister by the Nigerian Civil Aviation Authority, NCAA, at hyper-inflated rate of N255m.

Sunday Mirror authoritatively learnt yesterday that preparations are in top gear to present to President Jonathan today a refurbished aircraft of over 20 years old as one of the airplanes for the national carrier.

Investigations by our correspondent revealed that the aircraft, a Boeing 737-400 with the registration number 5N-BLC was parked at the Execu Jet, a private maintenance hangar facility at the Murtala Mohammed International Airport, MMIA, Lagos having arrived in the country on Tuesday night. The aircraft, our correspondent gathered, was one of the old aircraft formerly operated by Air Nigeria.

It was also gathered that the Ministry of Aviation had changed the name of the proposed national carrier from ‘Nigeria One’ to ‘Nigeria Eagle’, the name previously used by Air Nigeria before it was changed. In the new national carrier, Air Nigeria’s (Nigeria Eagle) fleet is expected to combine with the fleet of another airline, Aero Contractor.

Aero presently has about 12 aircraft in its fleet while Air Nigeria before it suspended operations equally had about 12 aircraft.

Our correspondent gathered that apart from the combination of the two airlines, about 10 other aircraft have been booked with Bombardier Aircraft Manufacturing Company based in Brazil by the government. The delivery of the 10 aircraft is expected to commence from March 2014.

Oduah had told aviation stakeholders and professionals that the proposed national carrier would be handled by private investors while government would only provide enabling environment for the investors.

With this latest information, the investors behind the new carrier are still shrouded in mystery just as the equity ratio of government and the investors in the national carrier.

Also, the routes allocation to the carrier is still shrouded in secrecy as the government has kept mute on the deal. Attempts to contact the Special Assistant, Media to the minister, Mr. Joe Obi, proved abortive as his mobile lines could not connect.

Also, a text message to his phone was not returned to our correspondent.

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Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by theoctopus: 12:03pm On Nov 24, 2013
Stop these your attacks on Oduah! It will only make you guys look more silly. You are making it too glaring that it is a campaign of hate. The new carrier is taking off with 20 planes, not 1. So this news is crap!

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Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by gurnam: 12:03pm On Nov 24, 2013
I hope that top Govt officials will be mandated to fly this airline for all official travels....

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Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by iterator25: 12:10pm On Nov 24, 2013
sad smh
Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by Nobody: 12:10pm On Nov 24, 2013
gurnam: I hope that top Govt officials will be mandated to fly this airline for all official travels....

Indeed. In fact, we need to go the whole hog and scrap the presidential fleet in favour of these hand-me-down aircrafts.

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Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by gurnam: 12:26pm On Nov 24, 2013
eGuerrilla:

Indeed. In fact, we need to go the whole hog and scrap the presidential fleet in favour of these hand-me-down aircrafts.

That is the only way to give maximum confidence to the flying public....and ensure the operational integrity of those aircraft...even if the tickets have to be priced at a premium.
Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by Nobody: 12:28pm On Nov 24, 2013
So when jimoh ibrahim said he'll be back sometime last year, he had Nigerian Eagle in mind.

For oduah's and most especially Jonathan's sakes I hope this venture works.
Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by Ngwakwe: 12:47pm On Nov 24, 2013
20 years old aircraft can be new aircraft depending on approved standards.

What has been the rate of usage?

Refurbished or/and Upgraded?

Were the Engines changed with new types?

Extended Maintenance should be the keyword.

The problem with some peeps is their literal interpretation of the word Refurbish and Upgrade.

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Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by iterator25: 12:53pm On Nov 24, 2013
I don't like their choice of font , However, the tail region is awesome
Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by Gistboy: 12:58pm On Nov 24, 2013
Odua: One of the few ministers that keep bringing positive changes in their respective sectors yet haterz are having sleepless night because of her.

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Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by Nobody: 12:59pm On Nov 24, 2013
A 20 year old aircraft previously owned by United Airlines and then Siberia Airlines cannot be considered 'new' by any stretch of the imagination.
Mind you, with the way the Nigerian mind is conditioned, it is understandable that we set the bar so low. angry

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Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by Tolexander: 1:01pm On Nov 24, 2013
Well, it depends on the state of the aircraft and the degree of the maintainance.

Age may not really matter if it was properly and well maintained!

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Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by gurnam: 1:06pm On Nov 24, 2013
Tolexander: Well, it depends on the state of the aircraft and the degree of the maintainance.

Age may not really matter if it was properly and well maintained!

No matter how good you maintain it....a 20 yrs old aircraft can't be the same as a new aircraft...that is common sense.

Are we saying Nigeria cannot afford to buy brand new aircrafts for the new national carrier.

Why must they always set the standard low when it concerns other Nigerians...but will go for the best money can buy from any part of the world when the thieving elites are involved?

