Yes i believe

Divepen: Yes i believe

Good.

Question 1
How do we reconcile your belief with the actions of a God who ordered the death of the wife of Achan and his children for a sin only Achan committed?

PS: This is like killing you and your mother for an offence your father committed.

At that time there was no mediator between men and God...
Everone say where there is no law there is no sin..
And to every sin there is a punishment God had made several rules ...
On the case of Achan, the lord had told them not to take anything...

The rule then was you sin your children and you go for it
but later in the book of Ezekiel he said every man to himself

Yet God still does that in this present world...
Anybody that has join himself unto God's army and now start meddling with things of this world will receive his punishment...though it might take time because God can be perseverin

Divepen: At that time there was no mediator between men and God...
Everone say where there is no law there is no sin..
And to every sin there is a punishment God had made several rules ...
On the case of Achan, the lord had told them not to take anything...

The rule then was you sin your children and you go for it
but later in the book of Ezekiel he said every man to himself

Question 2

Do you really feel there is justice in a rule that stipulates killing an innocent child for the crimes of his father when he had no power to prevent the activity of his father?

Moreso, if the rule was that just and fair, why was it abolished in the book of Ezekiel? Doesn't that ring a bell?

rationalmind:

Question 2

Do you really feel there is justice in a rule that stipulates killing an innocent child for the crimes of his father when he had no power to prevent the activity of his father?

Moreso, if the rule was that just and fair, why was it abolished in the book of Ezekiel? Doesn't that ring a bell?

He is God,he does as e pleases...
If you ever read the bible, you will notice that Later some fathers were good while their sons were bad...
So he had to start allowing individuals to be punished for their sin***Note i am not God's advocate...


He made Isreal note that He love righteousness and can destroy them if they refuse to obey him...If you remember the flood,children were there....

Divepen:

He is God,he does as e pleases...
If you ever read the bible, you will notice that Later some fathers were good while their sons were bad...
So he had to start allowing individuals to be punished for their sin***Note i am not God's advocate...


He made Isreal note that He love righteousness and can destroy them if they refuse to obey him...If you remember the flood,children were there....

Question 3.

I'm confused. Honestly confused. Maybe you help clear my confusion.

When children were good and their fathers were bad, he stipulated a rule that allowed children to be killed for the offences of their fathers.

When fathers were now good and children bad, he abolished the rule for killing one for the offence of another.

How does this remotely qualify as justice?

PS: you said ure not an advocate of God. If you believe God is just, you should be able to explain why you feel he's just when the bible seem to portray him as unjust.

Yes i wanted to tell you I am answering on why he is Just ....i blv he is Just...

As for the father case#
I was going to say some sons were good and some fathers bad
and also we have good father and bad sons


But you should note..
That there were other people who had done wrong things..and were punished..

But According to God's rule then Whenever a man sin the sin's punishment wl count till seven generation....but he,in his loving kindness decided to remove..none would question him

Divepen: Yes i wanted to tell you I am answering on why he is Just ....i blv he is Just...

As for the father case#
I was going to say some sons were good and some fathers bad
and also we have good father and bad sons


But you should note..
That there were other people who had done wrong things..and were punished..

But According to God's rule then Whenever a man sin the sin's punishment wl count till seven generation....but he,in his loving kindness decided to remove..none would question him

We both have explained our positions already. There's no need to start going in circles. The judgment rests with the readers.

On to my next question.

Sub question 4.

Do you hold that God knows all things?

Yes

Divepen: Yes

How do you reconcile your belief God knows all things with him asking

1.Adam where he was when he got to the garden of eden?

2. Asking him if he has eaten from the fruit he commanded them not to eat

3. And asking even eve what she did.

If he knew all these things why was he asking? What's the sense in asking what one already knows?

rationalmind:

How do you reconcile your belief God knows all things with him asking

1.Adam where he was when he got to the garden of eden?

2. Asking him if he has eaten from the fruit he commanded them not to eat

3. And asking even eve what she did.

If he knew all these things why was he asking? What's the sense in asking what one already knows?

Well,Before any man can receive salvation he must confess...God love people confessing their sin...
E love people takin responsility of their actions

He knew what had happened but he wanted Adam to confess...
Who knows if Adam had said I ate of the Apple and I am sorry...we might not be dealin with tis topic but he refused to take responsibility

Divepen:



Well,Before any man can receive salvation he must confess...God love people confessing their sin...
E love people takin responsility of their actions

He knew what had happened but he wanted Adam to confess...
Who knows if Adam had said I ate of the Apple and I am sorry...we might not be dealin with tis topic but he refused to take responsibility

You didn't address the question. However, since I have one more question left, I have to leave this and move to my punchline question.

