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Is Jesus God? by kazeem4t(m): 9:38pm On Jul 26, 2008
[/color][b][/b] [b]IS JESUS GOD?[/b]PLEASE DO NOT LET US BE CONFUSE
IN THE BIBLE,SO MANY PLACES,
JESUS ALWAYS MAKES HIS FOLLOWERS TO
KNOW THAT THERE IS A SUPREME BEING GREATER THAN HIM
WHY THEN DO YOU (CHRISTIANS)CHRIST FOLLOWER NOW CLEAMS
THAT JESUS IS GOD.
YOU SHALL ALL BE DENINED ON THE LAST DAY.

[color=#006600]ISLAM IS THE ONLY RELIGION ACCEPTED BY ALLAH(SWT)-GOD.
shocked angry
Re: Is Jesus God? by MissyB1(m): 10:37pm On Jul 26, 2008
Is Jesus Christ God?

The New Testament is centered around the life and ministry of Jesus. The Gospel of John begins with these words: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men." (John 1:1-4) Then verse 14 says: "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."

Here, the Bible provides us with an accurate description of who Jesus is. John refers to Him as "the Word", but we know that He is talking about Christ because John points out that "the Word became flesh and dwelt among us". Notice that it says "the Word was with God and the Word was God." These verses also tell us that "all things were made by him". We can obviously see that Jesus Christ is not a created being, but He is the Creator Himself. John assures us that Jesus is God and that He took upon the form of a human being in order to save us from our sins (Matthew 1:21).

Not only is Jesus called "the Word", but Matthew 1:23 points out that Jesus was to be called "Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." Jesus was not just another man when He was down here on earth, but He was "God with us".

The Bible is clear when it says that God is the Creator: "Ah Lord God! behold, thou hast made the heaven and the earth by thy great power and stretched out arm, and there is nothing too hard for thee: Thou shewest lovingkindness unto thousands, and recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them: the Great, the Mighty God, the Lord of hosts, is his name" (Jeremiah 32:17-18, See also Genesis 1:1). In the New Testament, verses such as John 1:3, Colossians 1:15-16, and Hebrews 1:2 all tell us that Jesus is the Creator.

The disciples knew without a doubt that Jesus Christ was in fact God. even 'doubting' Thomas acknowledged this is John 20:28, "And Thomas answered and said unto Him, My Lord and my God." If Jesus was not God, then why didn't He correct Thomas for saying this? Instead, Jesus simply said, "Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed; blesssed are they that have not seen me, and yet have believed."

The New Testament contains many occasions where people worshipped Jesus as God and He never rebuked them for doing this:

In Matthew 2:11, the wise men from the east "fell down, and worshipped him".

Matthew 8:2 recalls this incident: "behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean."

Then in Matthew 9:18, "behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him".

Matthew 14:33 provides this account: "Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God."

Matthew 15:25 tells us about a woman of Canaan who "worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me."

In Matthew 28:9, after His resurrection, the Bible tells us that Jesus met His disciples and said to them "All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him."

These are just the verses found in Matthew, but the other Gospels contain many similar passages of Scripture.

We know that Jesus was God because, otherwise, He would not have allowed the people to worship Him. How do we know this? The book of Revelation tells us that when John became overwhelmed with the visions he saw, he said "I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which showed me these things. Then saith he unto me, see thou do it not: for I am thy fellow servant and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God." (Revelation 22:8-9) John was rebuked by the angel for worshipping him. This also happened in Revelation 19:10, where the angel again said, "See thou do it not". If the angel reacted this way, surely Jesus would have too, if He were not God. But He was, and so He always let everyone worship Him.

What claims did Jesus make about Himself? Did he say that He was God? In John 10:30, Jesus said these words: "I and my father are one." Then the Bible goes on to say that the Jews wanted to kill Him because of this declaration, but Jesus responded, "Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God." (Verses 31-33) Jesus did not deny this claim because He was God.

