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| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by Abdulsalam20(m): 10:05pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
proo212:you are not even sure of what you posted pls follow this link because i cant quote everything here it will be too lenghty......... www.nooralquran.net/english/pages/news.php?nid=111 the hadith you quoted is extranous........but you dont want to agree about the hadith i quoted even with accurate and visible explanation one of you said it is about dajal i guess the person dont now anything about dajaal again pls read this concerning your claim www.nooralquran.net/english/pages/news.php?nid=111 |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by tola9ja: 10:30pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
malvisguy212: , God bless you.malvisguy212 have been trying to send you this privately so that you can explain to me but am unable to, How Old Is Saul When He Became King  which bible translation should we follow malvisguy212 help with ur holy spiritNew International Version Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years. New Living Translation Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned for forty-two years. English Standard Version Saul lived for one year and then became king, and when he had reigned for two years over Israel, New American Standard Bible Saul was thirty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned forty two years over Israel. King James Bible Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel, Holman Christian Standard Bible Saul was 30 years old when he became king, and he reigned 42 years over Israel. International Standard Version Saul was 30 years old when he began to reign, and he ruled for 42 years over Israel. NET Bible Saul was [thirty] years old when he began to reign; he ruled over Israel for [forty] years. GOD'S WORD® Translation Saul was [thirty] years old when he became king, and he was king of Israel [forty-two] years. Jubilee Bible 2000 Saul was as a son of one year when he began to reign, and when he had reigned two years over Israel, King James 2000 Bible Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel, American King James Version Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel, American Standard Version Saul was forty years old when he began to reign; and when he had reigned two years over Israel, Douay-Rheims Bible Saul was a child of one year when he began to reign, and he reigned two years over Israel. Darby Bible Translation Saul was ... years old when he became king; and he reigned two years over Israel. English Revised Version Saul was thirty years old when he began to reign; and he reigned two years over Israel. Webster's Bible Translation Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel, World English Bible Saul was [forty] years old when he began to reign; and when he had reigned two years over Israel, Young's Literal Translation A son of a year is Saul in his reigning, yea, two years he hath reigned over Israel, |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by Abdulsalam20(m): 10:35pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
gidjah: [s]Sura 9:5 -i tried to ignore this but i feel you might feel what you post is right THERE IS ONE THING IN ISLAM EVERYTHING IS BACKED UP BY HISTORY LET ME EXPLAIN IT TO U: This verse is quoted during a battle. ...We know that America was once at war with Vietnam. Suppose the President of America or the General of the American Army told the American soldiers during the war: "Wherever you find the Vietnamese, kill them". Today if I say that the American President said, "Wherever you find Vietnamese, kill them" without giving the context, I will make him sound like a butcher. But if I quote him in context, that he said it during a war, it will sound very logical, as he was trying to boost the morale of the American soldiers during the war. ...Similarly in Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 the Qur'an says, "Kill the Mushriqs (pagans) where ever you find them", during a battle to boost the morale of the Muslim soldiers. What the Qur'an is telling Muslim soldiers is, don't be afraid during battle; wherever you find the enemies kill them. Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer to the allegation that Islam promotes violence, brutality and bloodshed. It SAYS "If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge." [Al-Qur'an 9:6] The Qur'an not only says that a Mushriq seeking asylum during the battle should be granted refuge, but also that he should be escorted to a secure place. In the present international scenario, even a kind, peace-loving army General, during a battle, may let the enemy soldiers go free, if they want peace. But which army General will ever tell his soldiers, that if the enemy soldiers want peace during a battle, don't just let them go free, but also escort them to a place of security? This is exactly what Allah (swt) says in the Glorious Qur'an to promote peace in the world. " and also if you read the bible very well there are many terror in it pls follow this link www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/terrorinthebible.htm you will be amazed after reading it ....sorry i forgot to add this you said the hausa....bla bla bla they might be a muslim but if they follow true islamicc teaching they wont do dat |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by Josh1000: 12:18am On Sep 30, 2014 |
orimahspence: but they kill in the name of Islam and can prove it from the Quran |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by HolyHolla(m): 1:24am On Sep 30, 2014 |
proo212: That's a good addition to the developments currently unfolding before our eyes. That hadith is near to the truth, I must say, but it may not happen exactly as the hadith says. The Bible makes it more explicit in the prophecies concerning the coming Antichrist and False Prophet. If we delve fully into that now, we will derail the topic. But surely, the Islamists are gathering an army that would terrorize the world with endless wars under the Antichrist. That, I believe, is the purpose for which God has allowed these Takfiri insurgencies that would be incorporated into a reckless army of invasions to enforce the policies under the New World Order of the Antichrist. This same conglomerate army of volunteers and national interests, with coalition of Magog (Russia), and Meshec and Tubal (China) and other nations would invade and occupy the whole of Palestine, including Jerusalem, and later fulfill the prophecies concerning the Armageddon war when they confront Christ in the final war. |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by gidjah(m): 2:45am On Sep 30, 2014 |
[quote author=Abdulsalam20] i tried to ignore this but i feel you might feel what you post is right THERE IS ONE THING IN ISLAM EVERYTHING IS BACKED UP BY HISTORY LET ME EXPLAIN IT TO U: This verse is quoted during a battle. Suppose the President of America or the General of the American Army told the American soldiers during the war: "Wherever you find the Vietnamese, kill them". Today if I say that the American President said, "Wherever you find Vietnamese, kill them" without giving the context, I will make him sound like a butcher. But if I quote him in context, that he said it during a ...Similarly in Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 the Qur'an says, "Kill the Mushriqs (pagans) where ever you find them", during a battle to boost the morale of the Muslim soldiers.while u may partialy b correct,need u know dat ds sentiment is a national matter in d islamic world today.who r those u refer to as 'pagans' of today? that should b d christians abi?even d southern people(that we tot r fair)r now evil too! |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by Abdulsalam20(m): 7:35am On Sep 30, 2014 |
