https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQsFY7n1XQ4

Woman: The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a clash of religions or a clash of civilisations. It is a clash between two opposites, between two eras. It is a clash between a mentality that belongs to the middle ages and another mentality that belongs to the 21st century.

It is a clash between civilisations and backwardness, between the civilised and the primitive, between barbarity and rationality.

It is a clash between freedom and oppression, between democracy and dictatorship.

It is a clash between human rights on the one hand, and the violation of these rights on the other hand.

It is a clash between those who treat women like beasts, and those who treat them like human beings.

What we see today is not a clash of civilisations. Civilisations do not clash, but compete.

The presenter: I understand from your words that what is happening today is a clash between the culture of the West, and the backwardness and ignorance of Muslims?

The woman: Yes, that is what I mean.

Presenter: Who came up with the concept of a clash of civilisations? Was it Samuel Huntington? It was not Bin Laden. I would like you to discuss this issue, if you don't mind...

Woman: The Muslims are the ones who began using this expression. The Muslims are the ones who began the clash of civilisations. The prophet of Islam said: "I was ordered to fight the people until they believe in Allah and his messenger."

When the Muslims divided the people into Muslims and non-Muslims, and called to fight the others until they believe in what they themselves believe, they started this clash, and began this war.

In order to stop this war, they must reexamine their Islamic books and curricular, which are full of calls for takfir and fighting the infidels. My colleagues has said that he never offends other people's beliefs.

What civilisation on the face of this earth allows him to call other people by names they did not choose for themselves? Once he calls them Ahl Al-Dhimma, another time he calls them the "People of the Book," and yet another time he compares them to apes and pigs. Or he calls the Christians "those who incur Allah's wrath."

Who told you they are "People of the Book"? They are not people of the book, they are people of many books. All the useful scientific books that you have today are theirs, the fruit of their free and creative thinking. What gives you the right to call them "those who incur Allah's wrath," or "those who have gone astray," and then you come here and say that your religion commands you to refrain from offending the beliefs of others?

I am not a Christian, a Muslim or a Jew. I am a secular human being. I do not believe in the supernatural, but I respect others' right to believe in it.

Presenter cuts in: Are you a heretic?

Woman: You can say whatever you like. I am a secular human being who does not believe in the supernatural...

Presenter aggressively cuts in again talking over the woman: If you are a heretic, there is no point in rebuking you, since you have blasphemed against Islam, the prophet and the Qu'ran...

Woman: These are personal matters that do not concern you. Brother, you can believe in stones as long as you don't throw them at me. You are free to worship whoever you want, but other people's beliefs are not your concern, whether they believe that the Messiah is God, son of Mary, or that satan is God, son of Mary. Let people have their beliefs.

The Jews have come from the tragedy (of the holocaust), and forced the world to respect them, with their knowledge, not with their terror, with their work not their crying and yelling.

Humanity owes most of the discoveries and science of the 19th and 20th centuries to the Jewish scientists. 15 million people, scattered throughout the world, united and won their rights through hard work and knowledge.

We have not seen a single Jew destroy a church. We have not seen a single Jew protest by killing people. The Muslims have turned 3 Buddha statues into rubble. We have not seen a single Buddhist burn down a mosque, kill a Muslim, or burn down an embassy.

Only Muslims defend their beliefs by burning down churches, killing people and destroying embassies. This path will not yield any results. The Muslims must ask themselves what they can do for humankind, before they demand that humankind respect them.

She is speaking the truth about Islam without the "saccharine" of political correctness that is "300 times as sweet as table sugar, but has a bitter or metallic aftertaste." added.

OLAADEGBU:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQsFY7n1XQ4

Bros, can you type some key word she say? Thank you.

She doesn't say anything of note.

I actually don't know who or what she is referring to.

Nor do I care.

This lady is intelligent, thank God she is in the US, she would have been hanged for speaking out against Islam if she were to be in Egypt or saudi arabia.

malvisguy212:

Bros, can you type some key word she say? Thank you.

I think the name of the woman is Wafa Sultan whom I will be calling "woman" in this conversation with the presenter, who is a man on Memri TV:

Woman: The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a clash of religions or a clash of civilisations. It is a clash between two opposites, between two eras. It is a clash between a mentality that belongs to the middle ages and another mentality that belongs to the 21st century.

It is a clash between civilisations and backwardness, between the civilised and the primitive, between barbarity and rationality.

It is a clash between freedom and oppression, between democracy and dictatorship.

It is a clash between human rights on the one hand, and the violation of these rights on the other hand.

It is a clash between those who treat women like beasts, and those who treat them like human beings.

What we see today is not a clash of civilisations. Civilisations do not clash, but compete.

The presenter: I understand from your words that what is happening today is a clash between the culture of the West, and the backwardness and ignorance of Muslims?

The woman: Yes, that is what I mean.

