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Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by Katsumoto: 2:53pm On Dec 06, 2013
shymexx:

The Bretons are Celtic. Normans are Germanic. And those Jews are Ashkenazi's and they're also Germanic. I bet the whole thing is too complex for you, init? grin

SW is Yoruboid. And the people are culturally and linguistically the same.

Normans are from Normandy in France. They are not Germanic although they were originally vikings.
Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by Nobody: 2:53pm On Dec 06, 2013
shymexx:

The Bretons are Celtic. Normans are Germanic. And those Jews are Ashkenazi's and they're also Germanic. I bet the whole thing is too complex for you, init? grin
SW is Yoruboid. And the people are culturally and linguistically the same.
So its now Germanic and Celtic. Fine, They were still tribal groupings not nation states. That is all.
We already have a nationality in Nigeria and that is Nigerian. So you would have to make a case, not me, who is a One Nigeria man,as to why we should have different nationalities in Nigeria.
Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by atlwireles: 2:57pm On Dec 06, 2013
Orlando Owoh:
Yes, crude oil was discovered in late 1950s, it was not until the late 1970s and early 1980s that we experienced oil boom.

Crude oil was responsible for 80% of the budget in 1971. Don't spew your manufactured lies here again.

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Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by Nobody: 2:59pm On Dec 06, 2013
Katsumoto:

Normans are from Normandy in France. They are not Germanic although they were originally vikings.

Nah, they're Germanic people and they originated from Scandinavia. I know they were originally Vikings (Danes).
Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by Nobody: 2:59pm On Dec 06, 2013
shymexx:

Nah, I just think a group that has added nothing whatsoever to black history and culture except Jihadism (a foreign culture) having the guts to act like they're better than they actually are is just problematic. And the way they go around in Nigeria unchallenged maiming people. Add their born to rule to rule mentality to the equation. I don't like them.

That's just me...and I've said that a few times in the culture section.
Old guy that is not quite it. In fact we have two categories of Fulani. Namely the town Fulani who formed part of the ruling class up north and subsequently intermarried with the indigenous Hausa, and the Country Fulani who are Nomadic Herdsmen and have kept their distinct identity more or less.
Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by nduchucks: 3:02pm On Dec 06, 2013
tensor777:
Old guy that is not quite it. In fact we have two categories of Fulani. Namely the town Fulani who formed part of the ruling class up north and subsequently intermarried with the indigenous Hausa, and the Country Fulani who are Nomadic Herdsmen and have kept their distinct identity more or less.

Bigots who are filled with hate atimes do not their own identities, let alone those of the people they hate. That is how evil forces work. SMH

@Mr. Gull, you may be on to something in your last post.
Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by DerideGull(m): 3:04pm On Dec 06, 2013
tensor777:
I suggest your post is flawed because the main reason the SW has benefited apart from Lagos being the former capital is that they have had better leaders than anywhere in the SE OR SS. This has enabled them to acquire a high level of education and of course subsequently get good jobs.
There is no conspiracy theory although elements like Dokubo-Asari are fond of justifying their criminality by spouting such garbage.

I have to totally disagree with you on this reckless insinuation that “SW has benefited apart from Lagos being the former capital is that they have had better leaders than anywhere in the SE OR SS”. Besides Lagos State, which has been juiced up with economic steroid by the federal government of Nigeria, SW is as good as SE or SS.
Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by Nobody: 3:06pm On Dec 06, 2013
tensor777:
So its now Germanic and Celtic. Fine, They were still tribal groupings not nation states. That is all.
We already have a nationality in Nigeria and that is Nigerian. So you would have to make a case, not me, who is a One Nigeria man,as to why we should have different nationalities in Nigeria.

I'm just trying to show you how all the cluster of people in the UK are ethnically related and how the system was structured to maintain that territorial integrity. Best believe if the UK has been structured like America - that would have caused a lot of friction. Even with the way it's, with London controlling a large part of the decision making - there are still reservations in the different countries that make-up the union.

You saw how Thatcher almost tore the country apart...and how the cries for devolution of some powers from London began. That was what birthed the Scottish devolution referendum in 1997 - and the beginning of the Scottish Parliament.

My point is that, people would always align with their identities over nationality. That's human nature. We're all tribal people.
Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by Nobody: 3:09pm On Dec 06, 2013
tensor777:
Old guy that is not quite it. In fact we have two categories of Fulani. Namely the town Fulani who formed part of the ruling class up north and subsequently intermarried with the indigenous Hausa, and the Country Fulani who are Nomadic Herdsmen and have kept their distinct identity more or less.

