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Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by gtrust: 4:22pm On Dec 18, 2013
taharqa: The budget for 2010 was not laid by Yar'adua, but by d Finance Minister. And Does d President of USA physically present d budget to d US Congress annually?... Anyways, we await d reason for d move by d Presidency...

Thank you!

The Youngman has just refused to do any researches and he is here posting rubbish.

There are many other instances and Like I said before, I spend my time to watch and read them!
If anyone wants to dispute the facts, please, just do your research and stop the nonsense.

The President might want to present the State of The Nation Address on another day, who knows.
The Government have been trying to present their budgets as early as possible so as to have it passed and approved by National Assembly before 1st of January every year.
Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by matzoro(m): 4:27pm On Dec 18, 2013
Symphony007: hey mister! This is not a parliamentary system of government. So in your bid to defend this shambolic action you want to challenge a constitutional requirement that the president address a joint session of the national assembly once a year? And who told you that the president appearing before the joint session is just to present a budget? The president also outlines his achievement for the years and what he intends doing the next. As leader of the country his speech will encompass the budget, works, healthcare, education,etc. So by your own twisted knowledge where the finance minister gives the speech, she speaks of only her field and then gives way for the education minister, he finished gives way to the health minister,etc. Such pathetic thinking. Even in the u.k where the chancellor of the exchequer presents the autumn statement, the prime minister still recaps all he has said as leader of the government. So the united states where the president delivers the annual state of the union address is not a civilized country?

Partisanship has made you throw caution to the wind and vomit this abominable comment. It's revolting.
Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by Nobody: 4:29pm On Dec 18, 2013
According to Section 81 of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, 1999, “the President shall cause to be prepared and laid before each House of the National Assembly at any time in each financial year estimates of the revenues and expenditure of the Federation for the next following financial year”. Accordingly, when the FGN budget is formulated and processed and approved by the Federal Executive Council it is formally “laid before each House of the National Assembly” as stipulated by the Constitution. Budget information is presented in a way that facilitates policy analysis and promotes accountability. Budget data is reported on a gross basis, distinguishing revenue, expenditure, and financing, with expenditure classified by economic, functional, and administrative category. Data on extra-budgetary activities is reported on the same basis. Statement of objectives to be achieved by major budget programs is provided. The overall balance of the general government is a standard summary indicator of the government’s fiscal position. This is contained in the President’s Budget Speech for the new fiscal year.

Budget Office Of The Federation

I see where Presido gets his wiggle room from - "the President shall cause to be prepared and laid before each House of the National Assembly" grin

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Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by Symphony007: 4:40pm On Dec 18, 2013
taharqa: The budget for 2010 was not laid by Yar'adua, but by d Finance Minister. And Does d President of USA physically present d budget to d US Congress annually?... Anyways, we await d reason for d move by d Presidency...
the 2010 budget presentation was not presented by a minister, it was actually presented by sen. Mohammed abba aji, special adviser to pres. Yar adua on national assembly and that was because the president was sick in saudi arabia. And due to the controversy surrounding succession to the presidency jonathan recused himself. Due to the fact that no one could do it, sen. Aji was allowed to but not in a joint session of the assembly. He presented the budgets to each house individualy and did'nt utter a word in the process talk less of a speech. Secondly the united states does not operate government as childishly as nigeria. The u.s government can go years without passing a budget. Budgets are not even presented. They are agreed upon by the president and congressional leaders then put to a vote.
Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by aventura: 4:43pm On Dec 18, 2013
Notice how the Speaker looks away?
Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by GentleFrank(m): 4:43pm On Dec 18, 2013
Good !
Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by omiobo: 4:43pm On Dec 18, 2013
This is wrong!
Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by Symphony007: 4:44pm On Dec 18, 2013
eGuerrilla:

Budget Office Of The Federation

I see where Presido gets his wiggle room from - "the President shall cause to be prepared and laid before each House of the National Assembly" grin
it is highly disrespectfull of the presidency to send a minister not even the vice president, but a minister to do this when there is no crisis in the presidency whatsoever stopping the president or his vice from carrying this out.
Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by manny4life(m): 4:46pm On Dec 18, 2013
Symphony007: the 2010 budget presentation was not presented by a minister, it was actually presented by sen. Mohammed abba aji, special adviser to pres. Yar adua on national assembly and that was because the president was sick in saudi arabia. And due to the controversy surrounding succession to the presidency jonathan recused himself. Due to the fact that no one could do it, sen. Aji was allowed to but not in a joint session of the assembly. He presented the budgets to each house individualy and did'nt utter a word in the process talk less of a speech. Secondly the united states does not operate government as childishly as nigeria. The u.s government can go years without passing a budget. Budgets are not even presented. They are agreed upon by the president and congressional leaders then put to a vote.