HolyHolla:I THINK WE SHOULD DISCUSS WHO ARE THE TRUE NTICHRIST AND WHO ARE THE FALSE PROPHETS PLS START WITH WHAT U UNDERSTAND BY ANTICHRIST AND WHY MUSLIM ARE ANTICHRIST (ONLY QUOTE FROM BIBLE AND QURAN)....AND ALSO WHY MUHAMMAD IS A FALSE PROPHET |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by HolyHolla(m): 8:19am On Sep 30, 2014 |
[quote author=gidjah][/quote] To anyone who does not know better, you have quite a plausible defense there, except that it is a myth created to cover up for Mohammadean wars. Consider these: 1. In the account of the Battle of Badr, Muhammad sent his men out to raid caravans, then deliberately provoked a battle with the Meccan army sent out to defend them. 2. Three Jewish tribes of Medina were cleansed because they had rejected Muhammad’s claims of prophethood (and because the Muslims wanted their possessions). 3. Of the battle with Banu Mustaliq, an Arab tribe Bukhari wrote: "The Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives" (Bukhari 46:717). This was without any effort at making peace with Bani Mustaliq. In this case, Muhammad's men raped the women (with his approval) after slaughtering the men (Sahih Muslim 3371). 4. In Mohammad's attack on the Lihyan, the people were clearly not prepared for war and saved themselves only by fleeing into the hills (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 718). 5. Muhammad attacked the people of Taif as soon as he had the opportunity to avenge their rejection of him (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 280 & 872). 6. In Muhammad's first attack on the Christians, there was no compelling reason for him to send an army to Muta (in Syria, where they met with disaster at the hands of the Byzantines). Had this been a matter of self-defense, then the enemy would surely have followed the routed army back to Arabia, but this was not the case (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 791). 7. Near the end of his life, the prophet of Islam directed military campaigns for the mere purpose of spreading Islamic rule. He knew that some cities would resist and others would not. He left instructionsto his people for dealing with each case: Quoting Sahih, "The Messenger of Allah said: If you come to a township (which has surrenderedwithout a formal war) and stay therein, you have a share (that will be in the form of an award) in (the properties obtained from) it. If a township disobeys Allah and His Messenger (and actually fights against the Muslims) one-fifth of the booty seized therefrom is for Allah and His Apostle and the rest is for you. (Sahih Muslim 4346 ). This was apparently wr for booty only. 8. To extend Islamic domination, Mohammad raided Tabuk, which was a second incursion into the Christian territoryof Syria, and forced the local populace to pay him tribute after ambushing and killing local civilians to assert his authority (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 903). 9. In the “convert or die” mandate given to an Arab tribe, the Banu al-Harith: "... the apostle sent Khalid bin Walid… to the Banu al-Harith and ordered him to invite them to Islam three days before he attacked them. If they accepted then he was to accept it from them, and if they declined he was to fight them. So Khalid set out and came to them, and sent out riders in all directions inviting the people to Islam, saying, “If you accept Islam you will be safe.” So the men accepted Islam as they were invited. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 959). Obviously self-defense was not a factor in any of these cases. 10. In fact, the first part of the 9th Sura, the most bellicose chapter of the Qur’an, was revealed shortly after the Muslims had established military dominance in Mecca. Consider one of the more violent verses: "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them (9:5) The words, “when the forbidden months are past,” precludes the possibility that this was a matter of self-defense. Secondly, what was the offence of the people other than that they did not accept Islam? The Muslims had already been given the divine right to fight during the sacred months, and it is simply implausible that they would have suffered attacks over a four month period without defending themselves. That they were not under attack is consistent with the historical context, in which the Haj period was a traditional time of peace and tolerance throughout Arabia. Although not under attack from the pagans, Muhammad ordered his men to chase and kill the unbelievers following the Haj. The pagans who agreed to become Muslim (ie. practice the pillars of Islam, zakatandsalat) would be allowed to live following their conversion. Verse 9:29 offersa separate rule forJews and Christians, allowing them to keep their religion as long as they pay protection money to Muslims and acknowledge the inferiority of their faith. Should they resist, then they should be killed. 11. One of the best documented examples of Muslim aggression during the lifetime of Muhammad is the attack on the peaceful community of Khaybar. This followed the treaty of Hudaibiya between the Muslims and Meccans, which called for a period of peace between the two groups. The treaty was controversial with Muslims, not only because it contradicted Allah’s prior mandate to “drive out” the Meccans with violent force (2:191), but also because Muhammad agreed not to be recognized as a prophet in the document (Muslim 4401). Muhammad decided that it was prudent to attack the Jews at Khaybar only in order to regain the respect of his people and placate their grumbling with military victory and (especially) the stolen wealth that followed. The sleepy farming community, located about 100 miles outside of Medina, posed no sort of necessary threat. There are at least three historical references that contradict any notion of self-defense on the part of Muhammad. The first is a description of the initial attack by Ibn Ishaq/Hisham, who wrote: "We met the workers of Khaybar coming out in the morning with their spades and baskets. When they saw the apostle and the army they cried, “Muhammad with his force,” and turned tail and fled… The apostle seized the property piece by piece…" (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 757) The people of Khaybar were not attacking Muhammad. They were farming their land with shovels and buckets, not even knowing that they were supposed to be at war. This is further confirmed in the same text: "When the apostle raided a people he waited until the morning. If he heard a call to prayer he held back; if he did not hear it he attacked. We came to Khaybar by night, and the apostle passed the night there; and when morning came he did not hear the call to prayer, so he rode and we rode with him." (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 757) Muhammad attacked only after waiting to see if the people of Khaybar issued a morning call to prayer. This would have no possible relevance had they already been at war with him. Perhaps the best proof that Muhammad was not acting in self-defense is the fact that his own people did not understand why they were marching to war. His son-in-law, who was in charge of the military expedition, had to ask for justification: "Allah's Messenger called Ali [and said]: “Proceed on and do not look about until Allah grants you victory,” and Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: “Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people?” Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: ”Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger …”"(Sahih Muslim 5917) The question Ali posed would have been unnecessary had the Muslims been under attack by the Khaybar or if the answer to the question were obvious. As it is, Muhammad’s reply underscores the ostensible purpose of the campaign, which was to force the Jews into acknowledging the superiority of Islam. Muhammad’s men easily captured Khaybar and divided up the loot. The prophet of Islam tortured the community’s treasurer to extract information, then had him killed (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 764). Muhammad then took the man’s widow, Saffiya, as his wife after trading two other captured women to one of his lieutenants (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 758). The surviving Jews were allowed to stay on their land provided that they gave their Muslim masters an ample share of their crops. Therefore, the rule of aggression in Islam, from the example set by Muhammad, is that it is proportional to the power held by Muslims, and not the persecution that they are under. The rare verses of peace in the quran were "revealed" in Mecca, when true oppression existed. The verses of violence that are revealed later correspond to Muslim military might even as any persecution of Muslims had largely dried up. It is very unfortunate however, tht people try to connect Mohammedean jihads to defense purposes only, when the exegetic and historical contexts clearly state otherwise. 1 Like |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by HolyHolla(m): 8:32am On Sep 30, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20: From your own perspective, "Who is an antichrist?" I hope that you know there is a differentiation between an antichrist and the Antichrist, who is a personality expected at the end of days. |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by HolyHolla(m): 8:34am On Sep 30, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20: To void derailing the thread, we could start this in another discussion post entirely. But take this caution; when it comes to apocalypses, that thread has to specify which one we should extol; Judeo-Christian or Muslim apocalyptic writings, because we can never get anywhere with arguing from different perspectices. In the alternative, we could just agree to share different views on the topic without trying to convince each other. But just to throw in a clue, the book of John tells us specifically who an antichrist is. [I Jn. 2: 22 ] "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son." You have to establish here, what 'Christ' means, whether a prophet of quran or One that is in union with the Father and the Spirit. According to Oxford Advaced Learners dictionary, Christ is defined as: (In Judaism) The anointed one or messiah predicted in Jewish prophecy. (In Christianity) A title given to Jesus of Nazareth, seen as the fulfiller of the messianic prophecy; often treated as a personal name. |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by Abdulsalam20(m): 9:38am On Sep 30, 2014 |
gidjah: during a battle to boost the morale of the MuslimPAGANS ARE THE IDOL WORSHIPERS CHRISTIANS ARE REFERRED TOAS NOSARA IN ISLAM OR THE PEOPLE OF THE SCRIPTURE PLS ALWAYS ASK BEFORE CONCLUDING The Prophet’s first mission (as in the case of Abraham and Moses) was to call these people away from their petty man-made gods to the One and Only God of the Universe. The Prophet’s own tribe was pagan—and they were the first ones he addressed. With Allah Almighty’s help, the Prophet preached tawheed (pure monotheism) to these people and eventually brought them to Islam— submission to the One True God. |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by Abdulsalam20(m): 9:42am On Sep 30, 2014 |
HolyHolla:STARY THE THREAD I WILL JOIN YOU PLS |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by Abdulsalam20(m): 9:42am On Sep 30, 2014 |
HolyHolla:STARY THE THREAD I WILL JOIN YOU PLS POST IT IN ISLAM SECTION |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by PastorKun(m): 9:56am On Sep 30, 2014 |
HolyHolla: Thanx for this exposition, we now know where ISIS and boko haram are getting their inspiration from. One thing is certain no one sent from God would wreck so much havoc on humanity. 1 Like |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by Abdulsalam20(m): 10:10am On Sep 30, 2014 |
i will give you the detailed history of battle of badr i dont care if you read it i just have to educate you on it The Great Expedition of Badr took place in Ramadan, 2 A.H. Allah called this battle 'The Day of Distinguishing.' Allah says, 'if you believe in Allah and what We sent down on Our servant on the Day of Distinguishing, the day the two hosts met.' (8: 41) The Messenger of Allah had heard that Abu Sufyan ibn Harb, who was extremely hostile to Islam, was coming from Syria with a large trading caravan belonging to the Quraysh. They were carrying a vast quantity of wealth and merchandise. War had been declared between the Muslims and the idol-worshippers and the Quraysh had been spending their wealth on fighting Islam. Their cavalry would occasionally reach the borders of Madinah and the grazing areas used by the Muslims' animals. When the Messenger of Allah heard about this caravan, he sent Muslims to attack it. He did not attach much importance to the confrontation and did not issue a compulsory order to wage war. When Abu Sufyan heard that the Messenger of Allah was coming towards him he sent to Makkah for help from the Quraysh to protect him from the Muslims. When this plea reached the people of Makkah, they decided that it must be serious. They prepared themselves quickly and departed. All of their nobles, apart from Abu Lahab, went to help and he appointed a man to take his place. ASSURANCE FROM THE ANSAR: When the Messenger of Allah heard that the Quraysh had set out from Makkah to stop the Muslims, he consulted his Companions. He was concerned about the Ansar because their original homage included the condition that they only defend him in their home territory. Since he resolved to leave Madinah, he wanted to know where they stood The Muhajirun assured him of their support, but he consulted them a second time, and then a third time. The Ansar fully understood the reason why he was concerned about them. Sa'd ibn Mu'adh replied, 'It seems that you are alluding to us. Perhaps you fear that the Ansar do not think that they have to help you outside their own territory. I speak for the Ansar and answer for them. Go where you wish, join whom you wish and cut off whom you wish. Take what you wish from our property and give us what you wish. What you take from us is dearer than what you leave. Whatever you command, we will follow it. By Allah, if you were to travel until you reached Bark Ghamdan, we would go with you. By Allah, if you were to cross this sea, we would plunge into it with you.' Al-Miqdad said, 'We do not say to you what the people of Musa said to Musa: "Go forth you and your Lord and do battle. We will be waiting here. "(5: 24) We will do battle on your right and on your left and in front of you and behind you.' When the Messenger of Allah heard this, his face shone with happiness 'Be Steadiest!' he said to his Companions. JIHAD AND MARTYRDOM: When the Muslims went to Badr, a boy called Umayr ibn Abi Waqqas came out. He was sixteen and afraid that the Prophet would not accept him because he was too young to fight. He tried to avoid being seen but his elder brother, Sa'd ibn Abi Waqqas, asked him what he was up to. 