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Desmond Tutuh Supports Euthanasia (assisted Death). Whats Your Take. by Nobody: 12:14pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
Desmond Tutuh now supports Euthanasia - a thing he use to be against. What do you guys think about Euthanasia. Is Euthanasia against sanctity of life? Assisted dying: Desmond Tutu signals support 13 July 2014 Last updated at 09:34 Retired Anglican South African Archbishop Desmond Tutu said: "The fact is that I have changed my mind" Desmond Tutu has said he would support assisted dying for the terminally ill. Writing in The Observer he said he reveres "the sanctity of life but not at any cost". He also suggested that prolonging the life of Nelson Mandela had been an "affront" to his dignity. His comments follow a U-turn by former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey, who also said he would support assisted dying for the terminally ill. The Church of England (CofE) has called for an inquiry into the issue. In his column the 82-year-old retired Anglican Archbishop of South Africa said: "I think when you need machines to help you breathe, then you have to ask questions about the quality of life being experienced and about the way money is being spent." He also described as "disgraceful" how former South African leader Nelson Mandela was kept alive with intensive hospitalisation in the final stages of his life and was photographed with various visiting politicians. He said: "You could see Madiba [Nelson Mandela] was not fully there. He did not speak. He was not connecting. My friend was no longer himself. It was an affront to Madiba's dignity. "Yes, I think a lot of people would be upset if I said I wanted assisted dying. I would say I wouldn't mind actually." He said: "I have been fortunate to spend my life working for dignity for the living. Now I wish to apply my mind to the issue of dignity for the dying. I revere the sanctity of life - but not at any cost." His comments follow those of Lord Carey, who wrote in the Daily Mail that he had dropped his opposition to the Assisted Dying Bill - due for debate in the House of Lords on Friday - "in the face of the reality of needless suffering". "The fact is that I have changed my mind. The old philosophical certainties have collapsed in the face of the reality of needless suffering," he wrote. Assisted dying debate What is the current law on assisted dying around the UK? The 1961 Suicide Act makes it an offence to encourage or assist a suicide or a suicide attempt in England and Wales. Anyone doing so could face up to 14 years in prison. The law is almost identical in Northern Ireland. There is no specific law on assisted suicide in Scotland, creating some uncertainty, although in theory someone could be prosecuted under homicide legislation. Have there been any previous attempts to change the law? There have already been several attempts to legalise assisted dying, but these have been rejected. The Commission on Assisted Dying, established and funded by campaigners who have been calling for a change in the law, concluded in 2012 that there was a "strong case" for allowing assisted suicide for people who are terminally ill in England and Wales. But the medical profession and disability rights groups, among others, argue that the law should not be changed because it is there to protect the vulnerable in society. What is the situation abroad? In other countries, such as Belgium, Luxembourg and the Netherlands, legislation has been introduced to allow assisted dying. France is considering a possible introduction of similar legislation, although there is opposition from its medical ethics council. Campaign group Dignity in Dying predicts that a lot more countries will follow suit. However, the current Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, regards the Assisted Dying Bill as "mistaken and dangerous" and the Church of England (CofE) wants to see an inquiry into the issue. The Church said a Royal Commission would include expert opinion and could carefully assess the various arguments. It believes the current bill should be withdrawn to allow that inquiry to take place - a call rejected by Lord Falconer, the Labour peer who tabled it. Some 110 peers are already listed to speak in the House of Lords when the bill is debated on Friday. Desmond Tutu has pointed out that the debate will take place on Mandela Day, which would have been the former South African president's 96th birthday. http://m.bbc.com/news/uk-28282323 |
Re: Desmond Tutuh Supports Euthanasia (assisted Death). Whats Your Take. by EddyNumerouno(m): 12:17pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
To keep. Loved one in a vegetative state is a tough decision to make, but I believe the "vegetable" will rather want to go meet his maker 3 Likes |
Re: Desmond Tutuh Supports Euthanasia (assisted Death). Whats Your Take. by Nobody: 12:25pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
EddyNumerouno: To keep. Loved one in a vegetative state is a tough decision to make, but I believe the "vegetable" will rather want to go meet his maker thanks for response |
Re: Desmond Tutuh Supports Euthanasia (assisted Death). Whats Your Take. by Nobody: 1:16pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