Are we not humans like them?

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Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by Nobody: 1:16pm On Nov 24, 2013
Tolexander: Well, it depends on the state of the aircraft and the degree of the maintainance.

Age may not really matter if it was properly and well maintained!

It is one thing to debate the maintenance regime and renewal cycle of an aircraft that has been in the service of the same airline for a contiguous period of 20 years but quite another to pontificate about one that has changed hands multiple times, I think.

Given the turn of events in Nigeria's aviation industry in recent years, do we not owe it to ourselves to be absolutely clear about the standards we expect from our new national carrier?
Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by nduchucks: 1:20pm On Nov 24, 2013
Ngwakwe: 20 years old aircraft can be new aircraft depending on approved standards.

What has been the rate of usage?

Refurbished or/and Upgraded?

Were the Engines changed with new types?

Extended Maintenance should be the keyword.

The problem with some peeps is their literal interpretation of the word Refurbish and Upgrade.

You wrote that "20 years old aircraft can be new aircraft depending on approved standards", but i submit to you that a brand new aircraft beats a refurbished one, anyday, as long as we are talking about the same model of aircraft. Why refurbish instead of just buying new ones.

This kind of justification of mediocrity was highly unexpected of you. I am disappointed.

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Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by Tolexander: 1:24pm On Nov 24, 2013
gurnam:

No matter how good you maintain it....a 20 yrs old aircraft can't be the same as a new aircraft...that is common sense.

Are we saying Nigeria cannot afford to buy brand new aircrafts for the new national carrier.

Why must they always set the standard low when it concerns other Nigerians...but will go for the best money can buy from any part of the world when the thieving elites are involved?

Are we not humans like them?
ya!
You made sense!

I understand you are talking base on the antecedence of the woman!

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Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by Tolexander: 1:30pm On Nov 24, 2013
eGuerrilla:

It is one thing to debate the maintenance regime and renewal cycle of an aircraft that has been in the service of the same airline for a contiguous period of 20 years but quite another to pontificate about one that has changed hands multiple times, I think.

Given the turn of events in Nigeria's aviation industry in recent years, do we not owe it to ourselves to be absolutely clear about the standards we expect from our new national carrier?
touché!
Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by gurnam: 1:33pm On Nov 24, 2013
Tolexander: ya!
You made sense!

I understand you are talking base on the antecedence of the woman!

Definitely .....

If they can afford to buy brand new fleet of luxury cars to feed their insane appetite for outrageous affluence, then it shouldn't be out of place to demand that they give the new national carrier brand new aircrafts.

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Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by ChimaAgbalajob: 1:37pm On Nov 24, 2013
The aviation hawks bent on denying Nigeria a national carrier are already on it, spewing their deceit.
Anyone trying to help Nigeria become a normal country must be framed with intent of corruption and insulted.
The plane being showed is an Aero Contractor plane painted in the insigna of the new national carrier. Former Aero contractor airlines forms part of the new national carrier.

Nigeria a land of dead corpses.I have come to truly hate some Nigerians.

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Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by gurnam: 1:38pm On Nov 24, 2013
ndu_chucks:

You wrote that "20 years old aircraft can be new aircraft depending on approved standards", but i submit to you that a brand new aircraft beats a refurbished one, anyday, as long as we are talking about the same model of aircraft. Why refurbish instead of just buying new ones.

This kind of justification of mediocrity was highly unexpected of you. I am disappointed.

He believed by default that the thread is targeted at the aviation Minister.....so by reflex, he must defend her by justifying the old aircrafts.

I wonder if he is a bit concerned about the safety issues raised.,....he is gradually falling into the pit of dirty tribalism, the only thing he is not doing yet is personal insult.

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Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by Nobody: 1:42pm On Nov 24, 2013
theoctopus: Stop these your attacks on Oduah! It will only make you guys look more silly. You are making it too glaring that it is a campaign of hate. The new carrier is taking off with 20 planes, not 1. So this news is crap!
I think you are the silly one here. Who's talking of 20 planes the carrier is going to have? If a 20 years old plane can be used as an exhibition, lord knows how many old planes will be used as flying coffins in the "Nigeria Eagle" fleet.

I do not wish for any plane crash to happen in the future. embarassed

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Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by Nobody: 1:45pm On Nov 24, 2013
Ngwakwe: 20 years old aircraft can be new aircraft depending on approved standards.

What has been the rate of usage?

Refurbished or/and Upgraded?

Were the Engines changed with new types?

Extended Maintenance should be the keyword.

The problem with some peeps is their literal interpretation of the word Refurbish and Upgrade.
You obviously think the strength of a refurbished Aircraft is the same as a refurbished car? Try to make sense when commenting.