'I was afraid that the Messenger of Allah would send me back when I wanted to go out. It might be that Allah will grant me martyrdom,' he answered. That was indeed the case. The Messenger of Allah did want to send him back because he was so young. Umayr wept. His tears weakened the heart of the Messenger of Allah who allowed him to go after all. And Umayr was killed as a martyr during the expedition. DISPARITY IN NUMBERS: The Messenger of Allah set off for Badr swiftly with three hundred and thirteen men but only two horses and seventy camels. Two or three men rode on a camel in turns without any distinction being made between a soldier and a general. The Messenger of Allah, Abu Bakr, Umar and the great Companions were among them. The Prophet gave the banner to Mus'ab ibn Umayr, the flag of the Muhajirun to Ali ibn Abi Talib and the flag of the Ansar to Sa'd ibn Mu'adh. When Abu Sufyan heard that the Muslims had set out to intercept him, he turned his caravan towards the coast. When he saw that they were safe, he sent word to the Quraysh telling them to return as there was now nothing for them to do. The Quraysh wanted to turn back, but Abu Jahl insisted on attacking. The Quraysh army numbered more than a thousand, including all the warriors, leaders and horsemen. Of the fighters the Messenger of Allah said, 'Makkah has sent you its treasures, dear and beloved ones.' The Messenger or Allah and his Companions reached the water of Badr first. They arrived at midnight and built cisterns which they filled with water. The Messenger of Allah allowed unbelievers to drink of this water, too. Allah sent down heavy rain that night. It prevented the idol-worshippers from advancing. It was a mercy for the Muslims, however, as it made the ground smooth and the sand firm. This blessing strengthened their hearts. Allah describes the scene: 'He sent down water on you from heaven, to purify you thereby and to put away from you the defilement of Satan, and to strengthen your hearts and to confirm your feet.' (8: 11) PREPARATION FOR BATTLE: A shelter was built for the Messenger of Allah on a small hill overlooking the battlefield. He went down to the battlefield and began to point with his hand, saying, 'So- and-so will die here. So-and-so will die here. So-and-so will die here if Allah wills.' None of those people went any further than where he had pointed. When the idol-worshippers appeared and the two groups confronted one another, the Messenger of Allah said, 'O Allah, this is the Quraysh who have come with their vanity and their pride. They have come to fight You and deny Your Messenger.' It was the night of Friday, 17 Ramadan. In the morning, the Quraysh advanced in their squadrons and the two groups took up positions ready for battle. SUPPLICATION AND ENTREATY: The Messenger of Allah organised the ranks and returned to his shelter. He and Abu Bakr went inside. The Messenger of Allah prayed. He asked for the help of Allah Whose judgement cannot be turned aside and Whose decree cannot be averted. There is no help but from Allah. He said, 'O Allah, if You let this group of men die, no one after them will worship You on the earth.' He called out to his Lord, 'O Allah, give me the help which You promised me.' He raised his hands to the sky until the cloak fell from his shoulders. Abu Bakr consoled and comforted him. A CONFRONTATION: Then the Messenger of Allah went out to encourage the Muslims to fight. Utbah ibn Rabi'ah and his brother Shaybah and his son al-Walid stepped forward from the Quraysh. When they came forward between the opposing forces, they asked for other people to come forward as was the custom. When three youths of the Ansar went out to them they asked, 'Who are you?' 'We are from the Ansar.' 'We demand our equals. Send some of our own tribe out to us.' The Prophet said, 'Go forward, Ubaydah ibn al-Harith [ibn al-Muttalib ibn Abd Manaf], Hamzah and Ali.' 'Yes, these are our equals in nobility,' they said. Ubaydah, the oldest man chosen, went out against Utbah, Hamzah against Shaybah and 'Ail against al-Walid ibn Utbah. Hamzah and Ali quickly killed their opponents. Ubaydah and Utbah exchanged blows and each of them floored the other. Hamzah and Ali turned their swords against Utbah and finished him off and carried back Ubaydah, who was wounded. He died a martyr. WAR BREAKS OUT: The people crowded together and drew near to one another. The idol-worshippers approached. The Messenger of Allah cried out, 'Arise for a Paradise as wide as the heavens and the earth!' Umayr ibn al-Humam al-Ansari got up, asking, 'Messenger of Allah ! A Paradise as wide as the heavens and the earth?' 'Yes,' he said. 'Wonderful, wonderful, Messenger of Allah!' 'What moved you to say "Wonderful, wonderful"?' 'Nothing, by Allah, Messenger of Allah,' he said, except the hope that I will be among its people. 'You are one of its people,' he was told. Umayr took some dates from his quiver and began to eat. 'If I live to eat these dates it will be a long life,' he suddenly said. So he threw away the dates and ran to the battlefield. He fought the enemy until he was killed. He was the first martyr that day. The people were steadfast, constantly remembering Allah. The Messenger of Allah fought fiercely. He fought closely with the enemy and none was braver that day. The angels brought down mercy and victory and drove back the idol- worshippers. BROTHERS COMPETING IN JIHAD: The young men competed with each other as they raced for martyrdom and happiness. It was a race between friends, comrades and brothers. Abdur-Rahman ibn Awf said, 'I was in the ranks on the day of Badr. I turned and there were two young boys one on my right and the other on my left. I was not too happy about their position. One of them said to me, in a quiet voice that His companion could not hear, "Uncle, show me Abu Jahl." I said, "Nephew, what will you do to him?" He replied, "I have made a covenant with Allah that if I see him, I will kill him or die before him." The other boy then said the same thing to me, also keeping it from his companion.' He added,' I was so happy to be' between two men like them. I pointed Abu Jahl out to them and they attacked him like two falcons until they struck him down.' When Abu Jahl was killed, the Messenger of Allah said, 'This Abu Jahl was the Pharaoh of this community.' |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by Abdulsalam20(m): 10:11am On Sep 30, 2014 |
