KoiceReloaded:


Traverser my coeur.

troubleseller:
This Hereditary movie seems to be everywhere. Who knows where it can be downloaded from?

Ishilove:
Mkvcage

troubleseller:
You seem to trust this Mkvcage very much

Ishilove:

My dear, Olu4life introduced me to the site and I must tell you i have had no regrets

Ishilove:

Ishilove:

Beorn:

Don't worry, I won't use it against you. I'm a good guy.
I have the first dibb on the wedding invitation card, though.

KoiceReloaded:


We will see.

Beorn:


That's what I love to read, a subtle affirmation to a happy ending. Koice, you tha man!!

superhumanist:

Morality is not black and white bro.
Malcolm X suffered hardships on a time when blacks had no rights. Put things into context as well. Malcolm lost a father and uncle to white supremacists.

superhumanist:

However, Malcolm did move away from his prejudiced stance on white men in his later years.

superhumanist:

Violence is the only language an oppressor understands. Violence has its uses. I am not a violent man but when it is a self defense issue, there is need for it.

superhumanist:

Even the MLK you so love, engineered violence. He knew that hat his protests would end up with violence with the police.

superhumanist:

I want to ask you 2 questions
1. Are you saying that the slaves in Haiti who killed their slavemasters for freedom were wrong?

superhumanist:

2. Do you think that it is sensible to compare Malcom X to Hitler and Boko Haram

KoiceReloaded:


Awww. Tu es doux. *kisses*

Beorn:


Don't worry, I won't use it against you. I'm a good guy.

I have the first dibb on the wedding invitation card, though.

KoiceReloaded:


Dude...

You got it all wrong. You're equating morality to moral compass, which are 2 different things. Perception of morality, ie, the way an individual may think or understand GOOD and EVIL varies from individual to individual, BUT, there is a natural ability that enable us to analyse those two moral conducts and make the correct decision. We call that MORAL COMPASS. In some people, that moral compass is broken or screwed up, we call such people AMORAL or in more clinical terms, PSYCHOPATHS and SOCIOPATHS.

Malcolm X ain't the only African American to have lost loved ones. Many lost a whole generation, but didn't take up arms, because, they were smart enough to learn from history. When you take up arms against a superior-armed numerically advantaged oppressor, you're not only putting yourself in danger, you're putting your entire community/nation/village/tribe/race in danger for your own selfish reasons. They are the ones that will bear the blunt of it when you've fled or died. Their descendants will also bear the blunt of it.

Read up on the Apartheid South Africa. The whites were oppressing the natives, and the natives tried to take back their country by force. What happened? The worst segregation in the history of modern era. A native cannot walk down the street without a "pass" or a written note from their "massa". Violence didn't solve anything for the natives then, and never did, if anything, it made things worse. They did get their country back... eventually, but it took several years and it was as a result of PEACEFUL protest demonstrations at the front gates of the UN and the good old reliable DIPLOMACY.

Youthful Malcolm X set the Africa Amerians back several years by his violent approach because he refused to learn from history. Thank providence MLK undid some of those blights, else, things would have continued being dire for the blacks in America. Who am kidding, things are still dire, but it could be a lot worse, and they have MLK and JFK to thank for that, not Malcolm X.


He did, yes. He finally learned that violence begets violence. Alas, he got assassinated before he could rewrite the very legacy you're extolling.



Violence against an oppressor without a numerical or armory advantage is not only foolish, it's sucidal and counterproductive. Unless you have this, you're only digging a deeper hole for yourselves.

You talked about self defence, of course, people are allowed to defend themselves if their lives are at stake. When someone is coming at you with a knife, your natural instinct is to either run or defend yourself. However, It doesn't apply here, because the African Americans in the time of Malcolm X weren't exactly fearing for their lives. They are fully segregated, ie, they have their own separate towns, ride in their own separate buses, and have their own separate bars and market places. They wanted to be heard, to integrate, to be treated equally as the whites, not hide in witness protection programmes.


I don't believe that, and even if it were true, he made good in the end. His legacy brought about the first black president in the history of the United States. Nuff said.



O boy...

^^Please show me where I specifically said that freedom is wrong. Dude, stop misquoting me, please. There is nothing wrong with freedom provided you go about it through diplomatic channels. I mean, that's what I've been trying to drum into your skull since Wednesday, yes?

In the case of Haiti, their lives were at stake and everything. They were forced to live in squalor, flogged incessantly, raped, and left to die when they are too ill/weak to "earn their keep". They had two options: use their numerical advantage to liberate themselves from certain death or do nothing and die in captivity. Naturally, they chose the former. Thus, it was clearly self defense.


More so now than ever. It's clear you have a broken moral compass or it's screwed up. Doesn't bode well for you either way.

superhumanist:



I have a broken moral compass? Wrong! The problem is that you are quite the delusional idealist.

Look at how you romanticised the Haitian revolution. Who told you they had superior numbers? They did not have superior numbers at the beginning. The first successful attempts spurred on many to join.

And isnt your "superior numbers" argument a fallacy? So violence is okay when there are superior numbers on your side? That is quite the darwinist morality you have there.


And for your information, Malcolm X's period was a period in America were blacks were still slaves in a sense. As far as I am concerned, a person is a slave if he has no rights. Black people did not have rights during that era until 1964. Malcolm X was not the only black man who felt the need to rise up. He had a following, lest you forget. There were even other groups with the same ideology.


It was violence that ended slavery in America. There was a civil war for that
It was violence that gave blacks rights in 1964. This was after many violent clashes with the police and civil rights protesters.


What I am saying in summary is that in certain contexts, violence is the best option. It is not that I believe in violence. When you enslave people, they have a right to fight for their rights.

In this modern day Nigeria, I do not see the need for violence when there are avenues for redress and no-one is enslaving me.



I also hope that you are not coming from a religious view on morality (objective morality) because that would be very indefensible.

superhumanist:
Speaking about violence-

Koicereloaded, do not go around in the USA comparing Malcolm X to Hitler (or Boko Haram) because you will get beaten up for saying something both foolish and disrespectful towards black people.

As we all know, foolish ideas are very welcome on nairaland without consequences. In the real world, there are consequences.

I am not an American and so, I can tolerate your views on Malcolm X but I cant speak for everyone.

Ishilove:

My dear, Olu4life introduced me to the site and I must tell you i have had no regrets

olu4life:

Lol, you welcome

KoiceReloaded:

This is pointless. No point in derailing this thread further trying to reason with someone with such a delusional radical mentality. Smh.

KoiceReloaded:

Exactly my point. People that idolize Malcolm X are people with victim complex, basically violent minded people that will play the race card at any slightest opportunity and use it to provoke violence. Delusional entitled inferiority-complexed folks are easily provoked when people attack their infamous role models, but hey, it's a free world, right? You're entitled to your half-baked ideologies. Even asssholes have opinions.


And on this note, I'm ending this pointless debate. Good day.

KoiceReloaded:
This is not technically a spoiler, just a speculation. There is a huge plothole in the Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom that still bugs me. It kind of ruined the whole movie for me, so I have decided to draw parallels from other movies with huge plot altering holes.


- Suicide Squad: have no idea what that chick was up to. Y'know, the pretty one with the baseball bat. Others have something that made them integral part of the team, but what made her as important? Anyone can swing a baseball bat. This sh*t still bugs me.