They're both the same. They both never added nothing to black history and culture, apart from jocking cattle everywhere. And there's absolutely nothing interesting about their culture (that's if they have one). Their language is also almost extinct in Nigeria.

So who gave them all that power?
Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by Nobody: 3:09pm On Dec 06, 2013
@Dede
Good. How about in the Awolowo inspired mass education programs. That was implemented by AG, UPN and even by succesive military governments.
We are talking about the implementaion of policies that enabled their people to have a competitive edge in the labour market as well as the inculcation of the idea that Education is a worthwhile investment
DerideGull:
I have to totally disagree with you on this reckless insinuation that “SW has benefited apart from Lagos being the former capital is that they have had better leaders than anywhere in the SE OR SS”. Besides Lagos State, which has been juiced up with economic steroid by the federal government of Nigeria, SW is as good as SE or SS.
Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by amakenny: 3:09pm On Dec 06, 2013
4Wilywily: What surprised me is how Yorubas that claimed to be soooo intelligent and sophisticated on everything are afraid to have their own country and govern themselves the way they like.


But it is only the Yoruba mallams that hit head on ground to pray who mostly resent the idea of having smaller, more peaceable and manageable countries come out of dysfunctional one Nigeria. Members of the other group that makes up most of industrious Yoruba do not care a hoot if Nigeria is split today.
Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by superstar1(m): 3:09pm On Dec 06, 2013
DerideGull:

I have to totally disagree with you on this reckless insinuation that “SW has benefited apart from Lagos being the former capital is that they have had better leaders than anywhere in the SE OR SS”. Besides Lagos State, which has been juiced up with economic steroid by the federal government of Nigeria, SW is as good as SE or SS.

keep staying in US and be commenting on the reality on ground in Nigeria. relocate from US to onitsha and you will know wussup. you willneed a truckload of a combined forces of police, mopol, army, navy and airforce protect you. Even with that, your security is not guaranteed.
Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by DerideGull(m): 3:11pm On Dec 06, 2013
ndu_chucks:

Bigots who are filled with hate atimes do not their own identities, let alone those of the people they hate. That is how evil forces work. SMH

@Mr. Gull, you may be on to something in your last post.

It is a matter of your pig-headedness that stops you from seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.
Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by ACM10: 3:14pm On Dec 06, 2013
Katsumoto:

I have been cordial to you in the past; I do not understand the unnecessary attack on my person.

I stated factually that Oil was not the major source of revenue in 1966. See below

'The rapid growth of petroleum revenue in the 1970s removed most of the severe constraints placed on federal and regional or state budgets in the 1960s. Total federal revenue grew from N306.4 million in 1966 to N7,791.0 million in 1977, a twentyfivefold increase in current income in eleven years. Petroleum revenue as a percentage of the total went from 26.3 percent in 1970 to more than 70 percent by 1974-77.'

http://www.photius.com/countries/nigeria/economy/nigeria_economy_government_finance.html

Even as at 1970, Oil only accounted for 26% of total revenue. Your guess is as good as mine with what the percentage would have been in 1966.

Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by amakenny: 3:14pm On Dec 06, 2013
superstar1:

keep staying in US and be commenting on the reality on ground in Nigeria. relocate from US to onitsha and you will know wussup. you willneed a truckload of a combined forces of police, mopol, army, navy and airforce protect you. Even with that, your security is not guaranteed.

You need help - and lots of it. You tell lots of lies. There is as much criminality - if not more - in Yorubaland today as is in Igboland. The north is even a no-go area for people from the south.
Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by Nobody: 3:20pm On Dec 06, 2013
ndu_chucks:
The current revenue sharing formula is indeed unfair. With the existing 13% derivation, the abrogation of the onshore/offshore dichotomy during the Obasanjo regime had created a wide gap in revenues between oil producing and non-oil producing states. In my view the restoration of the abrogated onshore/offshore dichotomy would make the formular fairer. I'll leave it at that, to avoid derailing this thread and you can agree to disagree with me if you wish.