Presenter: Who came up with the concept of a clash of civilisations? Was it Samuel Huntington? It was not Bin Laden. I would like you to discuss this issue, if you don't mind...

Woman: The Muslims are the ones who began using this expression. The Muslims are the ones who began the clash of civilisations. The prophet of Islam said: "I was ordered to fight the people until they believe in Allah and his messenger."

When the Muslims divided the people into Muslims and non-Muslims, and called to fight the others until they believe in what they themselves believe, they started this clash, and began this war.

In order to stop this war, they must reexamine their Islamic books and curricular, which are full of calls for takfir and fighting the infidels. My colleagues has said that he never offends other people's beliefs.

What civilisation on the face of this earth allows him to call other people by names they did not choose for themselves? Once he calls them Ahl Al-Dhimma, another time he calls them the "People of the Book," and yet another time he compares them to apes and pigs. Or he calls the Christians "those who incur Allah's wrath."

Who told you they are "People of the Book"? They are not people of the book, they are people of many books. All the useful scientific books that you have today are theirs, the fruit of their free and creative thinking. What gives you the right to call them "those who incur Allah's wrath," or "those who have gone astray," and then you come here and say that your religion commands you to refrain from offending the beliefs of others?

I am not a Christian, a Muslim or a Jew. I am a secular human being. I do not believe in the supernatural, but I respect others' right to believe in it.

Presenter cuts in: Are you a heretic?

Woman: You can say whatever you like. I am a secular human being who does not believe in the supernatural...

Presenter aggressively cuts in again talking over the woman: If you are a heretic, there is no point in rebuking you, since you have blasphemed against Islam, the prophet and the Qu'ran...

Woman: These are personal matters that do not concern you. Brother, you can believe in stones as long as you don't throw them at me. You are free to worship whoever you want, but other people's beliefs are not your concern, whether they believe that the Messiah is God, son of Mary, or that satan is God, son of Mary. Let people have their beliefs.

The Jews have come from the tragedy (of the holocaust), and forced the world to respect them, with their knowledge, not with their terror, with their work not their crying and yelling.

Humanity owes most of the discoveries and science of the 19th and 20th centuries to the Jewish scientists. 15 million people, scattered throughout the world, united and won their rights through hard work and knowledge.

We have not seen a single Jew destroy a church. We have not seen a single Jew protest by killing people. The Muslims have turned 3 Buddha statues into rubble. We have not seen a single Buddhist burn down a mosque, kill a Muslim, or burn down an embassy.

Only Muslims defend their beliefs by burning down churches, killing people and destroying embassies. This path will not yield any results. The Muslims must ask themselves what they can do for humankind, before they demand that humankind respect them.

OLAADEGBU:

I think the name of the woman is Wafa Sultan whom I will be calling "woman" in this conversation with the presenter, who is a man on Memri TV:

God bless you.this is the simple truth.

SNCOQ3:

She is speaking the truth about Islam without the "saccharine" of political correctness that is "300 times as sweet as table sugar, but has a bitter or metallic aftertaste." added.

Succintly said. That "saccharine" is responsible for those who call good bad and evil good.

mmsen: She doesn't say anything of note.

I actually don't know who or what she is referring to.

Nor do I care.

Really?

What about this Muslima? Does she make any sense to you?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7OYRknGgEc

OLAADEGBU:

Really?

What about this Muslima? Does she make any sense to you?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7OYRknGgEc

Her criticisms are different from the other lady - hers are directed towards Saudi Arabia, not Islam.

One point that I found interesting is that she claimed that women are equal in duty and punishment which may be true in Saudi but is definitely not true in Western nations. This very point alone contradicts the premise of the first video. Women in Western nations are placated like children.

In short, the two videos have nothing to do with each other.

mmsen:

Her criticisms are different from the other lady - hers are directed towards Saudi Arabia, not Islam.

And where is the epitome of Islam?

mmsen:

One point that I found interesting is that she claimed that women are equal in duty and punishment which may be true in Saudi but is definitely not true in Western nations. This very point alone contradicts the premise of the first video. Women in Western nations are placated like children.

She might have claimed that but that is not what is practised in Saudi Arabia. Women are seen as second class citizens.

mmsen:

In short, the two videos have nothing to do with each other.

The only difference I see is that the first video shows a secular woman's perspective on Islam while the second video that of a Muslima who are both showcasing the injustice in what is called Islam.

Wafa Sultan at it again! See how she lectures this Islamic scholar about Islam.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqP1LKF-tvw

Another liberated asian woman answers questions about Islam in the west.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s

Finally! For years all we hear is that Islam has been 'hijacked' and that most Muslims are peaceful people: And that matters to the 270 million people who have been killed in the name of Allah HOW?

They estimate that some 15 to 20 percent of all Muslims are 'radical.' Well here's a real news bulletin that actually has meaning:
Eighty Percent of All Muslims Are Not Muslims!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fSvyv0urTE

Hmm!

Macelliot:


Hmm!

Food for thought.