The bold part is simply outrageous and very untrue, if this was the case, how come on Oct 1st, 2013, the FG shutdown because there was a budget impasse? Next , budgets are presented before Congress (both houses) where deliberation begins by Congressional leaders.

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Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by Nobody: 4:47pm On Dec 18, 2013
This is white lie. The constitution says it must be Mr. President or no dice.
Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by chiteny(m): 4:48pm On Dec 18, 2013
Afam4eva:
But don't you think we should be leaning towards having the likes of Okonjo Iweala as the [/b]substantive [b]president because they understand the issues. It seems to me that the way our system is structured, the president is very similar to a ceremonial one with little understanding of how the economy functions. We need to technocratize our presidential system.

Bros no try am o! you want make Nigeria borrow all World Bank money finish??
Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by nairacodedcom(m): 4:49pm On Dec 18, 2013
I think the presidency is avoiding the presentation intentionally. The previous attempts did not go well, especially now that APC is the majority in the house of REPS.
Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by Nobody: 4:49pm On Dec 18, 2013
Hahahahaha
...as in ehn..BODY LANGUAGE things..

See what tam
buwal has caused..nw he has scared the shit outta ol' boy jona
Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by Nobody: 4:50pm On Dec 18, 2013
Symphony007: it is highly disrespectfull of the presidency to send a minister not even the vice president, but a minister to do this when there is no crisis in the presidency whatsoever stopping the president or his vice from carrying this out.

I echo your sentiments, you know. But then leaving my subjective views to one side, I think section 81 of our constitution makes it clear that all the President needs to do is to ensure the budget is prepared and presented. It is pretty much silence on who should actually deliver the good tidings.
Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by taharqa: 4:54pm On Dec 18, 2013
Symphony007: the 2010 budget presentation was not presented by a minister, it was actually presented by sen. Mohammed abba aji, special adviser to pres. Yar adua on national assembly and that was because the president was sick in saudi arabia. And due to the controversy surrounding succession to the presidency jonathan recused himself. Due to the fact that no one could do it, sen. Aji was allowed to but not in a joint session of the assembly. He presented the budgets to each house individualy and did'nt utter a word in the process talk less of a speech. Secondly the united states does not operate government as childishly as nigeria. The u.s government can go years without passing a budget. Budgets are not even presented. They are agreed upon by the president and congressional leaders then put to a vote.
In oda words, you were wrong when you EXPRESSLY said that at No time has an official rep the President present the budget physicali b4 d NA And that Presidents physicali present d annual budget b4 their NAs. Thnk you very mush..... I accept the correction on who laid that budget in 2010. Thnks again.

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Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by Dee60: 4:54pm On Dec 18, 2013
Ngwakwe:

Dr Ngozi Okonjo Iweala has been functioning as de facto Prime Minister and nothing surprising about that.

There is no such position in Nigeria. She is a minister and that is what the law recognizes. When she was presented to the NA she was nominated and presented as minister to be.

Let us just pray for the President at these turbulent times. There are two kinds of people around him presenting themselves as friends, aides and ministers. Some are caretakers while the others are undertakers. May the eyes of the President be opened and may he have the courage to send home the undertakers before they finish him!

