Joshthefirst: God does not accept service or actions done in petrified fear. Fear is the opposite of faith. Hell fire preaching evokes fear and bondage in the hearers, but godly preaching of repentance from sin evokes godly sorrow that leads to actual repentance and response to Gods love and sacrifice.

But Hell is very real. If there's no hell, then there's no heaven. Why should there be an eternal perfect and righteous place such as heaven then?


When you understand what eternity is, and the fact that God is also an eternal judge, then you will understand.

Until then, things done in fear evoke hatred and bondage. Its better to not know about God than to respond to him in fear and not love.

Joshthefirst:
But Hell is very real. If there's no hell, then there's no heaven. Why should there be an eternal perfect and righteous place such as heaven then?

dalaman:

Understand what? Why should any body end up in hell for finite disobedience? Does a sinner that lives for 30 years on earth deserve to spend eternity in hell? Does that make sense to you?

Joshthefirst: as I said, understand what eternity is and that there's a life after death. An endless life.


What you do here tells God where you'll spend your endless eternity.

frosbel:

Heaven does not need Hell to exist, Heaven has always existed and is the dwelling place of God.

frosbel:


The only life after death is during the resurrection, otherwise when a man dies he is as dead as a piece of wood.

Joshthefirst: with respect to man and others who can choose to do wrong, there is a good and an evil, a heaven and a hell.

The bible clearly gives that implication.

frosbel: The doctrine of hell can be likened to the following scenarios :


- A Governor forbids anyone in his kingdom from beating their wives and anyone who is found guilty of breaking this law is subject to a non-stop beating for 1 year .

- A Father forbids his children from stealing in the home and when his Son is found guilty of theft he bludgeons him to death.

Wow....i just can't stop laughing ! how on earth does this hellfire doctrine survive through the years . I sincerely believe this evil doctrine invalidates the bible as the truth!

- God says we should not pass our children through fire in the bible yet he will pass 70% of his creation through fire for all eternity.

- God says thou shall not kill, and when people kill, God kills them over and over again for all eternity.

- God says love your enemies, but then hates his enemies for all eternity by confining them to a furnace of over 2000 degrees.




If you cannot see the contradiction in these scenarios religion has frozen your ability to think logically.




@ frostbel thou art a brilliant man!

frosbel:

So as soon as man was created Hell was also created ?

Can you tell us exactly when this hell was created ?

Can you also tell us why God did not warn the old testament people of this place or are you calling God a deceiver ?

Joshthefirst: no sir. I do not know when hell was created. But I know that it was created for all who rebel against God. I also know that hell houses the angels in bonds waiting for judgement(according to the bible)

frosbel:

You are assuming what the bible does not clearly say , you are not sure when hell was created

Can you also tell us why it was not once mentioned to Adam and Eve as the punishment for sin , neither was it mentioned to Enoch, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Job, David nor the apostles or early church. In fact Hell is not mentioned in the Acts of the apostles or any of Pauls epistles. Why ?

Bro, stop following tradition, read your bible.

Joshthefirst: Jesus spoke of hell.

Jesus revealed the lake of fire in the book of revelation.

I read my bible very well thank you. You are yet to show me where the bible says there's no hell or debunks the reality of it.

frosbel:

Jesus spoke of Gehenna , and this was symbolic of the destruction of the wicked that will take place at the end of times after judgement.

This is the only 'hell' Jesus ever spoke of , and it was not for tormenting, it was for the judgement of the unrepentant wicked.

NativeBoy: It should be stated clearly though that the final destination for all those who did not receive Christ is the lake of fire, the second death. Oftentimes this is spoken synonymously with hell but they are separate things. Hell (Sheol in the OT and Hades in the NT) is not permanent, the lake of fire is (the second death
) is.

Oduduwaboy:

Dear one you are still quoting from the much discredited bible.

How can we seriously take the bible for what it says when it declares the earth to be only 6000 years old and the earth flat ? It took the rationality and logic of questioning and thinking men to get humanity to the present level of civilization .

Oduduwaboy:

Dear one you are still quoting from the much discredited bible.

How can we seriously take the bible for what it says when it declares the earth to be only 6000 years old and the earth flat ? It took the rationality and logic of questioning and thinking men to get humanity to the present level of civilization .

NativeBoy: Those who do not believe in the concept of hell. You will have a lot of work to do to explain the very clear teaching of Christ, the writings of Paul and Peter, and what is in the book of Revelations. There are too many scriptures to count that speak clearly on this matter. I am quite interested in your interpretation of them.

Hell is not a reprehensible concept. The bible makes it clear that it was a place prepared for the devil and his angels. But man's choice will take him there if he rejects Christ.

I am interested in your interpretation of the story of Lazarus and the Rich Man that Jesus spoke.

NativeBoy: Those who do not believe in the concept of hell. You will have a lot of work to do to explain the very clear teaching of Christ, the writings of Paul and Peter, and what is in the book of Revelations. There are too many scriptures to count that speak clearly on this matter. I am quite interested in your interpretation of them.

Hell is not a reprehensible concept. The bible makes it clear that it was a place prepared for the devil and his angels. But man's choice will take him there if he rejects Christ.

I am interested in your interpretation of the story of Lazarus and the Rich Man that Jesus


this was just one of the many bible stories. Don't let the religious jobmen confuse you.....stop twisting your own bible

spoke.

Bidam: This topic has long been thrashed on this forum.The JW have their own definition contrary to clear teachings from scriptures about Hell.

The truth is Hell is real and Heaven is real. The story of lazarus and the rich man is not a parable but a certainty.

Encircling religious spirits will claim that we are holding onto traditions and doctrines of old, but thats a demonic lie from the pit of hell itself.

satan knows that if he can bring more confusion on this matter,he will have more converts who are comfortable with living a life of illusion.

satan himself is defiled and he seeks to defile everything that he touches,especially ignorant folks who interpret scripture with human standards and understanding rather than by the Holy Spirit.

satan is indeed a speaking and arrogant spirit,you can see so many cults all over the place claiming they understood the hell doctrine using their rational thinking,reason and human efforts and not with the Help of the Holy Spirit.