Mark chapter 2 provides us with another instance where Jesus revealed His true character. A man was brought before Christ that was "sick of the palsy". Jesus said to him, "Son, thy sins be forgiven thee. But there was certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only? And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts? Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk? But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house. And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all; insomuch that they were all amazed, and glorified God, saying, We never saw it on this fashion." (Mark 2:5-12) Everyone knows that God alone has the power to forgive sins, and Jesus had that power!

This is what John 8:58-59 has to say: "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by." The Jewish leaders knew that Jesus was proclaiming Himself to be God and they wanted to stone Him to death because they didn't believe Him. Jesus said that He was "I am". This is what God called Himself in Exodus 3:14 "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."

In John 5:18, the Bible says that the Jews wanted to kill Jesus because Christ claimed "that God was his Father, making himself equal with God."

Here is what Jesus said about Himself in the book of Revelation: "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." (Revelation 1:18) Also, in verse 11, He proclaims, "I am alpha and Omega, the first and the last". Then again, in verses 17-18, He says, "Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death." Now let's compare this to Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the Lord, the King of Israel, and his redeemer, the Lord of host: I am the first, and I am the last, and beside me there is not God." This verse tells us that the one who is "the first and the last" is God. This is the same title Christ applied to Himself in Revelation chapter 1.

On another occasion, Jesus healed a man possessed by demons and said, "Return to thine house, and show what great things God hath done unto thee. And he went on his way and published throughout the whole city what great things Jesus had done unto him." (Luke 8:39) This man perceived Jesus and God as one and the same person! Why didn't Jesus correct the man if this wasn't true?

How did the other Bible writers view Jesus? Paul maintained that Jesus was God in the flesh: "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the nations, believed on in the world, received up into glory." (1 Timothy 3:16)

In Titus 2:13, Paul clearly linked Jesus to God: "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our savior, Jesus Christ."

Notice what Paul also wrote in Colossians 2:8-9 "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."

In Romans 14:10-12, Paul interchangeably used the words "God" and "Jesus" in reference to Jesus Christ: "But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God."

Paul explains in Philippians 2:5-11 that Jesus is God and that He chose to take the form of a man in order to die on the cross. He also points out that the day will come when everyone who ever lived will bow down and worship Jesus: "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." It's interesting that in Isaiah 45:22-23, the Bible also says that every knee will bow to God, which we can see, based on Philippians 2 and Romans 14:10-12, is Jesus Christ.

The writer of the book of Hebrews included this passage about Jesus: "Unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom." (Hebrews 1:cool Once again, Jesus, the Son, is referred to as God.

In Isaiah 9:6, The Messiah is called both the son and "the Mighty God".

Micah 5:2 describes Jesus as everlasting being who has always been, which is a quality that belongs only to God: "But thou, Bethlehem, Ephrathah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall come forth unto me that is to be the ruler in Israel, whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."

The Bible writers often applied the term "Savior" both to God and Jesus Christ: "But after the kindness and love of God, our Savior, toward man appeared." (Titus 3:4). Then just 2 verses later, Paul writes, "Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ, our Savior" (Titus 3:6).

In conclusion, we can see that the Bible clearly portrays Jesus as God, and yet He is also called the Son of God (Mark 1:1 and 1 John 5:5). How is this possible? The answer to this found in 1 John 5:7, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." There is only one God: "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord". (Deuteronomy 6:4). However, according to 1 John 5:7, God reveals Himself in 3 ways: the Father, the Word (which is Jesus, see John 1:1-3), and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one.
Re: Is Jesus God? by kazeem4t(m): 10:50pm On Jul 26, 2008
1) None of the Bible’s Writers Believed That Jesus is God:
shocked[color=#990000][/color]Christians and Muslims both believe in Jesus, love him, and honor him. They are, however, divided over the question of his divinity.

Fortunately, this difference can be resolved if we refer the question to both the Bible and the Quran, because, both the Bible and the Quran teach that Jesus is not God.

It is clear enough to everyone that the Quran denies the divinity of Jesus, so we do not need to spend much time explaining that.

