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Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by Justcash(m): 1:41pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
THE emerging scenario in the fight against terror and the steps Nigeria’s government has taken would have resulted in global sensation during the cold war. The United States would fight to keep their allies. Source: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/09/boko-haram-fg-turns-russia-china-usa-uk-fail-nigeria/#sthash.g4pkgKBL.dpuf 14 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by Melahou(m): 1:45pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
Am just watching 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by Ymodulus: 1:46pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
The west is too funny. The truth is thier reluctance to assist nigeria has nothing to do with human rights violations or lack of reliability and professionalism. If so then why is america still arming syrian rebels? I remember a couple months ago There were videos of syrian rebels cutting out the hearts of their enemies and eating it on youtube. The hypocrisy of the west is truly in full display. I wonder why america is still sending billions of dollars of aid to egypt even with her gross human rights abuses. The truth of the matter is america just wants a puppet and Nigerias government is not submitting to them. The west never helps you without attaching strings. After all if we look at countries like uganda and rwanda, countries that are willing puppets of america.(especially rwanda) America still sells weapons to them even with their gross human rights violations. Word for the wise [size=15pt]Do not attach morality or civility to the Wests dealings with Nigeria and the rest of africa. Do so at your own peril.[/size] 135 Likes 11 Shares |
Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by Ymodulus: 1:48pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
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Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by Ymodulus: 1:49pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
Though my first post is PRO- nigerian government actions, i still have a doubt in mind and i will drop this Damn lies I don't believe that the Western arms manufacturers are refusing to sell arms to Nigeria. This is all lies. Western arms manufacturer would even sell arms to enemies of their own country unless their government specifically imposes bans on their arms export. So far, no single Western country has a ban in place against selling arms to Nigeria. Why are some Nigerians so stupid to accept these lies? What lies next? That the $9.3 million cash seized in South Africa was meant for buy arms in the black market because Western arms manufacturers are refusing to sell arms to Nigeria? 31 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by BlackTechnology: 1:53pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
Nigerians must start developing advanced weapons in large quantities 16 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by EldaTimba(m): 1:53pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
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Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by Nobody: 1:54pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
Just take a look at the list of countries we are supposed to compete with in terms of human rights; Egypt, Syria, Rwanda, Uganda, all autocratic regimes. Why can't Nigeria aspire to be like other democratic and stable countries that respect human beings and treat them with dignity? 3 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by davitogreat(m): 1:55pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
Ymodulus: Though my first post is PRO- nigerian government actions, i still have a doubt in mind and i will drop this you do know american and british arms manufacturers are closely tied to their governments right? plus on top of that, there is no ban but that does not mean they have to accept any requests from the Nigerian government. As you can see the Nigerian defence spokesperson said the western countries were dragging their feet and were using human rights and unreliability as excuses to not sell to the Nigerian government. 13 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by davitogreat(m): 2:02pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
Aigbofa: Just take a look at the list of countries we are supposed to compete with in terms of human rights; Egypt, Syria, Rwanda, Uganda, all autocratic regimes. You do know in terms of human rights Nigeria is actually better thatn places like uganda, egypt and rwanda? The fact that we have an opposition that can openly insult the sitting president without repercussions automatically places Nigeria higher than the vast majority of african countries. On top of that unlike these other countries the media in Nigeria is not oppressed. They are free to speak their mind on various issues. Nigerias human rights issues are more or less tied to the governments handling of the boko haram crisis. the truth of the matter is if even isreal could not conduct military operations without civilian casualties why are we expecting a developing country such as Nigeria to be flawless. I mean the north is a very complex place. They say places like sambisa forest have communities where many civilians are still residing in even with bokoharams presence. There are also reports of bokoharam trying to use civilans as human shields. Nigerians really dont know how good they have it when compared to many neighboring african countries in terms of rights... 35 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by Ymodulus: 2:03pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
davitogreat: Bro Arms manufacturers will be willing to sell arms to countries even against their government will so as to make money. we have seen this in history. There are few restrictions on whom the government may export arms to. One notable exception is the Leahy Law, which prohibits U.S. military aid or training to foreign military units known to have committed human rights abuses. Under the Pentagon's interpretation of the law, however, these restrictions may be lifted if the foreign government filters out the "few bad apples" in that particular unit. An International Code of Conduct on Arms Sales is also being negotiated with other arms exporters in the hopes of creating a common set of export criteria. Read on for more facts. 6 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by Ymodulus: 2:08pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