A CLEAR VICTORY: When the victory of the Muslims and the defeat of the idol- worshippers became clear, the Messenger of Allah said, 'Allah is greater! Praise belongs to Allah Who was true to His promise, helped His slave and defeated the parties alone.' Allah certainly spoke the truth when He said: 'Allah surely helped you at Badr when you were utterly abject. So fear Allah and perhaps you will be thankful.' (3: 123) The Messenger of Allah ordered the Quraysh dead to be thrown into a well. Then he stood over it and said, 'O people of the well! Have you found what Allah promised you to be true? I have certainly found that what my Lord promised me is true.' Seventy leaders of the unbelievers were killed and another seventy captured on the Day of Badr. Six Muslims of the Quraysh and eight of the Ansar were martyred. The Messenger of Allah divided the captives among his Companions and told them to treat them well. He then returned to Madinah confirmed in victory. All his enemies both in the city and in surrounding areas feared him. Many more people of Madinah were encouraged to become Muslims. In Makkah the idol-worshippers mourned for their slain. Terror entered the hearts of all the Muslims' enemies. CAPTIVES AS TEACHERS: The Messenger of Allah pardoned the captives and accepted ransom from them. He was gracious to those who had nothing and set them free. The Quraysh sent money to ransom the captives and he set them free too. Among the captives were those who had nothing with which to ransom themselves. The Messenger of Allah allowed them to earn their freedom by teaching the children of the Ansar to write. Each prisoner taught ten Muslims. Zayd ibn Thabit was one of those who learned in this way from the captives of Badr. The Banu Qaynuqa' were the first Jews to break the agreement they had made with the Messenger of Allah by insulting him and harming the Muslims. The Messenger of Allah then laid siege to them for fifteen days until they surrendered unconditionally. Their ally, Abdullah ibn Ubayy, the head of the hypocrites, interceded for them and the Messenger of Allah raised the siege at his request. Seven hundred Jewish artisans and merchants were bearing arms on that occasion. |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by Abdulsalam20(m): 10:15am On Sep 30, 2014 |
YOU SHOULD HAVE TRY TOJUSTIFY THE TERROR IN YOUR BOOK www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/terrorinthebible.htm INFACT WHAT U GUYS POSTED IS IRRITATING AFTER ALL CLEAR PROOF TO JUSTIFY ISLAM THAT ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION OF TERRORISM |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by yazach: 10:16am On Sep 30, 2014 |
HolyHolla: I will start by point no 6(six), this is because I will want you to be sincere as any insincerity will not yield anything. I you look at the bold in your post you will agree with me that the statement was not true because if you truly read the verses, you won't post this sixth point at all. Now let us open the qura'an and confirm what we have, then merge it with the post if it is true. Point 6 posted by you 6. Jesus Christ alone was distinguished from all others in the sense that He was the Creator: "I will create for you out of clay as the likeness of a bird; then I will breathe into it and it will be a bird." Qura'an Verse used: (3)House of Imran 42). i.e Qura'an 3:42 What the real verse says: Qura'an 3:42. And (remember) when the angels said: "O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allah has chosen you, purified you (from polytheism and disbelief), and chosen you above the women of the 'Alamin (mankind and jinns) (of her lifetime)." The question now is that can you still tell me you that you read this verse and confirm its truthfulness? |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by HolyHolla(m): 12:20pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
yazach: abdulsalam20, you need to realize that the crop of people engaged in discussions here are not riff-raffs and neither are they so degenerate that you will be in position to carelessly use foul words on them. Some are more like your superiors in every way and standard and you are only chanced to discuss with them because they chose to make NL a forum for sharing intelligent discourse. In real life, you may never have the chance to get near them for discussions, mind you. No wonder people associate Islam with violence, uncouth words and barbarism. While I believe that Abdulsalam20 is no longer worthy of any response from sensible intellectuals because of his foul language, which portrays Muslims as people without good manners and decency, I believe you, yazach still remains worthy of sensible response and further intelligent discourse. You may want to check the various versions of translations of quran to find out that not all agree with chapter and verse divisions. That your quran's interpretation states something else in the verse quoted by another does not invalidate the other. We all realize that unlike the Bible which is generally similar in chapters and verses, divisions in qurans differ from interpreter to interpreter. For this reason, please cut us some slacks if we miquote verses and chapters, but still state what is somewhere else in the quran. What I want you to do therefore, is either give us the correct chapter and verse where these quotes are in your own interpretation or in the alternative, tell us without doubt that what is quoted is not in the quran. That established, I want you to ponder on these. Jesus was definitely acclaimed as creator in the quran. First, He is called the word of God. We all know that God created by His Word and the book of John begins by describing Jesus as this Word, by whom all things were created. Second, the quran established that Jesus made a bird from clay and made it to come alive. You will agree with me that only One who is God in nature can create like this, wouldn't you? No other person in Islamic history has ever been reported to be capable of this creative ability. Third, the quran, I believe, described the way by which God created human beings as making them as mould of clay and giving them life, which is the capability of the Creator only. If we are saying, therefore, that Jesus is acclaimed as Creator by the quran, are we wrong in making such conclusions? If we are wrong, what is your explanations on my submissions of Jesus' ability to create? |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by Abdulsalam20(m): 1:05pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
HolyHolla:FEAR GOD U SAID I AM USING FOUL LANGUAGE PLS WHO FIRST STARTED IT INSULTING OUR BELOVED PROPHET SAYING WHAT U DONT UNDERSTAND EVEN AFTER THE THREAD IS NOW 5 PAGE WE KEPT ON ENLIGHTEN YOU THAT ISLAM IS NOT SUPPORTING ANY FORM OF TERROR ANYTIME ANYONE POST A VERSE I EXPLAIN IT WITH THE HISTORICAL BACKGROUND BUT BECAUSE OF THE HATRED IN YOUR HEARTH YOU DIDNT LISTEN EVEN THOUGH MOST OF ALL WHAT WE ARE DOING ARE SUPPORTED IN THE BIBLE IS IT ABOUT SOLAT OR GOING TO HAJJ OR OFFERING ZAKAT I POSTED EVERYTHING HERE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT ISLAM IS NOT ANTICHRIST BUT THE PRESENT CHRISTIAN ARE THE REAL ONE BECAUSE OF THE HATRED IN YOUR HEART AND BECAUSE YOU HAVE DOMINATED THE MEDIA YOU START GIVING BAD IMAGE TO ISLAM BUT ALHAMDULILLAH SOME PEOPLE ARE NOW REALISING THE TRUTH THAT IS WHY ISLAM IS THE FASTEST GROWING RELIGION IN THE WORLD BECAUSE ONLY FEW WHO REALLY LEARN ABOUT ISLAM UNDERSTAND IT CHECK MY PROFILE EVERYTHING I POSTED NO SINGLE CHRISTIAN TO PROVE IT WRONG ALL THEY DO IS TO INSULT ME BUT I KEPT ON ENLIGHTEN THEM..... BUT TODAY WHAT A MAN POSTED HERE ABOUT BATTLE OF BADR REALLY PROVOKE ME THAT EVEN AFTER ALL THE PROOF SOMEONE CAN STILL COME HERE TO POST THAT TRASH EVEN THOUGH WHAT HE POSTED IS LIE.............I NEVER START THE INSULT PLS CHECK ALL THE THREAD I CREATED AND SEE HOW YOUR BROTHERS ARE FOOLING ME.......BUT STILL YET I STILL ASK GOD FOR FORGIVENESS BBECAUSE I MAKE MY ANGER TOO MUCH........LIKE I HAVE ALWAYS SAID IF YOU SEE ME DOING ANYTHING DONT BLAME MY RELIGION BLAME ME BECAUSE MY RELIGION IS PERFECT BUT I AM NOT PERFECT......AND MIND YOU YOU QUOTED THE WRONG PERSON NOT ME |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by Abdulsalam20(m): 1:21pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