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Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by Nobody: 2:04pm On Nov 24, 2013
gramci:

** When is an aircraft too old?


July 1, 2000 By Bruce Landsberg

Both aircraft and people require more maintenance as they grow old. As our general aviation fleet ages, pilots often ask when the useful life of an aircraft is over. The easy answer is when the economics of maintenance exceed the value of the airplane. But many of us don't fly based on economics alone and will continue to maintain an airplane well beyond fiscal feasibility. All that matters is that the airworthiness be maintained. Occasionally, however, there are owners who attempt to take more out of a machine than is safe without the requisite maintenance investment, and that can lead to accidents.

Airliners and business jets are built with a certain number of cycles in mind. A cycle is usually defined as a pressurization and depressurization of the cabin. There is no doubt that pumping up the cabin puts more stress on an airframe than does unpressurized flying. It was the catastrophic failure of the cabin roof of an elderly Boeing 737 that alerted the airline maintenance community to this problem. But what about unpressurized aircraft? The DC-3 has flown for more than 60 years, and many light aircraft soldier on after age 40.

Corrosion is a constant problem for aluminum aircraft. If they have not been internally corrosion-proofed and are operated in a wet or salty environment, they will rot much faster than in a dry climate. A business colleague flew a high-time (more than 10,000 hours) Piper Arrow for nearly a decade after it had been a trainer on the Florida coast for a number of years. My friend's steady diet of liver and onions also may have contributed to a corrosive atmosphere inside the cabin that led to an earlier demise of the aircraft. At the last annual inspection the maintenance technician could no longer sign off the old bird without extensive and expensive repairs, so the Arrow became an organ donor with her serviceable parts going to more viable machines. She was deemed unairworthy before becoming unsafe.

I've spent much of my flight time in mature aircraft and they can be perfectly serviceable, but only when the owner is willing to invest substantial sums. The best philosophy is to replace certain items on a regular basis whether they need it or not. Batteries, for example, are good for about three years. Vacuum pumps will generally last for about 500 hours, and fuel tank bladders or cells will generally last 10 to 15 years, provided they are maintained properly. There are always exceptions to average life spans — shorter and longer. Beech, in the pilot's operating handbook for the newest Baron model, listed the life span of the vacuum pumps at 600 hours. All time-limited components ought to be listed where the pilot can easily find the information.

Engines have a defined life, and there are several variables that can affect their longevity. Frequent use is beneficial, since there can be a tendency for the cylinders to rust. Moisture in the air corrodes the interior cylinder wall, which then abrades the piston rings, resulting in high oil consumption. This by itself will not lead to engine failure, but eventually the engine will lose power. There are special cylinder treatments to reduce this, but aircraft are built to fly — so why not enjoy it and help your engine out at the same time? Time between overhauls, or TBO, is recommended by the manufacturer but is not considered mandatory for Part 91 operations. The engine is the part of an aircraft most prone to failure because it is the most complex and under the most stress. In every safety review that ASF has done on a specific model of light aircraft, the engine is at least twice as likely to be the cause of or a factor in an accident than other aircraft-related causes.

An old aircraft can be partially rejuvenated by simply dropping in a replacement engine. It gets challenging when parts are no longer obtainable to overhaul the engine. A good machine shop and mechanic are invaluable then, and the cost will assuredly increase. The engine, of course, is not the only item that wears out.

Do accidents increase as the fleet ages? As a general rule, no. If we look at accidents that were caused by real mechanical failure and not where the pilot mismanaged the fuel or forgot to add oil, the trend appears to be slightly downward. According to the AOPA Air Safety Foundation's database, there were 366 maintenance-related accidents in 1983 and 235 in 1998. Recognizing that the estimate of hours flown is just an estimate, the rate through the years hovers around 1.07 accidents per 100,000 hours flown. This works out to about 14 percent of the annual accident total, with just the slightest downward trend. Fatal accidents due to mechanical engine failure have averaged about 2.5 per month in the past 16 years.


Read more:
http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/All-News/2000/July/1/When-is-an-aircraft-too-old

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Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by youngmonie: 2:06pm On Nov 24, 2013
THE EAGLE HAS LANDED!!.............ARIK IS STILLL THE BEST OPTION

http://news.sky.com/story/1170157/emirates-airlines-in-boeing-and-airbus-spree

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/17/us-airshow-dubai-idUSBRE9AF0DF20131117

cHAI AND MY OWN COUNTRY IS REPAIRING AND SPRAY PAINTING!!

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Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by Nobody: 2:07pm On Nov 24, 2013
^^ That is the position of EXPERTS in the field. Oya, all other ignoramuses should shut up already. The propagandists, speculators and mischief makers should take their NONSENSE elsewhere. Case closed!