Papa Tutu has spoken from the experience of seeing Madiba medically kept alive even when his spirit was long gone. Yes, I will subscribe to it but only my wife should be my attorney if I be so incapacitated. |
Re: Desmond Tutuh Supports Euthanasia (assisted Death). Whats Your Take. by nora544: 1:24pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
It is very good. I could remember when my mother has cancer and the doctor know that my mother told him that he should make nothing that will keep her alive. It was the same they make with my husband when he had cancer and there was no help, he could die in piece and no machines help him to stay alive for some weeks more!!!!!!!!!!! |
Re: Desmond Tutuh Supports Euthanasia (assisted Death). Whats Your Take. by Nobody: 2:29pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
but what about the centrality of faith, hope and love to the Christian teaching? Even from the dead, Jesus raised a Lazarus. |
Re: Desmond Tutuh Supports Euthanasia (assisted Death). Whats Your Take. by Nobody: 2:44pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
i can see so many of you supporting it are doing so on the ground of compassion. Lets see it this way, would you also support Eugenics? Eugenics is a scientific that seeks to improve the mental and physical characteristics of the human race by choosing who should be parent ie, who should get married and procreate or not. If you go into the lives and struggles of people of 'poor gene' eg migdets, you will be drawn by compassion too and may begin to support what many of them secretly believe - that thier likes may never procreate so as not to bring in more midgets who will withness the same pain they had to go through. How ok is that thinking? |
Re: Desmond Tutuh Supports Euthanasia (assisted Death). Whats Your Take. by italo: 7:21pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
What part of "thou shalt not kill" is difficult to understand? |
Re: Desmond Tutuh Supports Euthanasia (assisted Death). Whats Your Take. by TheBigUrban2: 7:53pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
italo: What part of "thou shalt not kill" is difficult to understand? Please, help me ask -the catholics that killed infidels during the crusades -the catholics and christians who vote for capital punishment 1 Like |
Re: Desmond Tutuh Supports Euthanasia (assisted Death). Whats Your Take. by Ubenedictus(m): 11:56pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
As regards Euthanasia, this is what i believe, Those whose lives are diminished or weakened deserve special respect. Sick or handicapped persons should be helped to lead lives as normal as possible. Whatever its motives and means, direct euthanasia consists in putting an end to the lives of handicapped, sick or dying persons. It is morally unacceptable. Thus an act or omission which, of itself or by intention, causes death in order to eliminate suffering constitutes a murder gravely contrary to the dignity of the human person and to the respect due to the living God, his Creator. The error of judgement into which one can fall in good faith does not change the nature of this murderous act, which must always be forbidden and excluded. Discontinuing medical procedures that are burdensome, dangerous, extraordinary, or disproportionate to the expected outcome can be legitimate; it is the refusal of 'over-zealous' treatment. Here one does not will to cause death; one's inability to impede it is merely accepted. The decisions should be made by the patient if he is competent and able or, if not, by those legally entitled to act for the patient, |
Re: Desmond Tutuh Supports Euthanasia (assisted Death). Whats Your Take. by TheBigUrban2: 12:05am On Jul 14, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: As regards Euthanasia, this is what i believe, @ bold In short, euthanasia is okay when it is costly. When a sick person begs for death because of pain.....dont do it because it is immoral When a sick person is too costly to keep alive........do it/kill the patient to save money/time/work This ridiculous reasoning from christians/catholilcs has caused misery around the world. It is funny how christians are always focused on the money |
Re: Desmond Tutuh Supports Euthanasia (assisted Death). Whats Your Take. by Ubenedictus(m): 12:46am On Jul 14, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2:i never said this! My response doesn't even mention "cost". I hope you don't enjoy lying When a sick person begs for death because of pain.....dont do it because it is immoraleverybody has one pain or the other, is that a reason to help them commit suicide? I think not. When a sick person is too costly to keep alive........do it/kill the patient to save money/time/worknever said this. This ridiculous reasoning from christians/catholilcs has caused misery around the world.i guess the "ridiculous reasoning" is the one you created for yourself. It is funny how christians are always focused on the moneymoney isn't even mentioned in my post. You see you have a comprehension problem? |