I think we need to be very careful here of a very common human weakness. It is called GREED. That is a cankerworm that can destroy any society.
It is also the brother to ENVY which afflicts people who have refused to make worthwhile use of their time and resources.
To my mind it is right that there should be a distinction between off-shore and on-shore oil deposits.
If you are now arguing that they should be lumped together and still implement the current sharing formula then you are on a very long thing. The current formula is fair as it stands.
Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by DerideGull(m): 3:21pm On Dec 06, 2013
tensor777: @Dede
Good. How about in the Awolowo inspired mass education programs. That was implemented by AG, UPN and even by succesive military governments.
We are talking about the implementaion of policies that enabled their people to have a competitive edge in the labour market as well as the inculcation of the idea that Education is a worthwhile investment


I usually do not dabble into totally over exaggerated Awolowo’s inspired mass education program which has become a conformism rather than realism. The educational realities in Nigeria are on the ground for everybody to see. I have no intention to comment on the issue of stadium too.
Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by superstar1(m): 3:24pm On Dec 06, 2013
amakenny:

You need help - and lots of it. You tell lots of lies. There is as much criminality - if not more - in Yorubaland today as is in Igboland. The north is even a no-go area for people from the south.

the bottomline is, quit US and face the reality at home and stop inciting hatred from your safe abode. simple.
Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by DerideGull(m): 3:27pm On Dec 06, 2013
superstar1:

keep staying in US and be commenting on the reality on ground in Nigeria. relocate from US to onitsha and you will know wussup. you willneed a truckload of a combined forces of police, mopol, army, navy and airforce protect you. Even with that, your security is not guaranteed.

I am due in Owerre in few weeks. A son of the soil such as me does not need police escorts to move rather freely in Igbo land.
Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by superstar1(m): 3:31pm On Dec 06, 2013
DerideGull:

I am due in Owerre in few weeks. A son of the soil such as me does not need police escorts move rather freely in Igbo land.

here comes ransome meat for suya!!!! they are waiting for you eagerly.
Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by Katsumoto: 3:41pm On Dec 06, 2013
Can someone explain to that dullard ACM10 that he is confirming my position that oil was not a major contributor to Nigerian revenue during the civil war?

I think he can read but he can't comprehend.

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Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by superstar1(m): 3:43pm On Dec 06, 2013
Katsumoto: Can someone explain to that dullard ACM10 that he is confirming my position that oil was not a major contributor to Nigerian revenue during the civil war?

I think he can read but he can't comprehend.

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sincerely i had to read it 5times to be sure that was not posted by you.
Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by Katsumoto: 3:46pm On Dec 06, 2013
superstar1:

sincerely i had to read it 5times to be sure that was not posted by you.


I read it three times just to be sure there wasn't something I was missing.

I made a point that oil was not a major contributor to Nigerian revenue. In 1970 it was just 26%.

And what does the dummy do, he provides stats to prove my point while thinking he is disproving my point.

That is what happens when men get emotional and go sniffing other men's nuts.

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Ndu_chuks,

Please add that your gif of the dog doing a ROTLMAO.
Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by OneNaira6: 3:46pm On Dec 06, 2013
I can't believe I spent time reading these pages. I just wasted my f2king 10 mins. Rather than some people to address what's being discussed they derailed it by shouting "Biafra". One even went the extent of asking truckpusher "why is he not accusing igbo too" while another went the extent of calling "Igbo" to a urhobo guy. I can't even believe one tried to lay claim warri/ delta as part of yoruba. Kudos to atlwireless and Bishop Magic for nipping that in the bud. One had the audacity to claim igbo took the resources of others and benefitted themselves when in fact, reality shows it's the north/SW that did such. Now some are trying to claim cocoa made more impact than oil in the past and it is about recent that oil benefitted them. hmm na wa oo. The extent people would go to distort the truth. SMH

I'm not even interested in any of that; my only question and has been my question for awhile is why are SW and North so afraid of disintegration? I have read all the replies, especially those for one-Nigeria, and none have given a solid reason behind this "fear"?

To all one-Nigeria, I would love if you all can provide a legitimate reason why this nation shouldn't break up? Explain to us why the people should continue to suffer just to uphold the mirage of "one"? I don't want the usual threatening of war, the usual united we stand, divided we fall cries, or the usual every ethnic group has invested in all aspects of Nigeria, etc cause in my eyes, all of those are useless reasons. So far the only good reason I've seen is that the corrupt ruling leaders will be the leaders of the new nations. This I'm in support of but I believe that the solution is not difficult. Infact it is achievable, after all, many states in the world have undergone a revolution and kicked out the ruling parties therefore What I want is for una to do is tell us the evil that will behalf each sovereign nation that is not attainable in Nigeria as we speak? As far as I know, there is nothing awaiting each nation that is not happening in the present day Nigeria. True or False?

