harbiola1: @ALL, Can I ask a question?

OLAADEGBU: "My wife is pregnant - will my daughter be born in sin? If so -- why? That is like saying in a court of law -- you are guilty until proven innocent. Is that what Christians want?" - Alex Stoute

Response:

If you already had children you wouldn't need to ask that question. Of course she will be born with a sinful human nature ("born in sin" is your wording). You will spend years correcting her and teaching her to do what is right, because she will intuitively know how to do what is morally wrong. She will know how to be selfish, and because you love her you will teach her to share. She will know how to lie. Hopefully, you will teach her to speak the truth. She will instinctively know how to be disobedient to you and your wife. You will teach her to obey, because you love her. Sin it has nothing to do with being guilty until you are proven innocent. It's one of life's realities.

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RoyPCain: it seems as those that are supporting olaadegbu and the author of the piece he posted are as usual selective of what they take/accept from Jesus, though they say he is their ultimate. if my opinion above is correct and i will show you why, below, how can they say Jesus is gonna be happy with them, if he were given the opportunity to make decision about their end; paradise or hellfire?


why some were using psalm as basis of agreement, they conveniently forget that Jesus classified the 'children' as the 'QUALITY' of paradise.

now how is it possible that prophet Jesus [AS] for both christians and muslims will adduce that the quality to enter paradise must be that of little children if they are in sin? being sinful nature is not the same as committing sin. after all some people who have 'stealing nature' can not be called a thief if they never stole. so are those who have the the nature of other vices; it is mere potential until you act it out!


how is legal sexual marriage sinful when it is ordained by God? whatever God ordained, it is not sinful in the specific format God ordained it because ultimately, it is God Who, Alone decides what is sin and what isnt.

an example of action not sinful because of God ordaining it, specifically in the occasions; prostration is normally worship and it belongs solely to God. but in two instances God permits it as command [Obedience as worship of God] when the angels prostrated to Adam [AS] upon being created and giving all the names of things. it is the disobedience of satan [iblis who is a jinn] in the company of angels that made him a 'disbeliever, arrogant/proud] being because God used this "Command" to reveal his evil inner self of satan.

Jacob who had became Israel and his family prostrated to Joseph so that the dream of Prophet Joseph [AS] is a reality, in spite of all the plans of his brothers because of his father's love for him.


God created man in the best of mode so much so that He commanded prostration upon the Angels [Gabriel and Michael included]. how do you arrive at making what God permissible [sexual intercourse in Marriage] sinful [what is sinful is forbidden]? where are your evidence unless you pit David/Psalm against Jesus/Gospel and which one is the winner, if you think David and Psalm are correct and generalize correctly?


sometimes those who claim to have superior religious knowledge expose their manner of deception. the same David the christians and their jewish allies say involved in sexual misconduct so much so that he snatched wife of his general and have him killed, is now being accepted to make a point, even when the point is clearly opposite to the position of Jesus on the same matter!

i say Jesus is correct when he says not all those who called him what they call him will be in the kingdom and many of those that perform great wonders in his nme he will reject as workers of iniquity!


i conclude by saying the jews and christians have maligned the good name of prophet David [AS]. he was neither a wife snatcher nor a killer of innocent soul [the society through their system of law as long it is in agreement with Law of God, if they kill a bad person because of the corruption he is spreading, that is not an evil thing, but a good thing to stop him from continuing and for others to not imitate him in his evil way]. King David [AS] was a good man, a prophet of God and beloved.


If children who have not done any good is made to be the quality of those that will qualify to dwell in Paradise, how do we say his "Adamic nature" is enough to stop him, when grown people are told to be like him? what sin has a child committed because of his sinful nature, olaadegbu? most of you people are hypocrites because you are grown with all of the faults of adults, but think you will be in Paradise while a new born is condemned by you.

Joagbaje: Everyone of us were born in sin.

Joagbaje: Everyone of us were born in sin.

tao186:

ask google.

OLAADEGBU: "My wife is pregnant - will my daughter be born in sin? If so -- why? That is like saying in a court of law -- you are guilty until proven innocent. Is that what Christians want?" - Alex Stoute

Response:

If you already had children you wouldn't need to ask that question. Of course she will be born with a sinful human nature ("born in sin" is your wording). You will spend years correcting her and teaching her to do what is right, because she will intuitively know how to do what is morally wrong. She will know how to be selfish, and because you love her you will teach her to share. She will know how to lie. Hopefully, you will teach her to speak the truth. She will instinctively know how to be disobedient to you and your wife. You will teach her to obey, because you love her. Sin it has nothing to do with being guilty until you are proven innocent. It's one of life's realities.

Do the Test --> www.NeedGod.com

From_Guiriga:


Why are Christian pastors advocating marriage if the married couple will have children. Perpetuating this "born in sin" problem?

Give thanks.