On the other hand, many people misunderstand the Bible; they feel that the belief in Jesus as God is so widespread that it must have come from the Bible. This article shows quite conclusively that the Bible does not teach that.

The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is not God. In the Bible God is always someone else other than Jesus.

Some will say that something Jesus said or something he did while on the earth proves that he is God. We will show that the disciples never came to the conclusion that Jesus is God. And those are people who lived and walked with Jesus and thus knew first hand what he said and did. Furthermore, we are told in the Acts of the Apostles in the Bible that the disciples were being guided by the Holy Spirit. If Jesus is God, surely they should know it. But they did not. They kept worshipping the one true God who was worshipped by Abraham, Moses, and Jesus (see Acts 3:13).

All of the writers of the Bible believed that God was not Jesus. The idea that Jesus is God did not become part of Christian belief until after the Bible was written, and took many centuries to become part of the faith of Christians.

Matthew, Mark, and Luke, authors of the first three Gospels, believed that Jesus was not God (see Mark 10:18 and Matthew 19:17). They believed that he was the son of God in the sense of a righteous person. Many others too, are similarly called sons of God (see Matthew 23:1-9).

Paul, believed to be the author of some thirteen or fourteen letters in the Bible, also believed that Jesus is not God. For Paul, God first created Jesus, then used Jesus as the agent by which to create the rest of creation (see Colossians 1:15 and 1 Corinthians 8:6). Similar ideas are found in the letter to the Hebrews, and also in the Gospel and Letters of John composed some seventy years after Jesus. In all of these writings, however, Jesus is still a creature of God and is therefore forever subservient to God (see 1 Corinthians 15:28).

Now, because Paul, John, and the author of Hebrews believed that Jesus was God’s first creature, some of what they wrote clearly show that Jesus was a pre-existent powerful being. This is often misunderstood to mean that he must have been God. But to say that Jesus was God is to go against what these very authors wrote. Although these authors had this later belief that Jesus is greater than all creatures, they also believed that he was still lesser than God. In fact, John quotes Jesus as saying: “, the Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28). And Paul declares that the head of every woman is her husband, the head of every man is Christ, and the head of Christ is God (see 1 Corinthians 11:3).

Therefore, to find something in these writings and claim that these teach that Jesus is God is to misuse and misquote what those authors are saying. What they wrote must be understood in the context of their belief that Jesus is a creature of God as they have already clearly said.

So we see then, that some of the later writers had a higher view of Jesus, but none of the writers of the Bible believed that Jesus is God. The Bible clearly teaches that there is only one true God, the one whom Jesus worshipped (see John 17: 3).

In the rest of this article we will explore the Bible in more depth, and deal with the passages which are most often misquoted as proofs of Jesus’ divinity. We will show, with God’s help, that these do not mean what they are so often used to prove.

2) Evidence From the Acts of the Apostles:
Jesus performed many miraculous wonders, and he without doubt said a lot of wonderful things about himself. Some people use what he said and did as a proof that he was God. But his original disciples who lived and walked with him, and were eyewitnesses to what he said and did, never reached this conclusion.

The Acts of the Apostles in the Bible details the activity of the disciples over a period of thirty years after Jesus was lifted up to heaven. Throughout this period they never refer to Jesus as God. They continually and consistently use the title God to refer to someone else other than Jesus.

Peter stood up with the eleven disciples and addressed the crowd saying: “Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.” (Acts 2:22).

It was God, therefore, who did the miracles through Jesus to convince people that Jesus was backed by God. Peter did not see the miracles as proof that Jesus is God.

In fact, the way Peter refers to God and to Jesus makes it clear that Jesus is not God. For he always turns the title God away from Jesus. Take the following references for example:

“God has raised this Jesus, ” (Acts 2:32)

“God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.” (Acts 2:36)

In both passages, the title God is turned away from Jesus. So why he did this, if Jesus was God?