davitogreat: You do know in terms of human rights Nigeria is actually better thatn places like uganda, egypt and rwanda? I agree with you on this. countries like uganda and rwanda, countries that are willing puppets of america.(especially rwanda) America still sells weapons to them even with their gross human rights violations. You have no idea about the evil musevini is doing in Uganda. from recruting child soldiers to assassination of opposition members and silencing the media. or what kagame is doing in rwanda with assassination of opposition and oppressing the hutu population. rwanda is also assisting rebels in destabilizing the congo. Those 2 are practically demons walking in human skin. But again america chooses to turn a blind eye to their atrocities. the truth of the matter is if even isreal could not conduct military operations without civilian casualties why are we expecting a developing country such as Nigeria to be flawless.[size=15pt]Yes. i have said it in time past on this section that we need to kill about $160 MILLION NIGERIANS FOR THIS COUNTRY TO GET BETTER. Also to achieve good, good people have to suffer. its a natural law[/size] |
Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by Ymodulus: 2:13pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
davitogreat:In addition the top defence contractors in the U.S have power. please read about their previous deals when you have time too. [b]The Defense Industry Top defense contractors (including sales to both U.S. government and foreign buyers):[13] FY2001: 1. Lockheed Martin Corp.: $17 billion 2. Boeing Co.: $16.6 billion 3. Northrop Grumman Co.: $8.7 billion 4. Raytheon: $7.0 billion 5. General Dynamics Co.: $7.0 billion 6. United Technologies Co.: $3.6 billion 7. Science Applications International: $2.1 billion 8. TRW Inc.: $2.0 billion 9. Health Net, Inc.: $1.7 billion 10. L-3 Communications Holding, Inc.: $1.7 billion One reason the defense industry has such influence in the United state government is because of federal campaign contributions. Past industry contributions as reported by the Federal Election Commission and presented by the Center for Responsive Politics:[14] 2002 Election Cycle (to date): $7.2 million 2000 Election Cycle: $13.6 million 1998 Election Cycle: $10.6 million Top Lobbyists for 2000 Election Cycle: Lockheed Martin ($2.38 million) General Dynamics ($1.2 million) [/b] 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by Nobody: 2:13pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
davitogreat: Nigerians don't know how good they have it? This is an insult to all innocent Nigerians who lost their lives in the hands of Nigerian security officials, from the police to the Army. I have a first hand knowledge of the impunity and the brutality of the criminals we call the police. What army in the whole wide world would slaughter their captives like rams? That is criminal. 2 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by olayincar(m): 2:14pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
Why can't Nigeria turn to God? 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by Nobody: 2:15pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
Ymodulus: Good luck with killing all Nigerians to make Nigeria better. That should be the most peaceful country ever. This is precisely why they are not selling anything to us. I understand Nigeria is fighting terror but must we in the process become terrorists? 6 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by davitogreat(m): 2:15pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
Ymodulus: Your taking things it at face value. American arms manufacturers will never sell to just anybody. You guys really underestimate the american governments involvement in HER Military Industrial Complex. America will never sell Nigeria apaches or Ah-IZ vipers they will never sell Nigeria drones they will never sell nigeria f22 raptors, they will never sell f15s, f16s e.t.c 7 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by davitogreat(m): 2:26pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
Aigbofa: I never called our security forces perfect. I made a comparison between our human rights issues and neighboring african countries that still get support from the U.S. I will say it again. NIGERIANS DONT KNOW HOW GOOD THEY HAVE IT. Here is some info on Rwanda http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/darling-of-the-west-terror-to-his-opponents-meet-rwandas-new-scourge–paul-kagame-9037914.html Darling of the West, terror to his opponents: Meet Rwanda’s new scourge – Paul Kagame Here is on uganda http://newint.org/features/web-exclusive/2011/06/03/uganda-child-soldier-story/ I was a child soldier for Uganda’s President Again at least in Nigeria you can insult Jonathan. You can call him a drunkard and fisherman and nothing will happen to you. In Nigeria the opposition of the present administration is thriving. Our media is free to spread their opinions on various issues without any fear. (does sahara reporters ring a bell) Not the same case in many other African countries. Plus lets not 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by Nobody: 2:29pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
@David Speaking your mind is a God given right. It is not a favor from Jonathan or anyone. Anyone who denies you that right is your enemy. 7 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by Ymodulus: 2:31pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
davitogreat: Do you know that United state private own Defense Firms Seek Alternatives as U.S. Cuts Military Spending since 2003. Please check the Wall street Journal as this was one of the major topic when it happened. Even Michael Bloomberg had to respond to Amanpour on a CNN interview that the firms have to sought for foreign partners. So bro I do not agree with you. Beside you had nice point I must confess 2 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by davitogreat(m): 2:47pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
