Yahweh, the god of Israel who in Semitic spirituality is the spirit of mountains and hills(if you doubt, challenge me to this)

Ogun, the spirit of all metallic elements particularly Iron. In yorubaland, Ire-Ekiti, Saki Oyo and Idanre are his patron cities.

Here we would see how the Bible records a battle between these two spirits

Judges 1:19 - And the Lord was with Judah, and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley because they had chariots of Iron

There's two things in this verse
1. Yahweh's strength lays in the mountain
2. Judah with the grace of Yahweh couldn't defeat an army with the grace of iron(Ogun)

Ogunlakeye Osinmole!


He is the chief of all Imole. .

So his victory is certain.

OP, what is the similitude of ogun, how is he represented?

Surah Al-Hadid, Verse 1-5
ALL THAT IS in the heavens and on earth extols God’s limitless glory: for He alone is almighty, truly wise!

His is the dominion over the heavens and the earth; He grants life and deals death; and He has the power to will anything.

He is the First and the Last, and the Outward as well as the Inward: and He has full knowledge of everything.

He it is who has created the heavens and the earth in six aeons, and is established on the throne of His almightiness. He knows all that enters the earth, and all that comes out of it, as well as all that descends from the skies, and all that ascends to them. And He is with you wherever you may be; and God sees all that you do.

His is the dominion over the heavens and the earth; and all things go back unto God [as their source].
(English - Mohd Asad)

Rilwayne001:
Surah Al-Hadid, Verse 1-5
ALL THAT IS in the heavens and on earth extols God’s limitless glory: for He alone is almighty, truly wise!

His is the dominion over the heavens and the earth; He grants life and deals death; and He has the power to will anything.

He is the First and the Last, and the Outward as well as the Inward: and He has full knowledge of everything.

He it is who has created the heavens and the earth in six aeons, and is established on the throne of His almightiness. He knows all that enters the earth, and all that comes out of it, as well as all that descends from the skies, and all that ascends to them. And He is with you wherever you may be; and God sees all that you do.

His is the dominion over the heavens and the earth; and all things go back unto God [as their source].
(English - Mohd Asad)

I agree with you, this is what I would say about Obatala and Oduduwa. But wat has this got to do with Ogunlakaye Osinmole, the builder of your bones and blood cells??

Pls this thread addresses Yahweh and Ogun
What importance does Yahweh have that Ogun doesn't have and much more?
Is it in war?? Ogun himself is God of war, without ogun you cant fight a war
It is ogun that gives weapons and protection in war
Without ogun, you won't have living organisms, it's him who assisted Obatala in forming the humanity and other animals

So these gods are conscious, self-aware beings?

MrPresident1: OP, what is the similitude of ogun, how is he represented?

Anything Metallic examples..
Iron
Sodium
Calcium
Lithium, etc
Are all manifestations of Ogun

musKeeto: So these gods are conscious, self-aware beings?

Yes, they but don't misunderstand the meaning of "being"
Because "being" is simply One that has consciousness to the degree of forming a personality, essence or nature.

macof:

I agree with you, this is what I would say about Obatala and Oduduwa. [s] But wat has this got to do with Ogunlakaye Osinmole, the builder of your bones and blood cells? [/s]

Bring your prove sire ..

macof: Pls this thread addresses Yahweh and Ogun
What importance does Yahweh have that Ogun doesn't have and much more?
Is it in war?? Ogun himself is God of war, without ogun you cant fight a war
It is ogun that gives weapons and protection in war
Without ogun, you won't have living organisms, it's him who assisted Obatala in forming the humanity and other animals

Surah Al-Hadid, Verse 1-2
ALL THAT IS in the heavens and on earth extols God’s LIMITLESS GLORY: for He alone is almighty, truly wise!

His is the dominion over the heavens and the earth; He GRANT LIFE and deals death; and He HAS the POWER to will ANYTHING.

am i communicating

Rilwayne001:
Bring your prove sire ..



Surah Al-Hadid, Verse 1-2
ALL THAT IS in the heavens and on earth extols God’s LIMITLESS GLORY: for He alone is almighty, truly wise!

