BananaBender:
You were trying to debunk my initial post my posing that God did not create/intend freewill. The bible verses you posted as an evidence for your claim does not prove that.
That's why your post made no sense.

BananaBender:

KAI! It is so hard to defend the Christian God, I tire.

OLAADEGBU:

Rather, where free will exists, responsibilities exist and as a result there are consequences.

Martian:

Who is the source of the devil?

Martian:

If god is good, holy and perfect, is it right to say evil created itself?

Martian:

Adam and Eve were not our first parents because of Gen 1:26-29, which says

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

What happened to the people?

MrPresident1:

Reincarnation is the perfect explanation of/for evil.

TheIndustrialist:


Stories that never seem to make any sense.
God wanted all what is in EXISTENCE existing today all to his GLORY.
If you should counter that, why would
GOD after creating everything he saw as good then planted a tree that would cause one to be wisely evil ?

Please read my previous comment again...
God allows evil because he
created it.
I wonder why God would do such
a thing...why create evil while
there was none ?
God himself created the end from
the beginning ALL FOR HIS
GLORY.
I really don't like that because
God has programmed
EXISTENCE already...many were
brought into existence for
destruction.
Sorry if your name isn't written in
the Lamb's book of life since/
from the foundation of the
world...because you are doomed
already. That is the way of our
Almighty Father.
Thanks

TheIndustrialist:

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, : I the LORD do all these things.

and create evil

You have to read my previous comments again.
Yahweh, made all these THINGS so to/for his own glory.
He programmed EXISTENCE. Everything you see is God's program.

mazaje:

What has the nonsense you wrote god to do with the passage that says god committed evil and apologized for it?. . .

Kay17:

So also Evil?

OLAADEGBU:

Evil has it's consequence, the absence of God.

OLAADEGBU:

This little boy in the videoclip answers your question and proves you wrong.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzIzct31fEA

OLAADEGBU:

Your theology is wrong.

Kay17:

Since God is the creator and capable of Evil, the above statement is therefore inconsistent.

TheIndustrialist:

Sorry,I can't watch that video.

And by the say,simply type what the boy has said. Lets see how he has proven me wrong.

OLAADEGBU:

Let me give it a go:

The setting was in a classroom between a boy who could not be more than 10 and a professor who was set on proving to the class that God created evil.

Professor: I'll prove to you. If God exists, then he is evil. Did God create everything that exists...?

Boy: (Raises up his hand in objection to the professor)

Boy: Excuse me, professor! (and then asks his question)

Boy: Does cold exist...?

Professor: What kind of question is this? Of course cold exists. Have you never been cold...?

Boy: In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat. Professor, does darkness exist...?

Professor: (Beginning to feel uneasy now responds by saying) Of course it exists.

Boy: You are wrong sir, Darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can study, but not darkness. Evil does not exist. It is just like darkness and cold. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. (and then the boy sits down).

TheIndustrialist:

That is about Albert Einstein.

1. The question is ,if cold doesn't exist ,where does it then come from in the absence if heat ?

2. If in the absence of one,another is present and in the presence of one the other is absent ,does that mean one of them doesn't exist ?

3. You believe the little boy and also believe the bible,why ? Isn't that hypocrisy ?
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and DARKNESS was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
1:3 And God said, LET THERE BE LIGHT: and there was light.

See ? There was darkness before light. There existed darkness before light. It is just that one can't comprehend the other.

4. Ge 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Was it the devil that planted the tree of knowledge of Good and EVIL in that garden ? And wait...it is of knowledge … and that means without eating that fruit you will know nothing as good or EVIL which makes it clear that evil exists and God made it.

>>>>>> GOD did this things for his glory.

OLAADEGBU:

That is the fallacy of equivocation. God is perfect. He is the source of everything that is good, holy and just. It is true that God created Lucifer. It is not true that God created evil. Lucifer chose to turn away from God and became evil. Evil came into Lucifer's heart when he chose evil over good and stopped glorifying his Creator which is what you atheists are doing today.

OLAADEGBU:

That is the fallacy of equivocation. God is perfect. He is the source of everything that is good, holy and just. It is true that God created Lucifer. It is not true that God created evil. Lucifer chose to turn away from God and became evil. Evil came into Lucifer's heart when he chose evil over good and stopped glorifying his Creator which is what you atheists are doing today.

OLAADEGBU:

Can you study darkness? There was nothing special in the tree of knowledge of good and evil, it just meant disobeying God will lead to absence of God's love and goodness in our lives.

TheIndustrialist:

GOD studied it. I can study it.

1. When there is darkness,there is no light.
2. In darkness...I mean darkness,you won't see anything.
3. In darkness light is absent.
4. In darkness there's silence.
5. If there was/is nothing like darkness ,there would have been nothing like LIGHT and LIGHT won't shine.
6. Light is a wave, but darkness is the universe itself.

>>>>>>
Do you need more studies ? By the way ,answer my questions.
Ehmmm...now there is nothing special about the tree of knowledge of good and evil right ? You just wanna run...keep running.

OLAADEGBU:

There goes your answer. In the absence of light there is darkness. QED.

TheIndustrialist:

Is that the only thing you saw ? OMG
My questions are left un-answered.

By the way,who is an atheist here ? Are you the one ?
Do justice to my questions please. Thanks

OLAADEGBU:
The right question should be, who is the source of evil.

OLAADEGBU:
What people?

OLAADEGBU:
Can you study darkness? There was nothing special in the tree of knowledge of good and evil, it just meant disobeying God will lead to the absence of God's love and goodness in our lives.

OLAADEGBU:

How?

MrPresident1: Reincarnation is the perfect explanation of/for evil. God is just and will do no wrong, HE recompenses justly.

Job 8:8-9
8 For enquire, I pray thee, of the former age, and prepare thyself to the search of their fathers:
9 (For we are but of yesterday, and know nothing, because our days upon earth are a shadow:

Martian:

Get off the merry-go-round. You already said that the source of evil is the devil. So who is the source of the devil? Who created the devil?

Martian:

The people refered to in these verses who were created on day 6. Male & Female.

"26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
"

According to chapter 2, your god didn't create eve until the following week after he rested on the 7th day,but Chapter 1 shows that he created the female on the 6th day.