For Peter, Jesus was a servant of God. Peter said: “God raised up his servant, ” (Acts 3:26). The title servant refers to Jesus. This is clear from a previous passage where Peter declared: “The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.” (Acts 3:13).

Peter must have known that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob never spoke of a Triune God. They always spoke of God as the only God. Here, as in Matthew 12:18, Jesus is the servant of God. Matthew tells us that Jesus was the same servant of God spoken of in Isaiah 42:1. So, according to Matthew and Peter, Jesus is not God, but God’s servant. The Old Testament repeatedly says that God is alone (e.g. Isaiah 45:5).

All of the disciples of Jesus held this view. In Acts 4:24 we are told that the believers prayed to God saying: “, they raised their voices together in prayer to God. ‘Sovereign Lord,’ they said, ‘you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them.’” It is clear that the one they were praying to was not Jesus, because, two verses later, they referred to Jesus as “, your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.” (Acts 4:27).

If Jesus was God, his disciples should have said this clearly. Instead, they kept preaching that Jesus was God’s Christ. We are told in Acts: “Day after day, in the temple courts and from house to house, they never stopped teaching and proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Christ.” (Acts 5:42).

The Greek word “Christ” is a human title. It means “Anointed.” If Jesus was God, why would the disciples continually refer to him with human titles like servant and Christ of God, and consistently use the title God for the one who raised Jesus? Did they fear men? No! They boldly preached the truth fearing neither imprisonment nor death. When they faced opposition from the authorities, Peter declared: “We must obey God rather than men! The God of our fathers raised Jesus, ” (Acts 5:29-30).

Were they lacking the Holy Spirit? No! They were supported by the Holy Spirit (see Acts 2:3, 4:8, and 5:32). They were simply teaching what they had learnt from Jesus — that Jesus was not God but, rather, God’s servant and Christ.

The Quran confirms that Jesus was the Messiah (Christ), and that he was God’s servant (see the Holy Quran 3:45 and 19:30).
Re: Is Jesus God? by MissyB1(m): 10:57pm On Jul 26, 2008
kazeem4t:

1)  None of the Bible’s Writers Believed That Jesus is God:
shocked[color=#990000][/color]Christians and Muslims both believe in Jesus, love him, and honor him.  They are, however, divided over the question of his divinity.

Fortunately, this difference can be resolved if we refer the question to both the Bible and the Quran, because, both the bible and Quran teach that Jesus is not GOD.

It is clear enough to everyone that the Quran denies the divinity of Jesus, so we do not need to spend much time explaining that.

On the other hand, many people misunderstand the Bible; they feel that the belief in Jesus as God is so widespread that it must have come from the Bible.  This article shows quite conclusively that the Bible does not teach that.

The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is not God.  In the Bible God is always someone else other than Jesus.

Some will say that something Jesus said or something he did while on the earth proves that he is God.  We will show that the disciples never came to the conclusion that Jesus is God.  And those are people who lived and walked with Jesus and thus knew first hand what he said and did.  Furthermore, we are told in the Acts of the Apostles in the Bible that the disciples were being guided by the Holy Spirit.  If Jesus is God, surely they should know it.  But they did not.  They kept worshipping the one true God who was worshipped by Abraham, Moses, and Jesus (see Acts 3:13).

All of the writers of the Bible believed that God was not Jesus.  The idea that Jesus is God did not become part of Christian belief until after the Bible was written, and took many centuries to become part of the faith of Christians.

Matthew, Mark, and Luke, authors of the first three Gospels, believed that Jesus was not God (see Mark 10:18 and Matthew 19:17).  They believed that he was the son of God in the sense of a righteous person.  Many others too, are similarly called sons of God (see Matthew 23:1-9).

Paul, believed to be the author of some thirteen or fourteen letters in the Bible, also believed that Jesus is not God.  For Paul, God first created Jesus, then used Jesus as the agent by which to create the rest of creation (see Colossians 1:15 and 1 Corinthians 8:6).  Similar ideas are found in the letter to the Hebrews, and also in the Gospel and Letters of John composed some seventy years after Jesus.  In all of these writings, however, Jesus is still a creature of God and is therefore forever subservient to God (see 1 Corinthians 15:28).