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Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by OneNaira6: 3:55pm On Dec 06, 2013
atlwireles:

What disappointment did Jonah cause the southwest press/people 4-5 weeks after the election, before the song of marginalization stated?? Your SW members of the house sold your speaker ship slot to the NW for what But your political elites and your media noise makers blamed Jonah.That song became their building block during the fuel subsidy coup? I remember Falana on Channelstv opening his mouth to accuse Jonah of trying to destroy the southwest economy, that's why he is removing subsidies. What the liar never told Nigerians was the southwest consumed 60% of the so called subsidies petrol. Things just went down hill from there.

I personal thank God for the Asaris of this world and Igbos for standing by Jonah when those of you from the southwest were prepared to eat him alive. You woke us up to a critical self-assessment, that where we are now. This Nigeria can burnt and go to hell or you people should live and let's live. The choice is on your side. You will not push any of us around in this country. Not now or Never.

The bold is what I never understood. They barely gave the man a chance. Till this day, I still wonder what GEJ did to deserve all those attacks in the weeks of his tenure. Likewise I still wonder why the north didn't want him to win and threaten he'll rue the day he won. The whole thing opened my eyes wider than it was before. I've always been against any SE or SS presidency and that's because I didn't the ruin of nigeria on either regions hands as well but now I'm all for it. This nation, for now, belongs to all of us and we all have the right to rule this country whether some peeps like it or not.
Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by ACM10: 3:57pm On Dec 06, 2013
Katsumoto: Can someone explain to that dullard ACM10 that he is confirming my position that oil was not a major contributor to Nigerian revenue during the civil war?

I think he can read but he can't comprehend.

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See this mumu. Can't you see that oil accounted for over 30% of Nigeria's export in 1966? Ode, where is your 27% figure in 1970? The percentage was 57.6% in 1970. Even at that, the figure was low. Can't you read that the crude oil share of export during the war years were either missing or sketchy? REASON being that proper records were not kept at that time. Nigeria even sold more during the war to meet up with its financial need. Use your brain for once.
Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by Katsumoto: 4:01pm On Dec 06, 2013
ACM10:

See this mumu. Can't you see that oil accounted for over 30% of Nigeria's export in 1966? Ode, where is your 27% figure in 1970? The percentage was 57.6% in 1970. Even at that, the figure was low. Can't you read that the crude oil share of export during the war years were either missing or sketchy? REASON being that proper records were not kept at that time. Nigeria even sold more during the war to meet up with its financial need. Use your brain for once.

You are a donkey.

Is 30% major in your village? Can 30% be greater than 70%? If you don't know that maybe you should go back to school.

The war ended in January 1970, the revenue of 1970 can't be included you doofus.

GTFOH
Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by superstar1(m): 4:01pm On Dec 06, 2013
ACM10:

See this mumu. Can't you see that oil accounted for over 30% of Nigeria's export in 1966? Ode, where is your 27% figure in 1970? The percentage was 57.6% in 1970. Even at that, the figure was low. Can't you read that the crude oil share of export during the war years were either missing or sketchy? REASON being that proper records were not kept at that time. Nigeria even sold more during the war to meet up with its financial need. Use your brain for once.

at the peak of the war in '68, your record shows oil accounts for 17.5%.
Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by ACM10: 4:06pm On Dec 06, 2013
Katsumoto:

I read it three times just to be sure there wasn't something I was missing.

I made a point that oil was not a major contributor to Nigerian revenue. In 1970 it was just 26%.

And what does the dummy do, he provides stats to prove my point while thinking he is disproving my point.

That is what happens when men get emotional and go sniffing other men's nuts.

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Ndu_chuks,

Please add that your gif of the dog doing a ROTLMAO.

Since you insist that oil was not the major source of revenue, please silence us by providing the major source of revenue with a link to a factual site.
Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by superstar1(m): 4:11pm On Dec 06, 2013
ACM10:

Since you insist that oil was not the major source of revenue, please silence us by providing the major source of revenue with a link to a factual site.

which site can be more factual than the cbn report you provided which clearly showed that oil did not finance the war.

if oil did not financed the war, what financed it? Definitely we are an agrarian country before the advent of oil. By simple reasoning, agriculture the major foreign exchange earner and T-Bills finaced it. simple as abc.
Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by superstar1(m): 4:11pm On Dec 06, 2013
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Re: 'Let’s Go Our Separate Ways, Form Separate Countries’ - Dokubo-Asari by Katsumoto: 4:11pm On Dec 06, 2013
ACM10:

Since you insist that oil was not the major source of revenue, please silence us by providing the major source of revenue with a link to a factual site.

Keep quiet you ignorant buffoon.

The debate is not about what was the MAJOR source of revenue during the war; it is about oil not being the MAJOR source.

Oil became the MAJOR source of revenue in 1970, after the war.

You better find your way to a classroom.

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