BUT IF ANYTHING I POSTED HERE SEEMS OFFENSIVE I TENDER MY HUMBLE APOLOGY TO EVERYONE BUT LET THE FOUL WORDS BE SUSPENDED BY EVRYONE MOST ESPECIALLY YOUR BROTHERS THE WAY MOST OF THEM POST IS ERYBAD MOST ESPECIALLY BOSTDIAMOND .............ONES AGAIN I AM SORRY I NEVER INTEND TO USE IT BUT IT IS DUE TO ANGER........AND ALSO I HAVE MODIFY THE POST |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by Abdulsalam20(m): 1:47pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
HolyHolla:though many christian have been posting about jesus as GOD and also say it can be proved in the quran even though it can be proved wrong from both bible and quran i will try to post some verses which many christian always post in other to butress their claim and i will explain it but pls u might say my post is too lenghty i have no choice this thing have tobe comprehensive first verse 003.049 YUSUFALI: "And (appoint him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah's leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe; my response 003.049 YUSUFALI: "And (appoint him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, So even before Jesus performs the miracle he tells the people that it is from God! So Jesus is basically telling the people I am comming with a miracle from the Lord, after saying this Jesus then performs the miracle hence making it clear that isnt really him doing this great work but it is God! 003.049 YUSUFALI: "And (appoint him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's leave So Jesus is saying this miracle happens by Allah's permission! Allah is granting Jesus this great miracle, it is not really Jesus' breath that is giving life, it is the fact that Allah is allowing Jesus' his breath to grant life! Jesus could breath into anything he wants, this wouldnt mean the things he breathes into becomes alive, it is only Allah's will and power that allows Jesus' breath to grant life. Another verse Christians like to bring up is: 003.045 PICKTHAL: (And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah). Christians like to bring this up because the verse says that Jesus is the Messiah. To begin with, Jesus being called the Messiah is a title of honor, secondly no where in the Quran is the term Messiah reffered to as God, there is no concept of the Messiah being God in Islam Thirdly, even in Christianity being the Messiah doesnt make you God! This definition is a Christian myth, being a Messiah does not make you God, Messiah means the annoited one, the saviour, the one who come and save the Jew. The Messiah does not mean God. . THE MEANING OF CHRIST: the Messiah whose coming is prophesied in the Old Testament. Content Under License from Crystal Reference, copyright 2003. Christ noun 1. The Messiah whose coming is prophesied in the Old Testament. 2. Jesus of Nazareth, or Jesus Christ, believed by Christians to be the Messiah. 3. A figure or picture of Jesus. Non of the definitions of Christ is God. It is simply the Messiah, therefore we must now see what the Messiah means, and if the Jews believed the Messiah would be God. THE MEANING OF MESSIAH Taken from http://education.yahoo.com/reference/ dictionary/entry/Messiah Mes·si·ah (m-s) KEY NOUN: 1. also Mes·si·as (m-ss) KEY The anticipated savior of the Jews. 2. also Messias Christianity Jesus. 3. messiah One who is anticipated as, regarded as, or professes to be a savior or liberator. Taken from http://www.allwords.com/word-Messiah.html Now we must see if the Jews thought the Messiah would be God: Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Messiah i posted the link because i want it to be brief |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by Abdulsalam20(m): 2:15pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
Finally Christians also always like to bring this verse up: S. 4:171 we are told: "O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the Son of Mary was a messenger of Allah, and His Word (Kalimatuhu), which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him (Ruhun-Minhu): so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not 'three': desist." infact this is the verse you lay emphasis on my response Christians claim that since Jesus is a word and spirit of Allah then this means he is God, well Islamic scholars already adressed this, (Al-Masih `Isa, son of Maryam, was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word, which He bestowed on Maryam and a spirit from [created by] Him  `Isa is onlyone of Allah's servants and one of His creatures. Allah said to him, `Be', and he was, and He sent him as a Messenger. `Isa was a word from Allah that He bestowed on Maryam, meaning He created him with the word `Be' that He sent with Jibril to Maryam. Jibril blew the life of `Isa into Maryam by Allah's leave, and `Isa came to existence as a result. This incident was in place of the normal conception between man and woman that results in children. This is why `Isa was a word and a Ruh (spirit) created by Allah, as he had no father to conceive him. Rather, he came to existence through the word that Allah uttered, `Be,' and he was, through the life that Allah sent with Jibril. Allah said, (Al-Masih [`Isa], son of Maryam, was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother [Maryam] was a Siddiqah. They both ate food.) And Allah said, (Verily, the likeness of `Isa before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be! Ü and he was.) (And she who guarded her chastity, We breathed into her (garment) and We made her and her son [`Isa] a sign for all that exits.) (21:91) (And Maryam, the daughter of `Imran who guarded her chastity,) and Allah said concerning the Messiah (He [`Isa] was not more than a servant. We granted Our favor to him.) The Meaning of "His Word and a spirit from Him Abdur-Razzaq narrated that Ma`mar said that Qatadah said that the Ayah, (And His Word, which He bestowed on Maryam and a spirit from [created by] Him means, He said,: (and His Word, which He bestowed on Maryam and aspirit from [created by] Him "`Isa was not the word.Rather, `Isa came to existence because of the word.'' Al- Bukhari recorded that `Ubadah bin As-Samit said that the Prophet said, (If anyone testifies that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah Alone Who has no partners, and that Muhammad is His servant and Messenger, and that `Isa is Allah's servant and Messenger and His Word which He bestowed on Maryam and a spirit created by Him, and that Paradise is true and Hell is true, then Allah will admit him into Paradise with the deeds which he performed.) In another narration, the Prophet said, (...through any of the eight doors of Paradise he wishes.) Muslim also recorded it. Therefore, `Ruh from Allah', in the Ayah and the Hadith is similar to Allah's statement, [b] ( And has subjected to you all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth; it is all from Him.) meaning, from His creation. `from Him' does not mean that it is a part of Him, as the Christians claim Saying that something is from Allah, such as the spirit of Allah, the she-camel of Allah or the House of Allah, is meant to honor such items. Allah said, (Say not: "Three!" do not elevate `Isa and his mother tobe gods with Allah. Allah is far holier than what they attribute to Him. In Surat Al-Ma'idah (chapter 5), Allah said, INFACT THIS ONE IS INTERESTING (Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allah is the third of the three.'' But there is none who has the right to be worshipped but One God.) Allah said by the end of the same Surah, (And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O `Isa, son of Maryam! Did you say unto men: `Worship me''') and in its beginning, So Jesus IS NOT GOD according to Islam, this is a Christian myth. Praise Allah, Jesus was a prophet of Allah! AMEEN.....I THINK THIS IS ENOUGH TO EXPLAIN TOYOU THAT JESUS IS A PROPHET IT IS EVIDENT IN THE BIBLE ALSO BUT I WILL POST POST THAT LATER [/b] |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by yazach: 2:38pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
