Kay 17:

What is the physical?

Is time physical?

Is information physical?

Are mathematical abstracts physical?



Same as the fish question abi? Ok let's assume God is incomprehensible to us, yet we see the complexity and beauty of the universe to conclude that invariably somebody built this "house", so also in the same line of consistent reasoning, it follows that the somebody too himself being super designed but be created by another designer, so on and so ad infinitum.

Good sense will tell us that the Universe will never be created if designers keep designing designers in infinity, this point when God creates the Universe will never approach.

An example: "before I shoot truthlight, I obliged to take permission from my oga at the top, who in turn has to take permission from his own oga at the top, and same has to take permission from his own oga at the top, ad infinitum. When do you think I will shoot truthlight?"

Kay 17:
Same as the fish question abi? Ok let's assume God is incomprehensible to us, yet we see the complexity and beauty of the universe to conclude that invariably somebody built this "house", so also in the same line of consistent reasoning, it follows that the somebody too himself being super designed but be created by another designer, so on and so ad infinitum.

Kay 17:
The mind is much more marvelous than the computer.

Kay 17:

What is the physical?

Is time physical?

Is information physical?

Are mathematical abstracts physical?



Ok let's assume God is incomprehensible to us, yet we see the complexity and beauty of the universe to conclude that invariably somebody built this "house", so also in the same line of consistent reasoning, it follows that the somebody too himself being super designed but be created by another designer, so on and so ad infinitum.

Good sense will tell us that the Universe will never be created if designers keep designing designers in infinity, this point when God creates the Universe will never approach.

An example: "before I shoot truthlight, I obliged to take permission from my oga at the top, who in turn has to take permission from his own oga at the top, and same has to take permission from his own oga at the top, ad infinitum. When do you think I will shoot truthlight?"

truthislight:

I dont know why you keep going back to what we have sorted out that it is impossible for the designed to comprehend the mind/existence of the designer ?

Naturally, it is impossible!

Hence your infinite regress is a function of ignorance!!!

Can you tell the life experience of your father and mother befor you were born if you were not brief ? Impossible!

Why keep deluding yourself then with the notion that you can decipher the creator of the univers existance ?

Kay 17:

What is the physical?

Is time physical?

Is information physical?

Are mathematical abstracts physical?

Redlyn: Truthislight So why do You think You can decipher anything about the creators existance or the begining of the universe? You know nothing just like the rest if us.

Kay 17:

The implication thereof is you can't use the Universe as proof for god's existence. And further, it is impossible to know/understand/comprehend God?!

I think you have simply shot yourself in the foot.

JMAN05:

Who began the process. "the universe began to exist". Remember?

truthislight:

I see, you really lack what to say to defend that thing you people do say.

What you dont have the capacity to comprehend, how do you know it does not exist ? Smh for going in circle.

Accused me all you like, lie against me all you like, the truth stands, sorry men/woman.

What we have said so far did really fly over your head.

That the fish cannot comprehend how man lives out of water and remains alive now means that man does not live out of water because the fish cold does not have the capacity to know.

JMAN05:

This your question is laughable. I dont believe this is coming from you. It makes no sense. If you know what is spiritual realm, then unlock your brain.

Redlyn: Truthislight So why do You think You can decipher anything about the creators existance or the begining of the universe? You know nothing just like the rest if us.

Kay 17:

The implication thereof is you can't use the Universe as proof for god's existence. And further, it is impossible to know/understand/comprehend God?!

I think you have simply shot yourself in the foot.

Redlyn:

You don't know what was before the begining neither do i. That's all. I don't jump to conclusions about god because of ignorance.

Kay 17:

So this means God is incomprehensible and yet unknowable! I just want to see how you people (jman and truthlight) will turn around to clamim God exists despite being incomprehensible.

truthislight:

If rationally you dont jump to conclusion will we be here ? Will we ? No.

So, stop hidding your head in the sand like an ostrich cause the rest of your body is on the outside.

If you have noticed the shallowness of you "No God" rhetoric, the rational thing to do is abandone it.

Peace

truthislight:

Nope!

This below is the basis for the way forward:

"For every house is builded by someone; but he that built all things is God." (Hebrews 3:4).
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See men, all you can do to have a stand against ^ that rational conclusion or counter it is to show that there is no purposeful design in nature to sustain life, that every thing, i mean every thing is chaos.

Otherwise, go and sleep and oil your wounds.

Kay 17:

You are a fish in water, how are you able to comprehend land animals living out of water. God as you have said numerous times, is incomprehensible to us being that God is transcendental, and similar to fish out of water.

Therefore you cannot say claim/say God exists! The best you are is an agnostic! Unconscious agnostic

Redlyn:

A religious person talking to me about rational. Very funny. Who created God? Since everything must be created. Or everything must be created EXCEPT the ultimate creator? Wow how convenient. The argument works when you want it to! How rational. How did you come about this cosmic knowledge on whether its an intelligent god that always existed or the universe that always existed. You dreamed it? You assumed it? Or maybe you read it in a book, written by man?

Is there a god? I don't know, but I don't believe. Thats how I answer the question. I dont say there is no god. Thats a claim is made by a special branch of atheism. I don't Believe because I don't see any evidence. You argue the evidence is creation. Then I will argue by that very logic the existence of god suggests a god creator....etc What do you say? He just always existed? So cant we say the universe always existed?

There is only one thing I am sure about, and it is how unknown all this is to us humans. If that is ostrich so be it.
Good we can come to you for all the answers as written in your magical book.

truthislight:

What was that ^ ?

Who was he talking to ?

What was he talking about ?

Was he addressing what we have been discussing on this thread ?

Is he lost ?

Does that make sense ?

*sigh* smh.

Guy, you are on the wrong thread.

Kai!

Please, read from page zero to undate youself, then you can knock on me.

Lol. Smh. No wonder!

Redlyn:

You don't know what was before the begining neither do i. That's all. I don't jump to conclusions about god because of ignorance.

Kay 17:
"What is physical" doesn't make sense?! Geeez! If an average Joe walks around and bumps into spiritual entities, how would he know they are spiritual?! Jman I doubt if you have much to say.

Kay 17:

*sigh*

Can man comprehend God?

Kay 17:

*sigh*

Can man comprehend God?

JMAN05:

If by beginning, you mean beginning of the universe, then I know. The bible shows God is that invisible one who cause the process to begin.

truthislight: Is it now you are coming to this level ?

Some of us have done that and have found the way round man's limitations when it comes to God, and it was God himself like a father will do, that provided that book you call "book of men", to educate us about things we would not have known otherwise to help us learn about him.



"No man hath seen God at any time; but the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom position of the Father, he hath declared him." (John 1:18).
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With that ^, the reality i see in nature has been substantiated and i learn and come to make sense of God.

I invite you to cure your infinite regress with reason from reality/facts around us and then join me to make sense from what the bible says.

Peac

Redlyn:

Again with your bible. Another comes with the Koran. Another with the Torah etc.
Which one is it. Either way there a billions of deluded people reading and practicing rubbish.
Why cant god find an easier way to tell his creation the truth so that the majority not to mention everyone believes it.

Kay 17: Again,

Can God be comprehended?!

Kay 17: ^^
I understand your apprehension. Yet I want to clear and unequivocal reponse from you.

Is God comprehensible?