Now, because Paul, John, and the author of Hebrews believed that Jesus was God’s first creature, some of what they wrote clearly show that Jesus was a pre-existent powerful being.  This is often misunderstood to mean that he must have been God.  But to say that Jesus was God is to go against what these very authors wrote.  Although these authors had this later belief that Jesus is greater than all creatures, they also believed that he was still lesser than God.  In fact, John quotes Jesus as saying: “, the Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28).  And Paul declares that the head of every woman is her husband, the head of every man is Christ, and the head of Christ is God (see 1 Corinthians 11:3).

Therefore, to find something in these writings and claim that these teach that Jesus is God is to misuse and misquote what those authors are saying.  What they wrote must be understood in the context of their belief that Jesus is a creature of God as they have already clearly said.

So we see then, that some of the later writers had a higher view of Jesus, but none of the writers of the Bible believed that Jesus is God.  The Bible clearly teaches that there is only one true God, the one whom Jesus worshipped (see John 17: 3).

In the rest of this article we will explore the Bible in more depth, and deal with the passages which are most often misquoted as proofs of Jesus’ divinity.  We will show, with God’s help, that these do not mean what they are so often used to prove.

2)  Evidence From the Acts of the Apostles:
Jesus performed many miraculous wonders, and he without doubt said a lot of wonderful things about himself.  Some people use what he said and did as a proof that he was God.  But his original disciples who lived and walked with him, and were eyewitnesses to what he said and did, never reached this conclusion.

The Acts of the Apostles in the Bible details the activity of the disciples over a period of thirty years after Jesus was lifted up to heaven.  Throughout this period they never refer to Jesus as God.  They continually and consistently use the title God to refer to someone else other than Jesus.

Peter stood up with the eleven disciples and addressed the crowd saying: “Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.” (Acts 2:22).

It was God, therefore, who did the miracles through Jesus to convince people that Jesus was backed by God.  Peter did not see the miracles as proof that Jesus is God.

In fact, the way Peter refers to God and to Jesus makes it clear that Jesus is not God.  For he always turns the title God away from Jesus.  Take the following references for example:

“God has raised this Jesus, ” (Acts 2:32)

“God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.” (Acts 2:36)

In both passages, the title God is turned away from Jesus.  So why he did this, if Jesus was God?

For Peter, Jesus was a servant of God.  Peter said: “God raised up his servant, ” (Acts 3:26).  The title servant refers to Jesus.  This is clear from a previous passage where Peter declared: “The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.” (Acts 3:13).

Peter must have known that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob never spoke of a Triune God.  They always spoke of God as the only God.  Here, as in Matthew 12:18, Jesus is the servant of God.  Matthew tells us that Jesus was the same servant of God spoken of in Isaiah 42:1.  So, according to Matthew and Peter, Jesus is not God, but God’s servant.  The Old Testament repeatedly says that God is alone (e.g. Isaiah 45:5).

All of the disciples of Jesus held this view.  In Acts 4:24 we are told that the believers prayed to God saying: “, they raised their voices together in prayer to God. ‘Sovereign Lord,’ they said, ‘you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them.’”  It is clear that the one they were praying to was not Jesus, because, two verses later, they referred to Jesus as “, your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.” (Acts 4:27).

If Jesus was God, his disciples should have said this clearly.  Instead, they kept preaching that Jesus was God’s Christ.  We are told in Acts: “Day after day, in the temple courts and from house to house, they never stopped teaching and proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Christ.” (Acts 5:42).

The Greek word “Christ” is a human title.  It means “Anointed.”  If Jesus was God, why would the disciples continually refer to him with human titles like servant and Christ of God, and consistently use the title God for the one who raised Jesus?  Did they fear men?  No! They boldly preached the truth fearing neither imprisonment nor death.  When they faced opposition from the authorities, Peter declared: “We must obey God rather than men!  The God of our fathers raised Jesus, ” (Acts 5:29-30).