His is the dominion over the heavens and the earth; He GRANT LIFE and deals death; and He HAS the POWER to will ANYTHING.

am i communicating

Ogun is God
Pls you are derailing the thread with your out of point posts

I don't even know if you trying to drive a point for Yahweh or Allah with ur irrelevant quotes from the Surah

macof:

Ogun is God

-Your point here - ogun is god, but not a unique God since he is incapable of doing all things

macof: Pls you are derailing the thread with your out of point posts

My posts are not out of point it is still in line with the op,

macof: I don't even know if you trying to drive a point for Yahweh or Allah with ur irrelevant quotes from the Surah

My points so far on this thread with the surah i quoted is to show you that God is Single Entity and Perfectly Unique in every aspect and Complete and Capable to do all things irrespective of how the bible portrayed him.

As far as the Quran is concerned your ogun is nothing near God. Better still tell me if your ogun is perfectly unique and can do all things.

Rilwayne001:



My points so far on this thread with the surah i quoted is to show you that God is Single Entity and Perfectly Unique in every aspect and Complete and Capable to do all things irrespective of how the bible portrayed him.

Can Allah do all things? Why then is the world currently engulfed in every imaginable form of conflict and strife? Something must be preventing him from restoring sanity.

Weah96:
Can Allah do all things? Why then is the world currently engulfed in every imaginable form of conflict and strife? Something must be preventing him from restoring sanity.

Hatetheist

Rilwayne001:
My points so far on this thread with the surah i quoted is to show you that God is Single Entity and Perfectly Unique in every aspect and Complete and Capable to do all things irrespective of how the bible portrayed him.

As far as the Quran is concerned your ogun is nothing near God. Better still tell me if your ogun is perfectly unique and can do all things.

No such God exists. God is not a person/Super-human to perform such multiple functions.

A God is a Spiritual Force and can only act in one form unless made to change to another.

Rilwayne001:

Hatetheist

Coward. I repeat, can Allah do all things?

PAGAN9JA:

No such God exists. God is not a person/Super-human to perform such multiple functions.

That is the major difference between paganism and a monotheistic religion.

I dont know where you got the italized from o, but am very sure when we check the dictionary, such definition is applied to god that are spelled in small letter. they do not have to perform all things, even in the Quran Moses was made a god (smaller god) over Pharaoh.

So you must be talking about the smaller gods which appears in the myth of yorubaland.

Meanwhile, am talking about GOD (capitlized) here, again He is Single Entity and Perfectly Unique in every aspect and Complete and Capable to do all things (not the trinity type tho', cus if he is there is no way the underlined can be attributed to him)

PAGAN9JA: A God is a Spiritual Force and can only act in one form unless made to change to another.

I dont know where you got that definition from tho
but here are mine.
Surah Al-Ikhlas, Verse 1:
SAY: "He is the One God:
"God the Eternal, the Uncaused Cause of All Being.
"He begets not, neither is He begotten"
"and there is nothing comparable to him"

Merriam-Webster Online
1 capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: as a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe.

Better still tell me where you got it from..odu ifa? or where?

Silent is the best reply for an hatetheist

Rilwayne001:
-Your point here - ogun is god, but not a unique God since he is incapable of doing all things




My posts are not out of point it is still in line with the op,


My points so far on this thread with the surah i quoted is to show you that God is Single Entity and Perfectly Unique in every aspect and Complete and Capable to do all things irrespective of how the bible portrayed him.

As far as the Quran is concerned your ogun is nothing near God. Better still tell me if your ogun is perfectly unique and can do all things.

And this is epic failure.

Because such a god doesn't exist outside the Quran.

Even the real Allah is not such a god.

If u disagree prove such a God exist with facts and observations

macof:

And this is epic failure.

Because such a god doesn't exist outside the Quran.

He exist everywhere but people like you do not perceive him,
Read this thread and bear witness of His existence
www.nairaland.com/1853836/fingerprints-god

After that tell me if your ogun and co. exists outside the brain of yoruba paganist like you?

macof: Even the real Allah is not such a god.

If u disagree prove such a God exist with facts and observations

Read here: www.nairaland.com/1853836/fingerprints-god

After that then prove your "orisa mereerindinlogun to us with facts and observation.

Malvisguy212 should come and defend yahweh here

Rilwayne001:

He exist everywhere but people like you do not perceive him,
Read this thread and bear witness of His existence
www.nairaland.com/1853836/fingerprints-god

After that tell me if your ogun and co. exists outside the brain of yoruba paganist like you?