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Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by donphilopus: 4:55pm On Dec 18, 2013
It doesn't make sense atall, for a minister to adress the National Assembly, in Budget presentation!
Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by Symphony007: 4:55pm On Dec 18, 2013
manny4life:

The bold part is simply outrageous and very untrue, if this was the case, how come on Oct 1st, 2013, the FG shutdown because there was a budget impasse? Next is, budgets are presented before Congress (both houses) where deliberation begins by Congressional leaders.
what budget impass? The issue then was a government shutdown. The inability of democrats and republicans to agree to a budget in 3 years caused them to run governent by make shift legislation and monetary allocation. So on the 1 of oct. The u.s government was going to run out of money if congress does'nt release some. Republicans refused saying before they release more money, obama must either defund or delay his healthcare law for one year. He refused and the government shut down. After days of shutdown and pressure. The republicans finally legislated funding for the government till january 15 2014 and the government reopened. Do you understand?
Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by kambah(m): 4:56pm On Dec 18, 2013
Symphony007: Why would the president send a minister to present the national budget and address a joint session of the national assembly? Not even the vice president. That's rather insulting and unprecedented. I suggest and senate president and speaker refuse such a request. If the two topmost men in the nation are two busy to do this which is outright impossible. Then they should just send the budget with a letter. A joint session of the national assembly cannot meet to be addressed by a minister.

Politics must not be injected into everything.



what do u know about Coordinating nd minister of finance Dr Ngozi Okonjo Iweala.
Her contributions towards economy of Nigeria and put together of joint session of assembllly members cannot be compare.

Alll of us know that 80percent of assembly members are bench-warmers. imagine a representative who had been in the house since 1999 and till date have not even attempt to sponsor a bill that can benefit Nigerians.
Also, he never participated in a hot debate on the floor but only raise hand to support or not to.

So nominating finance minister is not bad idea.
Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by luvkia(m): 4:57pm On Dec 18, 2013
while one can easily see the politics in his refusal to face the house members, it is not a constitutional requirement that he must be present in person. In may countries, the present only forward the budget through the house leaders.
Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by Nobody: 4:58pm On Dec 18, 2013
it is not a big deal. minister can represent mr president.
Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by Symphony007: 4:59pm On Dec 18, 2013
taharqa: In oda words, you were wrong when you EXPRESSLY said that at No time has an official rep the President present the budget physicali b4 d NA And that Presidents physicali present d annual budget b4 their NAs. Thnk you very mush..... I accept the correction on who laid that budget in 2010. Thnks again.
you're most welcome. But let me make myself clear...never at anytime when their was no crisis in the presidency has the president sent someone to present the budget.
Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by nkemKalu: 4:59pm On Dec 18, 2013
Symphony007: Why would the president send a minister to present the national budget and address a joint session of the national assembly? Not even the vice president. That's rather insulting and unprecedented. I suggest and senate president and speaker refuse such a request. If the two topmost men in the nation are two busy to do this which is outright impossible. Then they should just send the budget with a letter. A joint session of the national assembly cannot meet to be addressed by a minister.

Politics must not be injected into everything.
........The President has stage fright. ......it is that simple
Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by aminatenny: 5:07pm On Dec 18, 2013
What a joke he is simply A figure head president shying away from his responsibility
Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by manny4life(m): 5:13pm On Dec 18, 2013
Symphony007: what budget impass? The issue then was a government shutdown. The inability of democrats and republicans to agree to a budget in 3 years caused them to run governent by make shift legislation and monetary allocation. So on the 1 of oct. The u.s government was going to run out of money if congress does'nt release some. Republicans refused saying before they release more money, obama must either defund or delay his healthcare law for one year. He refused and the government shut down. After days of shutdown and pressure. The republicans finally legislated funding for the government till january 15 2014 and the government reopened. Do you understand?

Please stop beating around in circle, you stated that the government can go without a budget, here is your statement again.

Symphony007:
The u.s government can go years without passing a budget. Budgets are not even presented. They are agreed upon by the president and congressional leaders then put to a vote.

This just shows you either Google or have no clue on what you're talking about. The way you muddled the budget and debt ceiling is too amazing, I like how you twist and turn things around. Year 11, 12 and 13 had budgets passed and approved by Congress, the govt shutdown on Oct 1st simply because left and right wingers couldn't agree, which was the impasse, there was a whole lot on the table particularly the fiscal cliff involving sequestration/budget cuts, tax benefits and extension, and then you have the "Defund Obamacare".

However, the treasury had spending authority up till Oct 14th or 15th I believe, the govt already shutdown two weeks prior to that because the govt's fiscal cycle starts from Oct 1st to Sept 30th, so please don't mix up the two. After the govt shutdown for 16days and reopened on Oct 17th, the republicans decided to go along with democrats and pass a temporary spending bill that will authorize govt to reopen as well as give them borrowing authority to give them ample time to deal with the budget sequestration.