Were they lacking the Holy Spirit?  No! They were supported by the Holy Spirit (see Acts 2:3, 4:8, and 5:32). They were simply teaching what they had learnt from Jesus — that Jesus was not God but, rather, God’s servant and Christ.

The Quran confirms that Jesus was the Messiah (Christ), and that he was God’s servant (see the Holy Quran 3:45 and 19:30).


Didn't read everything bhut i'm sure i will when yhu correct yhurself nd assumption abt d statment written blodly above.
NOWHERE and i repeat NOWHERE in the bible teaches that Jesus isn't GOD.
Re: Is Jesus God? by kazeem4t(m): 11:03pm On Jul 26, 2008
please digest your bible
Allah have no son
You may be confused
Nothing like trinity pleassssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssse
Only one GOD ALLAH,CHINEKE,OLORUN.
Re: Is Jesus God? by MissyB1(m): 11:21pm On Jul 26, 2008
kazeem4t:

Digest your bible
ALLAH HAVE NO SON
You may be confused
Nothing like trinity pleassssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssse
Only one GOD ALLAH,CHINEKE,OLORUN.
FIRSTLY. . . WHAT DO YHU MEAN"DIGEST YOUr BIBLE"?if yhu need scriptures to confirm what i said above,m sure i provided them.
SECONDLY:YEAH,allah may/may not have a son,i dnt argue that BHUT GOD HAS A SON"JESUS" whom is also him(he had to come in human form)
THIRDLY:And no bruv,there's smtyn like trinity(GOD THE FATHER,THE SON ND THE HOLY GHOST)
FOURTHLY:yea,m nt disputin the fact that there's only one GOD which is know as GOD in heaven.(ma bible has never told me his other name is allah)
Re: Is Jesus God? by kazeem4t(m): 11:35pm On Jul 26, 2008
NEW GENERATION CHRISTIANS ARE MORE OF WESTERNIANS THAN CHRISTIANS
DO HOLY MARY DRESS THE WAY U CHRISTIANS DRESS NOW?
IF U ARE A REAL CHRIST FOLLOWER DO U BEHAVE LIKE ONE?
WHAT MOST OF U GOES TO THE CHURCH TO DO IS TO SHOWCASE YOURSELVES.
AN EYE IS WATCHING U ALL.
SOME OF U DECIDES TO PLAY ALONG AND U DANCE AS IF U ARE IN A PARTY HALL IN THE NAME OF WORSHIPING GOD
U MAY DENY THE TRUTH 2DAY BUT NOT HEREAFTER
REMEMBER THE LAST DAY
Re: Is Jesus God? by mazaje(m): 12:02am On Jul 27, 2008
Why do you guys waste time arguing about religion? this traditions were inculcated into your minds since when you were kids and your realities, total being and views are all shaped and revolve around these set of traditions and beliefs, christians understand the trinity because the idea and concept has been feed and inculcated into their brains since childhood it makes perfect sense to them and the explanation the bible gives them is very convincing and coherent enough, moslems don't believe in it because the koran tells them never to believe in it, and has given them more than enough reason to see it as a drivel.

Religious arguments is the same things as two people arguing in two different languages. They can never understand each other simple. so enough of all this my god is better than yours or my belief is better than yours endless and meaningless argument. at the end it is just what it is. its is just a belief and there is simply no evidence to show that christainity is better than islam or vice versa so enough of all this crap and bull.
Re: Is Jesus God? by kazeem4t(m): 7:34am On Jul 27, 2008
mazaje
YOU MADE A POINT THERE
ANY WAY,ALL I KNOW IS THE TRUTH SHALL BE REVEALED
BUT IT MAY BE LATE FOR SOME PEOPLE
10X
Re: Is Jesus God? by Dauchman(m): 1:38pm On Jul 27, 2008
what is the meaning of Emmanuel?