Aigbofa: @David well tell that to china, rwanda, uganda, angola, saudi arabioa, belarus then. speaking your mind is a God given right but it dosent mean that leaders in power have to abide by it. Especially when looking at developing countries. The amount of media censoring that goes on in the VAST majority of developing countries is alarming. A lot of the leaders of those countries believe that by censoring the media they can have stability in their nations. (sadly this is true. Suppressing media does provide a measure of stability in developing nations) If we look at Nigeria today one of the major reasons this country is so polarizing and divided is the fact that our media is free to churn out anything they see fit without fear. Again its thier right but you can see how much damage it causes. The fact Jonathan is not acting like many leaders in other countries who use the bruising of thier egos or the so called "unity of the nation" in this current political climate as a means to silence his opponents is commendable. let me ask you a question.. What do you think would happen to the stability of china if the government stooped suppressing their media content? I can assure you things wont be anywhere as stable as it is today. what do you think would happen in rwanda if the hutus had the free reign to come together and speak out publicly about the discrimination and oppression kagame is pouring out towards them? Do you think rwanda would be as peaceful as it is today? Do you think they would be still making great economic strides as they are doing presently? the world is a very complex place. 10 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by Ymodulus: 2:51pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
davitogreat: The world isn't complex. We humans are. I don't agree with you on control of information, beside Nigeria media are not yet free as you might think. 3 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by Nobody: 2:59pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
davitogreat: You obviously assume that Nigerians are not smart enough to sift through the cacophony of lies and half truths to know what is true and what is false. I guess you will trust Jonathan and his ministers to determine that for them as it is done in some other places. Nigerians are not Chinese and if their system works for them maybe it is because corruption is severely punished in their country. Can you load a private jet with millions of dollars in China and fly it to another country? Nigerians are not foolish, let anyone publish what they like we can discern the truth and if you are slandered the courts are there. 7 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by arresa: 3:00pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
Stop blaming other people for your own problems and your president's incompetent and corrupt ways... 1. GEJ himself admitted that he has BH moles in his government so why should the US give weapons to the same BH moles? 2. GEJ himself is by association with and protection of known BH supporters and financiers is in effect a BH collaborator and supporter so why should they collaborate with him. It's like joining forces with armed robbers to catch other armed robbers.. 3. The US not only asserted to your government that BH gets it's weapons from the Nigerian Army, but we also know that the military by design not only refused to defend their military bases and weapons, they also refused to equip their military men to adequately fight off BH before BH manifested into the lethal enemy we have today so why should the US give you weapons that you can not use and protect and even at the end of the day ends up in BH's armory? 4. Your president refused to fight corruption and incompetence within the Nigerian military and instead hand over National awards to the same corrupt and incompetent military chiefs responsible for the mess we are going through? This doesn't put us in a good light or inspire confidence in any way. Bottom line, look in the mirror first before blaming other people for your woes... 20 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by davitogreat(m): 3:03pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
Ymodulus: yes defense contractors in america have free reign to source for buyers around the world, but at the end of the day they still have their limitations. For example you are never going to see high level collaboration between american defence firms and china. Or american defense firms and burma. You have to understand that there are levels to this and the levels that Nigeria requires to end boko haram are out of reach of the Nigerian government. Thats why i said america will never sell us weapons that are needed to end boko haram like apaches, f-16s e.t.c luckily the russians on the other hand dont have any levels. The new attack helicopters Nigeria is getting from them are mi-171sh and mi-35s. These will help to put an end to the insurgency. You forget that in america there are also powerful lobby groups that oppose americas industrial complex. 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by LMAyedun(m): 3:03pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
olayincar: Why can't Nigeria turn to God?Remember, God helps those who help themselves. |
Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by datguru: 3:04pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
End time things. SMH 1 Like
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Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by davitogreat(m): 3:04pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
Ymodulus: please explain. |
Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by MZdamola(f): 3:05pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
They should turn to God instead.. |
Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by atlwireles: 3:05pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
Slowly, the retardds in this country are getting a behind the scene picture. 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Turns To Russia And China For Military Hardware Against Terror by Nobody: 3:07pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
davitogreat: The question is why are the Americans reluctant to sell arms to us? It is simplistic to just say because we are black. Given the fact that the U.S is a friendly nation to Nigeria. 2 Likes |
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