Read here: www.nairaland.com/1853836/fingerprints-god

After that then prove your "orisa mereerindinlogun to us with facts and observation.

That thread only talks of the consciousness of the universe.
It doesn't prove Allah.
Christians say it's Jehovah, Modern Jews says it's Yahweh, You say it's Allah but sorry no where in the known universe did ur Allah sign his name or leave his fingerprint.

Show me where Allah is, I dare u to prove Allah created the universe?
Where was he before he started his work? Wat made him start work? Boredom

You want me to prove Ogun exists??
First of wat do u know about ogun? Because it would b a waste of time giving u the actuality of Ogun Lakaye Osinmole when you don't even know wat Ogun is

pls I don't even want to derail my thread, I want a Yahweh vs Ogun discuss, as that's wat am ready for
Open ur thread for Allah vs Ogun if u can

macof:
That thread only talks of the consciousness of the universe.
It doesn't prove Allah.
Christians say it's Jehovah, Modern Jews says it's Yahweh, You say it's Allah but sorry no where in the known universe did ur Allah sign his name or leave his fingerprint.
Show me where Allah is, I dare u to prove Allah created the universe?
Where was he before he started his work? Wat made him start work? Boredom
You want me to prove Ogun exists??
First of wat do u know about ogun? Because it would b a waste of time giving u the actuality of Ogun Lakaye Osinmole when you don't even know wat Ogun is
pls I don't even want to derail my thread, I want a Yahweh vs Ogun discuss, as that's wat am ready for
Open ur thread for Allah vs Ogun if u can

Why are you blabbing now? i asked you to prove with facts and observation all the orisha mereerindilogun.

Who created them?

Anyway lets save that for another day, i dont want to derail your thread.

Should i help you call some xtians brothers?

Rilwayne001:

Why are you blabbing now? i asked you to prove with facts and observation all the orisha mereerindilogun.

Who created them?

Anyway lets save that for another day, i dont want to derail your thread.

Should i help you call some xtians brothers?

I asked u to take your Allah to another thread.
You can create a thread

Then I asked u to say wat u know about the nature of ogun. U can't expect to acknowledge the existence of what you have absolutely no knowledge of
Thing is you want to be ignorant, because ur fictional Allah begs that of u.

Rilwayne001: Malvisguy212 should come and defend yahweh here

you may defend your allah, MY GOD IS MIGHTY IN BATTLE. Even my christian brethren know that God defend is children.

macof:

Anything Metallic examples..
Iron
Sodium
Calcium
Lithium, etc
Are all manifestations of Ogun

Interesting manifestations. But the question is how is he represented?

malvisguy212: you may defend your allah, MY GOD IS MIGHTY IN BATTLE. Even my christian brethren know that God defend is children.

Tell that to macof

Yahweh is the cause of all good and evil,so all ur gods are all answerable to yahweh and to his son yeshua,in the early A.d in Rome ,when the name of yeshua,who is yahwehs only begotten sons name was pronounced all the pantheonss ,all the statues of various gods was destroyed, just at the mention of name of yeshua

lol

macof: Yahweh, the god of Israel who in Semitic spirituality is the spirit of mountains and hills(if you doubt, challenge me to this)

Ogun, the spirit of all metallic elements particularly Iron. In yorubaland, Ire-Ekiti, Saki Oyo and Idanre are his patron cities.

Here we would see how the Bible records a battle between these two spirits

Judges 1:19 - And the Lord was with Judah, and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley because they had chariots of Iron

There's two things in this verse
1. Yahweh's strength lays in the mountain
2. Judah with the grace of Yahweh couldn't defeat an army with the grace of iron(Ogun)

Unibenstudent: the early A.d in Rome ,when the name of yeshua,who is yahwehs only begotten sons name was pronounced all the pantheonss ,all the statues of various gods was destroyed, just at the mention of name of yeshua

Did you learn how to tell lies from Yeshua?

Did u learn how to ask people if they are liars from ogun?

Weah96:

Did you learn how to tell lies from Yeshua?

Unibenstudent: Did u learn how to ask people if they are liars from ogun?

Ogun might also be a specialist in deception. I know nothing about his attributes. But in the bible, lying is prohibited. Are you are follower of Ogun or Jesus?