God is with us.

and whose name was this?

Jesus Christ.

Mary went to visit Elizabeth and the Child in her tummy Leapt for joy and she said how is it that the mother of my LORD has come to visit?
Re: Is Jesus God? by skfa1: 2:17pm On Jul 27, 2008
Jesus is the son of God
Re: Is Jesus God? by samba123(m): 3:04pm On Jul 27, 2008
skfa1:

Jesus is the son of God

how about Adam and Eve are they not son of God?
Re: Is Jesus God? by MissyB1(m): 3:10pm On Jul 27, 2008
skfa1:

Jesus is the son of God
And also God himself.
Re: Is Jesus God? by olabowale(m): 4:13pm On Jul 27, 2008
@Missy B: You are your mum's daughter and your own mum? Is this really possible? In the case of Jesus, to God Almighty, it is as if somebody were to be passing the news around that your mum's business manager, though devoted to your mum's business success, still from a different dad from you, is your mums child. Would this be correct, except that your mum was the mother of that child, having married to this man at some point? Jesus is just that with God. If Mary was not God's wife then the story of God's son for jesus is a lie. He was God prophet to the Children of Israel.

@Dutchman:

what is the meaning of Emmanuel?

God is with us.
If God is with us is a name of a person, it does not mean the person is God! The person is only a sign by his name that you should be assured that God is on yourside, as a Support. When you pray do you call him Jesus or Emmanuel? If in conversation to start with Emmanuel, and in the same exact conversation you start with jesus, would the group that you say Emmanuel as a name know that you are talking about Jesus? Would those who you say Jesus as a name immediately begin to process you information to reflect this great name, Emmanuel? You will find the answers to be NO.





and whose name was this?

Jesus Christ.

And Jesus was never called that name, ever! Point to a single time in his life on earth that anyone called him Emmanuel. He was called Jesus as a name from birth. It tells you that you are wrong even in the name that he was supposed to be called. How many things thereby are you wrong then?





Mary went to visit Elizabeth and the Child in her tummy Leapt for joy and she said how is it that the mother of my LORD has come to visit?

You have never touched a belly with a fetus before. Babies respond to stimuli, including sounds. they kick. To claim that a croutching fetus "jump," in such a small enclosure is a big time lie. How do you know its joy, especially when there were no indicator to know the facial expression and no sound of laughter from such a baby in a bubble. Bring another big time lie and we will debunk it.
Re: Is Jesus God? by GODLOVES1: 7:15pm On Jul 28, 2008
What part of John 1:1 did you all not understand?


"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God."

He is God, Jesus is part of the trinity, GOD the Father, GOD the Son, and GOD the Holy Ghost.

When you think of this think of an egg, An egg has three parts but yet the are all still one egg.
It is the same with GOD. One GOD, three persons, yet one GOD
Re: Is Jesus God? by kazeem4t(m): 2:45pm On Jul 30, 2008
I am afraid somebody is confused
please get yourself
God has no son
Re: Is Jesus God? by JeSoul(f): 3:36pm On Jul 30, 2008
Kazeem
IS JESUS GOD?PLEASE DO NOT LET US BE CONFUSE
IN THE BIBLE,SO MANY PLACES,
JESUS ALWAYS MAKES HIS FOLLOWERS TO
KNOW THAT THERE IS A SUPREME BEING GREATER THAN HIM
WHY THEN DO YOU (CHRISTIANS)CHRIST FOLLOWER NOW CLEAMS
THAT JESUS IS GOD.
YOU SHALL ALL BE DENINED ON THE LAST DAY.

ISLAM IS THE ONLY RELIGION ACCEPTED BY ALLAH(SWT)-GOD. 

    erhm shouldn't you be hiding along with your fellow islamos in your "special" forum?   cool
 
  You guys wanted your own space now just go quietly and sit there, if a christian went into your forum, made a topic like this, na jihad jiahd fatwa fatwa we for dey hear by now. Abeg make you carry go!  tongue  cool

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