HolyHolla: @bold, please try to stop using those statement even if someone abuses you, the moment you start abusing the person makes you be like the person Now to your response, am sure you understand what I am saying, but to make it more clear: Their is different between interpretation and translation and I have not even say anything on the interpretation of the verse but the translation In point no 6 of your post, it read thus: 6. Jesus Christ alone was distinguished from all others in the sense that He was the Creator: "I will create for you out of clay as the likeness of a bird; then I will breathe into it and it will be a bird." (3)House of Imran 42). But in every translation of the quran this is what we found Qura'an 3 vs 42. And (remember) when the angels said: "O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allah has chosen you, purified you (from polytheism and disbelief), and chosen you above the women of the 'Alamin (mankind and jinns) (of her lifetime)." The similitude of the point 6 is like saying: B is the 1st letter of English alphabet So the question I asked from the beginning still remain unanswered: will you still tell me you go through the mentioned verses of the qura'an to confirm its authenticity? If yes, please copy and past the verse in the point six in your response Thanks |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by yazach: 2:45pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20: Jazakumullahu Khaira fi duniya wali aakhira Word of taught: If I do something wrong, don't blame my religion blame me because my religion(Al-Islam) is perfect but I am not Perfect. what a wonderful expression again: Jazakumullahu Khaira fi duniya wali aakhira |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by Abdulsalam20(m): 2:49pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
yazach:wa iya iyakum..........the way i insult them is not really my fault but the anger in me..........and even before he quote me i have decided to come and modify it because we are told to argue with them in a suitable manner........i dont have to be shy in expressin my mistake 2 Likes |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by HolyHolla(m): 5:37pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20: BUT IF ANYTHING I POSTED HERE SEEMS OFFENSIVE I TENDER MY HUMBLE APOLOGY TO EVERYONE BUT LET THE FOUL WORDS BE SUSPENDED BY EVRYONE MOST ESPECIALLY YOUR BROTHERS THE WAY MOST OF THEM POST IS ERYBAD MOST ESPECIALLY Apology accepted. We are all human. Please take discussions here as intellectual exchanges of matured minds and avoid allowing anyone get into you. We are all here to learn from both wise and foolish posts. I believe we all appreciate your maturity in apologising. |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by HolyHolla(m): 6:47pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
yazach: Here, you need to be more sincere with me. You very well know that verse may have been misquoted, but it is right in the Quran, don"t you? |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by HolyHolla(m): 6:50pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
yazach: Please check 5:110 for the correct quote. |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by HolyHolla(m): 6:53pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
yazach and abdulsalam20 n your last submissions, I will comprehensively reply to you both at the same time. The Quran says these of Jesus: Born of a virgin 19:19-20, 21:91; strengthened with the Holy Spirit 2:87; given revelation by the Holy Spirit and not just angelic beings 19:30; taken bodily into Heaven 3:55; received the true Gospel from God 57:27; and asked all to obey him 43:63. If as a true Muslim should, you believe the Bible as the Quran says, you must also believe the surah that says, “… We believe in that which is revealed to us and which was revealed to you. Our God and your God is one. To Him we surrender ourselves.” The Arab prophet (El-Bukhari) testified for the perfection of Christ and His infallibility, saying: "Satan pokes with his finger the side of every human at birth, except Jesus, son of Mary; when he went to poke Him, he poked the curtain." No other person has ever claimed this level of perfection which is akin to divinity. In the 2:253 of Quran, Mohammed was saying something about the inspiration of Jesus by the Holy Spirit, wasn’t he? Inspiration means infallibility of His claims as the Holy Spirit of God cannot inspire lies. If therefore, Jesus claimed in the Holy books to be God, He could not be wrong. Further, to buttress the divine attribute of Jesus as God, the prophet in 3:135 says, “… and who can forgive sins except Allah?” Jesus said “The Son of Man has power to forgive sins”. Both OT and NT are accepted by Mohammed as true divine inspirations. The testimony of this appears in most parts of chapter 7 of the Quran as well as 5:46, 6:154, 7:73,17:43 and several other verses. If the NT writers believed that Jesus is Savior we should not be surprised to find them ascribing divine functions to Him. Only Jesus will be the Judge who will come to this world to judge the living and the dead; the Arab prophet, El-Bukhari confirmed this fact, saying: "The Last Hour will not come until the Son of Mary come down as the just Judge”. According to the Bible and Koran, God is the Judge of all the earth. The Old Testament teaches that God has appointed a day when he will come and gather all the peoples before him in order to judge them in righteousness. The NT says the same, but refers to Jesus Christ as that Judge, saying; "And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead." Acts 10:42 This judgment can only be the work of Savior, or Messiah, as Christ is similarly named in the Quran, which also testifies to a day when Christ will return to the earth to judge the whole world. Even though you claim that the word ‘Messiah’ only means anointed one, you neglected to add that it also means Savior. Jesus Christ alone exclusively enjoyed the prophetical title of "the Messiah": According to the Quran, "The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was God's Messenger, and His Word committed to Mary…". The Old Testament made known the real identity of the Messiah, saying: "Behold the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth… and this is the name whereby He shall be called: THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS." (Jeremiah 23:5-6) If God assigned Jesus the role of Judge specifically, it must be because is not like any other, and only God is not like any other. The Psalmist exhorted the people to worship Yahweh since he was coming to judge the nations. This presupposes that one of the many reasons why God is