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Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by UnknownT: 5:31pm On Dec 18, 2013
Ngwakwe: The Political Climate in Nigeria is highly polarised, moreover, economics of budgeting is not his forte as some disgruntled law makers may wish to challenge and expose his weaknesses during the presentation (by demanding facts and figures) in a bid to ridicule and render him unelected come 2015.

This is just a calculated risk which he thinks will favour him for now.

No be d same National Assembly members wey dey tell ministerial nominees to just bow n go? Wetin dem know dem wan ask am sef?
Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by Nobody: 5:41pm On Dec 18, 2013
This thread is filled with intelligence...make I just dey observe the proceeding page by page.

Shall comment immediately someone gets off mark.
Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by themaskedman: 5:46pm On Dec 18, 2013
The President isn‘t obliged or do I say it‘s not mandatory for him to personally present the budget before the joint meeting of the NASS. Section 67 (1) makes it clear that “The President MAY attend any joint meeting of the National Assembly or any meeting of either House of the National Assembly, either to deliver an address on national affaird, including FISCAL MEASURES, or to make such statements on the policy of government as he considers to be of national importance.“

Lets be guided by the 1999 Constitution. The President hasn‘t breached any provision of the constitution.
Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by maclatunji: 5:47pm On Dec 18, 2013
Symphony007: Why would the president send a minister to present the national budget and address a joint session of the national assembly? Not even the vice president. That's rather insulting and unprecedented. I suggest and senate president and speaker refuse such a request. If the two topmost men in the nation are two busy to do this which is outright impossible. Then they should just send the budget with a letter. A joint session of the national assembly cannot meet to be addressed by a minister.

Politics must not be injected into everything.

I agree. If the president is too "afraid" to present the budget to the National Assembly, the lawmakers should send the minister back to her boss.
Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by Paentera(m): 6:06pm On Dec 18, 2013
gtrust:

In most civilized Nations, the office of minister for finance and headed by the finance mininster ALWAYS presents the budget!
Check it out.
You can even watch United Kingdom budget presentation right now on YouTube!
It is usually a big occasion when you see the minister for finance (chancellor of the exchequer) carrying the 2000 years old small red briefcase and parading it infront of the media before heading to the parliament to read it.

Stop being 'sentimental without facts'!

Which 2000 years old briefcase? You've been caught with your hand in the cookie jar! There's no briefcase that exists for 2000 years as it has been changed regularly over the past few years. You can read here for more information - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chancellor_of_the_Exchequer#Budget_box
Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by Nobody: 6:10pm On Dec 18, 2013
Anyway my verdict:

1. In November 2013, he wanted to present the budget proposal to both chambers, but they had not reconciled and agreed on a benchmark for crude oil.

2. Now that they have agreed to $77.50 per barrel benchmark for crude oil, he is indisposed. Maybe on annual vacation or Christmas break, hence you can not fault him.
Re: Okonjo-Iweala To Present 2014 Budget To National Assembly by Symphony007: 6:15pm On Dec 18, 2013
manny4life:

Please stop beating around in circle, you stated that the government can go without a budget, here is your statement again.



This just shows you either Google or have no clue on what you're talking about. The way you muddled the budget and debt ceiling is too amazing, I like how you twist and turn things around. Year 11, 12 and 13 had budgets passed and approved by Congress, the govt shutdown on Oct 1st simply because left and right wingers couldn't agree, which was the impasse, there was a whole lot on the table particularly the fiscal cliff involving sequestration/budget cuts, tax benefits and extension, and then you have the "Defund Obamacare".

However, the treasury had spending authority up till Oct 14th or 15th I believe, the govt already shutdown two weeks prior to that because the govt's fiscal cycle starts from Oct 1st to Sept 30th, so please don't mix up the two. After the govt shutdown for 16days and reopened on Oct 17th, the republicans decided to go along with democrats and pass a temporary spending bill that will authorize govt to reopen as well as give them borrowing authority to give them ample time to deal with the budget sequestration.
tired of talking.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2012/0214/No-budget-No-problem!-The-strange-politics-behind-a-budgetless-America

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