Sub question 5.

Do you believe the pains ladies go through while giving birth is a result of the curse God placed on eve saying "in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children"?

Yes

Divepen: Yes

Good.

But how come the same curse he placed on men no longer holds for majority of men. He said "in sorrow shalt thou eat all the days of your life"

I personally don't know any man who eats in sorrow all the days of his life. I'm even an example. I don't know about you though.

Seems like labour pains actually has nothing to do with Gods curse. Don't you think so? Or perhaps, men have found a way to outsmart God.

*Smiles*
You sees in the garden there were fruit that are there free of Charge for everyone to take but at the advent of the fall,man was forced to work for themselve...
Rich men even work...if not why would they have to thnk

Let it be noted that the same God who placed this curse later made provision for the men's comfort Genesis 2-3 tells us of how he clothed them later..and that is why he sought a way to reconcile us back to him


TABLE TURN

Divepen: *Smiles*
You sees in the garden there were fruit that are there free of Charge for everyone to take but at the advent of the fall,man was forced to work for themselve...
Rich men even work...if not why would they have to thnk

Let it be noted that the same God who placed this curse later made provision for the men's comfort Genesis 2-3 tells us of how he clothed them later..and that is why he sought a way to reconcile us back to him


TABLE TURN

. This your answer no be here o. I suspected you'll not be able to answer it.

Anyway, over to you. Your questions.

It must be a relief to you I've stopped asking

naoh's ark was found by scientists in a cave...I watched the documentary....
What do you have to say about that

rationalmind:

. This your answer no be here o. I suspected you'll not be able to answer it.

Anyway, over to you. Your questions.

It must be a relief to you I've stopped asking

Hmmmm....I answered your question...
Only that you wanted me to proof why we are living happily now.. And say men are living under curse to instigate debates ...No ...I'm not after a debate ...I am after souls,s ir so let's continue.
But i will

Divepen: naoh's ark was found by scientists in a cave...I watched the documentary....
What do you have to say about that

1. It might be forgery. The shroud of turin was also found recently only to be debunked later as forgery.

2. And just how do you expect me to believe that an ark built around 6,000 years ago was still found? Don't termites exist where the ark is? Or wasn't it made of wood? Even if it was coated which I doubt, the coat must have long washed away.

Divepen: At that time there was no mediator between men and God...
Everone say where there is no law there is no sin..
And to every sin there is a punishment God had made several rules ...
On the case of Achan, the lord had told them not to take anything...

The rule then was you sin your children and you go for it
but later in the book of Ezekiel he said every man to himself

Blasphemy!!!!! God never changes. He remains the same yesterday, today and forever

Singing *Unchangeable, Unchangeable, Unchangeable god..* *whistling****

Area_boy:

Blasphemy!!!!! God never changes. He remains the same yesterday, today and forever

Singing *Unchangeable, Unchangeable, Unchangeable god..* *whistling****

God is unchangeable but flexible.

Well it's still a mysery that has not been dissaproved
*God is unchangeable but he can change his law out of compassion

Question two

what will happen to you when you die

Divepen: Well it's still a mysery that has not been dissaproved
*God is unchangeable but he can change his law out of compassion

Question two

what will happen to you when you die

I just gave you two grounds on which it can be disproved.

I don't think anything happens when I die. Everything ends here.

I don't know if this addresses the documentary you watched. But you can check it so you can be careful when next you claims about noahs ark being found

www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/bogus.html

Just Copy the link to your browser.

Here is another from a christian website

www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=13&article=1341

Do you believe there is satan

Divepen: Do you believe there is satan

NO! NO!! NO!!! NO!!!! NO!!!!! NO!!!!!! NO!!!!!!!

Have you ever imagine how life would be if there was no one talking to you about God

@divepen,sorry for the interuption but i have my own questions:1.where will all our ancestors that where existing before christianity was brought go to 2.why do animals go through labour pains if it was only eve that ate the fruit 3.where will everybody in non-christian nations like saudi arabia,tibet,burma etc go to.Thank you in advance as i await you CLEAR AND CONCISE ANSWERS.PS: bible passages are not necessary just straight answers

I will soon be through wt d que for Rational then u can ask me

Divepen: Have you ever imagine how life would be if there was no one talking to you about God

And of what good has it been talking to me about God? There are countries that are dominated by atheist where its difficult to imagine anybody talks to anyone about God. How has life been there?

With or without someone talking to me about God, life goes on.