It has often been said that Mary conceived without a Man and gave birth to Jesus, but I am beginning to doubt certain parts of this story for the following reasons :

1. Jesus was to come from the seed of David which means from the lineage of his fleshly descendants , if God was his father, how could this have been fulfilled.

2. Paul makes not one mention of this supposed miraculous and major event even though it has been established that many of his letters precede most of the gospels, why ?

3. None of the apostles mentioned this in their letters or sermons , why ?

4. The books of Luke and Matthew contain conflicting accounts of this event, why ?

5. Is it not an abomination to suggest that God made Mary pregnant ? I am really beginning to have a problem with this.

6. I have read a lot of articles from Jewish sites and they see this as an abomination and almost laughable, should they not be the ones to know more about this ?

7. No other gospel mentions this story even Mark which is the oldest gospel, why ?


Help me please people !


Thanks and please let us keep this civil.

You keep pushing this, Frosbel, you're going to lose your faith.

Apatheist: You keep pushing this, Frosbel, you're going to lose your faith.

Not at all, I am returning to the true faith.

frosbel:

Not at all, I am returning to the true faith.

Which is?
We all are born agnostic -atheist

Apatheist:
Which is?
We all are born agnostic -atheist

The faith of Abraham who is the father of all nations.

frosbel:

The faith of Abraham who is the father of all nations.

Your ancestors were millennia before "Abraham '
There were countless cultures before Abraham.

Apatheist:
Your ancestors were millennia before "Abraham '
There were countless cultures before Abraham.

Faith of Abraham which was established through Christ Jesus as the blessing for all mankind.

Lool. Funny OP. You still wanna remain in the faith of Abraham right?.

Wasn't it written in Torah(old testament) that a virgin will conceive without knowing a man?

frosbel:

Faith of Abraham which was established through Christ Jesus as the blessing for all mankind.

By who?
Why Abraham?
Why Jesus?
The people that didn't know Abraham and Jesus weren't blessed?

FrancisTony: Lool. Funny OP. You still wanna remain in the faith of Abraham right?.

Wasn't it written in Torah(old testament) that a virgin will conceive without knowing a man?

One comment in Isaiah 7:14 which actually was fulfilled also in the Old Testament and according to scholars the word Virgin was actually dubiously translated and should mean young woman.


If I am wrong please help me understand better.

Thanks.

FrancisTony: Lool. Funny OP. You still wanna remain in the faith of Abraham right?.

Wasn't it written in Torah(old testament) that a virgin will conceive without knowing a man?

The Torah is not the Old Testament
It is at best the Pentateuch(Books of Moses) The first 5 books of the Bible

frosbel:

One comment in Isaiah 7:14 which actually was fulfilled also in the Old Testament and according to scholars the word Virgin was actually dubiously translated and should mean young woman.


If I am wrong please help me understand better.

Thanks.

But, Mary possessed the two quality.

She was a virgin and also a young woman. Either way! True or false?

^^^ ... Better leave Frosbel alone, i know what is at work....operation of seducing spirits....take heed.

twosquare: ^^^ ... Better leave Frosbel alone, i know what is at work....operation of seducing spirits....take heed.

Forget about me , how would you explain it if a baby believe or unbeliever were to ask the same question ?

frosbel: It has often been said that Mary conceived without a Man and gave birth to Jesus, but I am beginning to doubt certain parts of this story for the following reasons :

you're doubting God's word? To hell with you!

Does not Scripture say that the Messiah will come from David's descendants and from Bethlehem, the town where David lived?"

John 7:42

1. Jesus was to come from the seed of David which means from the lineage of his fleshly descendants , if God was his father, how could this have been fulfilled.

The Buy-bull says it is true! It must be true! /s
Sarcasm aside, This Jewish article corroborates your belief.

2. Paul makes not one mention of this supposed miraculous and major event even though it has been established that many of his letters precede most of the gospels, why ?

3. None of the apostles mentioned this in their letters or sermons , why ?

The apostles didn't mention EVERYTHING, and the Bible is incomplete. Who knows, the Catholic Church might have removed them if it contradicts their dogma. Also:

Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

John 21:25

4. The books of Luke and Matthew contain conflicting accounts of this event, why ?

Like all religious books supposedly "inspired by god" the Buy-bull contradicts itself in many places

5. Is it not an abomination to suggest that God made Mary pregnant ? I am really beginning to have a problem with this.

Catholic dogma: it was the Holy spirit. What I think happened : Mary cheated on Joseph, got knocked up, and claimed an "angel" visited.