Re: Desmond Tutuh Supports Euthanasia (assisted Death). Whats Your Take. by italo: 8:51am On Jul 14, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: I don't know the Catholics that killed "infidels" during the crusades and the circumstances under which they killed. Some say they were fighting to defend Christians who had been decimated by Muslims who invaded for no reason. I don't know the Catholics who vote for capital punishment an their reasons for doing so...if I did, I would ask them why. But I do know you who advocate the killing of innocent, harmless and defenseless human beings through euthanasia. I ask you: what part of "thou shalt not kill" is difficult to understand? 2 Likes |
Re: Desmond Tutuh Supports Euthanasia (assisted Death). Whats Your Take. by TheBigUrban2: 9:23am On Jul 14, 2014 |
italo: you just defended the crusades. Goodbye. There is no need discussing with someone not ready to tell the truth 1 Like |
Re: Desmond Tutuh Supports Euthanasia (assisted Death). Whats Your Take. by TheBigUrban2: 9:27am On Jul 14, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: i never said this! My response doesn't even mention "cost". I hope you don't enjoy lying Wait, what does your comment imply; Ubenedictus: Discontinuing medical procedures that are burdensome, dangerous, extraordinary, or disproportionate to the expected outcome can be legitimate; What makes a medical procedure burdensome or extraordinary? The cost of money and labour (especially when the patient isnt getting better). So let us be honest- you support Euthanasia on the basis of money. If a terminal patient is too costly, kill the vegetable!! |
Re: Desmond Tutuh Supports Euthanasia (assisted Death). Whats Your Take. by italo: 9:34am On Jul 14, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: 1. I dont remember defending or attacking the crusades. 2. If you don't like the crusades but like euthanasia, then... 3. What is the truth about the crusades? |
Re: Desmond Tutuh Supports Euthanasia (assisted Death). Whats Your Take. by Ubenedictus(m): 12:27pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2:read the comment in it context it is extraordinary, burdensome and even dangerous when the expected outcome of the procedure is death. When some one is brain dead and his organs are shutting down, it is considered extraordinary to put him on life support. It is not based on cost, but on the context of the medical procedure. To inject a lethal substance into a patient because his care is costly is still immoral and consider murder in catholicism. So it isn't about cost. |
Re: Desmond Tutuh Supports Euthanasia (assisted Death). Whats Your Take. by TheBigUrban2: 12:56pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: read the comment in it context it is extraordinary, burdensome and even dangerous when the expected outcome of the procedure is death. When some one is brain dead and his organs are shutting down, it is considered extraordinary to put him on life support. It is not based on cost, but on the context of the medical procedure. The main reason for removing life support is cost. It makes no difference if you give the vegetable patient a lethal injection or remove life support- you are killing him with both actions |
Re: Desmond Tutuh Supports Euthanasia (assisted Death). Whats Your Take. by Ubenedictus(m): 1:14pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2:i disagree on both count. |
Re: Desmond Tutuh Supports Euthanasia (assisted Death). Whats Your Take. by TheBigUrban2: 9:18pm On Jul 16, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: i disagree on both count. lol....I understand. I exposed your flawed thinking. |
Re: Desmond Tutuh Supports Euthanasia (assisted Death). Whats Your Take. by Ubenedictus(m): 10:43am On Jul 17, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2:rather you exposed your flawed thinking, there is a difference between accepting inevitable death, and actually causing death. But in your flawed thinking you don't see the difference. |
Re: Desmond Tutuh Supports Euthanasia (assisted Death). Whats Your Take. by TheBigUrban2: 5:06pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: rather you exposed your flawed thinking, there is a difference between accepting inevitable death, and actually causing death. What? You dont know that most, if not all euthanasia patients are facing certain death? They have terminal illnesses. They just want to die quicker because of the pain. There is no difference between removing life support from someone with terminal illness and giving a lethal injection to someone with terminal illness. You are killing both patients |
Re: Desmond Tutuh Supports Euthanasia (assisted Death). Whats Your Take. by Ubenedictus(m): 2:38am On Jul 22, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: sorry dear its not the same thing, in one case the patient dies of natural causes in the other he is killed by a deadly substance. |
Re: Desmond Tutuh Supports Euthanasia (assisted Death). Whats Your Take. by TheBigUrban2: 2:59am On Jul 22, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: Nope, one dies because his medication was taken away and the other dies because he was given relief medication. They both died because the doctor chose to change their medication |
Re: Desmond Tutuh Supports Euthanasia (assisted Death). Whats Your Take. by Ubenedictus(m): 12:07pm On Jul 23, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: if lethal substances are relief medication, i hope you take them the next time you have a headache. |
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