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Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by Nobody: 2:18pm On Nov 24, 2013
Sincere 9gerian: ^^ That is the position of EXPERTS in the field. Oya, all other ignoramuses should shut up already. The propagandists, speculators and mischief makers should take their NONSENSE elsewhere. Case closed!
Mumu and Senseless talk as usual. Pftts!! angry

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Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by Nobody: 2:19pm On Nov 24, 2013
Sincere 9gerian: ^^ That is the position of EXPERTS in the field. Oya, all other ignoramuses should shut up already. The propagandists, speculators and mischief makers should take their NONSENSE elsewhere. Case closed!

What more could one expect from a dyed-in-the-wool sycophant for who no bridge is considered too far, in the race to the bottom? grin

But another expert opinion from the United States of America reported by Reuters stated that the Aviation authority in the United States are also concerned about the age of aircrafts and have commenced knowledgeable moves to introduce legislation which may propose age limits for commercial airplanes.

In the report published on Tuesday April 18th, 2006, we were informed basically that the United States' aviation regulators, Federal Aviation Authority [FAA] proposed for the first time operating limits for commercial aircraft to help avoid the most serious age-related metal fatigue cracks and other damage.

The change would exceed long-standing regulations on aging aircraft, mainly concerning maintenance, and apply to thousands of airliners already in service and those on the drawing board, a draft Federal Aviation Administration rule showed.

The FAA estimates the cost to industry at $360 million over 20 years. Plane makers like Boeing Company and Europe's Airbus would incur about 10 percent of this, while airlines and other operators would pay the rest.

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Russia could ban planes older than 20 years after crash

MOSCOW: Russian lawmakers on Wednesday called for a ban on planes built more than 20 years ago after a 23-year-old Boeing 737 operated by a regional airline crashed, killing all 50 passengers and crew.
Five lawmakers from the ruling party United Russia submitted amendments that would introduce a ban on “using civilian aircraft that were produced more than 20 years ago to carry out commercial flights.”

Source: http://www.nst.com.my/latest/russia-could-ban-planes-older-than-20-years-after-crash-1.407321

Why isn't the President flying in 20 year old aircrafts, huh?

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Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by Nobody: 2:29pm On Nov 24, 2013
5N-BLC AeroContractors Company of Nigeria Boeing 737-522 - cn 26692 / ln 2421

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Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by Italiano1: 2:39pm On Nov 24, 2013
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Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by awodman: 2:46pm On Nov 24, 2013

Our correspondent gathered that apart from the
combination of the two airlines, about 10 other aircraft
have been booked with Bombardier Aircraft
Manufacturing Company based in Brazil by the
government. The delivery of the 10 aircraft is expected
to commence from March 2014.

What is wrong with starting with what you have at the moment?...the bolded above shows clearly that new aircrafts will be added to the fleet come March 2014..then why exactly the hue and cry?...we all know aircrafts are not bought off shelf but pre-ordered...Pls our Journalists should spare us this idiotic sensationalisms

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Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by Nobody: 3:18pm On Nov 24, 2013
eGuerrilla:

What more could one expect from a dyed-in-the-wool sycophant for who no bridge is considered too far, in the race to the bottom? grin



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Source: http://www.nst.com.my/latest/russia-could-ban-planes-older-than-20-years-after-crash-1.407321

Why isn't the President flying in 20 year old aircrafts, huh?

APC chief propagandist, why are you focused on a single aircraft out of about 24 aircrafts which the proposed national carrier would take off with? Why are you not fixated on the 10 brand new aircrafts that will be delivered next year? Ok, because it suits your pay master to highlight the age of just one out of 24 aircrafts?

By the way, the articles you posted shows there are divergent opinions on the issue of age of aircrafts and nothing more. There are yet no concrete or definite position taken on the issue. When those who manufacture and sell these aircrafts to us take a definite position on the matter, then your propaganda can be justified. Or are you or your master claiming to be more knowledgeable than the manufacturers? For now, since there are still over 20 year old aircrafts flying in Europe and America, then there is nothing wrong in having such aircrafts here provided they'r well maintained. And aviation is a global industry that is regulated by international bodies. When these bodies are convinced that age is an issue, they will do the needful and Nigeria will comply. Tinubu rules or wishes do not apply.

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Re: Oduah To Present 20-yr-old Plane To Jonathan At National Carrier Inauguration by dridowu: 4:35pm On Nov 24, 2013
Sincere 9gerian:
why are you focused on a single aircraft out of about 24 aircrafts which the proposed national carrier would take off with?
i cant believe ds, so u mean that the life of passengers that will board the old airplane is not important ? If YOU want to board that plane and you hear the age of d plane , what will come to your mind ? What is bad is bad. If crash occur now the next thing we will hear is " AN ACT OF GOD" wc can be prevented by just changing the plane to new one.

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