6. I have read a lot of articles from Jewish sites and they see this as an abomination and almost laughable, should they not be the ones to know more about this ?

I tire too. The thing be say the Jews don't even believe in what most African Christians do. Hell, half of them are atheist!

7. No other gospel mentions this story even Mark which is the oldest gospel, why ?

Same thing the Jewish article said.

Help me please people !


Thanks and please let us keep this civil.

Still atheist, wanted to try the other side of the spectrum.

frosbel:

Forget about me , how would you explain it if a baby believe or unbeliever were to ask the same question ?

forget about you in the sense that you shouldn't be taken serious.........and about those nonsense scholars who haven't journeyed in the Spirit;i say forget about them...... God is too powerful,my ways are not your ways....nor my thoughts,your thoughts......the Scriptures says so and it is so, it takes faith to move with Him;not reason.
That apart,have u ever pondered: I am the root and offspring of David. This is cute; i gave birth to David,so that he can give birth to Me.

twosquare: forget about you in the sense that you shouldn't be taken serious.........and about those nonsense scholars who haven't journeyed in the Spirit;i say forget about them...... God is too powerful,my ways are not your ways....nor my thoughts,your thoughts......the Scriptures says so and it is so, it takes faith to move with Him;not reason.
That apart,have u ever pondered: I am the root and offspring of David. This is cute; i gave birth to David,so that he can give birth to Me.

Rants and rambling.
You didn't answer his question.

Frosbel, you are better off as a Deist.

JerryBerry: Frosbel, you are better off as a Deist.

He's still vacillating between Deism, agnosticism, and liberal Christianity.
He'll settle soon.

Apatheist:
He's still vacillating between Deism, agnosticism, and liberal Christianity.
He'll settle soon.

None of the above, I am a follower of the WAY, i.e I follow the same gospel that Yeshua and Paul preached, not the mythological religion called Christianity.

frosbel:

None of the above, I am a follower of the WAY, i.e I follow the same gospel that Yeshua and Paul preached, not the mythological religion called Christianity.

Yeshua (Joshua) was a Jew.
Paul was a Christian. You owe a lot of (backward) Christian dogma to him.

Apatheist:
Yeshua (Joshua) was a Jew.
Paul was a Christian. You owe a lot of (backward) Christian dogma to him.

Paul never called himself a Christian and strangely never once used this to refer to any of the early church believers.

Yes , Yeshua was a Jew.

frosbel:


Paul never called himself a Christian and strangely never once used this to refer to any of the early church believers.

Yes , Yeshua was a Jew.

i know you yearn to enter the ancient paths but you got to be careful, or you fall into much error...spirits will take advantage of you....relax, it is not by research...it is by the Seven Spirits of God.......you won't pass.....pray to Him.

frosbel:


Paul never called himself a Christian and strangely never once used this to refer to any of the early church believers.

Yes , Yeshua was a Jew.

Who are bible Christians? Let the Bible speak.

(Acts 11:26; 26:28; 1 Peter 4:16)

frosbel:


Paul never called himself a Christian and strangely never once used this to refer to any of the early church believers.

Yes , Yeshua was a Jew.

Christian means "follower of Christ"

And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch." --Acts 11:26

Paul was a Christian
" "Yet if [any man suffer] as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf."
-- 1 Peter 4:16

[quote]"Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.
"

1 Corinthians 11:1

Since you agree that Yeshua was a Jew, and Paul, a Christian, you realize you contradicted yourself here.

Frosbel:
None of the above, I am a follower of the WAY, i.e I follow the same gospel that Yeshua and Paul preached, not the mythological religion called Christianity.

Only one genuine response from an atheist

Brethren, please help me with this dilemma.

Thanks.

Apatheist:

Christian means "follower of Christ"

Let's leave this for another day and to avoid derailment. I am still waiting for answers related to the topic.

Thanks.

frosbel:

Let's leave this for another day and to avoid derailment. I am still waiting for answers related to the topic.

Thanks.

I answered you already.

Apatheist:




I answered you already.

Indeed , I meant answers from others !

Frosbel,

If you want answers to some questions bothering you about the fraud called Christianity, check out : www.jesusneverexisted.com

Some more scripture to ponder ;

"concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh" - Romans 1 :3

"But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law" - Galatians 4:4