worthy of worship is because he is the Judge of all creation. To be able to render perfect judgment, Jesus must be omniscient and omnipotent. In a similar manner, the Lord Jesus claims that the reason why God entrusted all judgment to him is so that everyone may worship the Son as they worship the Father: "The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him… And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man." John 5:22-23 Jesus emphatically states that everyone must give him the same honor that they give to God! Jesus is basically demanding to be worshiped as God. Anyone who fails to worship Christ will be judged and condemned by him. Daniel 7:13-14 foresaw a Son of Man whom God appointed to rule over the peoples of the earth forever and whom all the nations had to worship and serve. Jesus was basically saying that he is that Son of Man whom Daniel saw, the very One who rules forever over the entire creation of God and who shall be worshiped by everyone. The NT writers call the judgment day the Day of the Lord Jesus, the Day of Christ. It is true that the Quran writes of Jesus as being created. But somehow, this seems to be an error because the same Quran says that all humans are created by God (3:191) and from Adam (6:98; 7:12, 189), who was the first of all humans and created from dust. Writing about the creation of angels, the Quran claims that they were made with fire and wind (15:27). But writing of the purported creation of Jesus, it says that He was created with dust like Adam and commanded to life by the word of God “be” (3:59). It is impossible to reconcile how Adam could be the progenitor of all humans while Jesus too is created as another human, judging from the fact that He was not said to have been created the same way as the Jinns (angels), but as another human from dust apart from Adam. The other conflict comes up when Jesus was mentioned to have created a bird by the power of God in 5:110. Who can create except God? Jesus Christ alone was distinguished from all others in the sense that He was the Creator. The Quran quotes God as saying of Jesus, "I will create for you out of clay as the likeness of a bird; then I will breathe into it and it will be a bird." (5:110) Another aspect that will definitely convince anyone is the claim by the Quran 19:19 that Jesus is pure and holy (as Al Quddus). All prophets mentioned in Quran were said to have been inspired (16:43; 17:93), but Jesus did not enjoy simple inspiration, but had the Holy Spirit of God in Him having said to have emanated from the Spirit of God. For this reason, He did not need a sexual, genetic birth. Quoting the Quran; “The Messiah, Jesus Son of Mary, God's Messenger, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a Spirit from Him”. He is exalted above all like God is exalted (7:73; 17:43). He is also honored above all with definite signs to show (3:45) unlike Mohammed, who was doubted as stated in 13:7 because he did not have signs following him. In all of Jewish, Christian and Islamic history, Jesus was matchless in performing miracles and the wonders which no other could. The Quran testifies of this in 3:49. This is a sign that He is not ordinary angelic or human being and refusing to believe that is to ascribe magical powers to Christ and that would negate the spirit both biblical and quranic writings. While Mohammed claimed that he did not know all things in 11:31, and never guaranteed that himself or his followers would definitely make heaven, only Jesus Christ could give His followers high honors and assurances concerning the day of Resurrection. Even the Quran testifies of this; "I will cause thee to die, and I will raise thee to Me, and I will purify thee of those who believe not. I will set thy followers above the unbelievers till the resurrection Day," (3:55). If you meditate on any of the Koran verses that portray Jesus Christ, you find inherent attributes that are exclusively distinctive of God not shared with any human at all. Jesus Christ did not enjoy only one of these attributes but He included all of them in His blessed person, so that He may leave no doubt concerning His deity and divinity. The New Testament, which is accepted by Mohammed, recorded that the All-mighty God became a perfect man (something that was easy for Him to do) and came from heaven to our earth to save men. The Bible says of the beginning when the Word was, “and the Word was with God, and the word was God … and the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." (John 1:1,14). Then the Bible continues the portrayal of Christ, saying; "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory." (1 Timothy 3:16). In justifying the honor placed on Jesus, Allah is quoted in Quran as saying; “Isa (Jesus), I am about to cause your term on earth to end and lift you up to Me. I shall take you away from those who disbelieve and exalt your followers above them till the Day of Resurrection." The Jews believe, as many of the Muslims do, that the idea of "The Son of God" was an innovation of Christianity, brought as a heresy against the faith in the One God. But in the Jewish Torah or Old Testament, you will find that the doctrine of God's Son is braided, fused, and embedded its very foundations. Psalm 2:10-12 says; "Now therefore be wise, O ye kings: Be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve Jehovah with fear, And rejoice with trembling. Kiss the son, lest he be angry, and ye perish in the way, For his wrath will soon be kindled. Blessed are all they that take refuge in him." The wisest human that ever lived, King Solomon, made known that that Son is the Son of the Omni-potent Creator to whom nothing is impossible: "Who hath ascended up into heaven, and descended? Who hath gathered the wind in his fists? Who hath bound the waters in his garment? Who hath established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou knowest? " (Proverbs 30:4) |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by Abdulsalam20(m): 9:44pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
HolyHolla:i will try as much as possible to enlighten you more.....the fact is that islam requires knowledge @ the bolded part 1 you claim the holy spirit is not an angelic eing your proof “We gave Jesus, son of Mary, clear signs, and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit…” (Al- Baqarah: 253) [b] in the first place who is the holy spirit in the QURAN?.....the holy spirit is ANGELGABRIEL MY PROOF He sends down the Spirit from His command, upon those of His servants He chooses, in order to warn people of the Day of Meeting.” (Ghafir: 15) 2. “Say: The Holy Spirit brought it down from your Lord with the truth, to strengthen those who believe, and as a guidance and good tidings to the Muslims.” (An-Nahl: 102) 3. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) prayed to Allah to strengthen the famous poet Hassan ibn Thabit with the Holy Spirit in composing poems in defense of Islam: “O Allah! Strengthen him with the Holy Spirit.” (Reported by al-Bukhari) more: www.islamawareness.net/Angels/fatwa_holyspirit.html SO THIS IS ENOUGH TO PROVE TO YOU THAT ALL PROPHET INCLUDING PROPHET MUHAMMAD RECEIVE REVELATION FROM ANGEL GABRIEL AND THIS IS EVIDENT IN THE BIBLE bt am nt going into that ).....so the holy spirit is angel gabriel and all prophet receive revelation from him NOT ONLY JESUS [/b] also in your next post @ bolded 2 ” HolyHolla: received the truepls read the full verse From verse 26 1:26 And We sent Noah and Abraham, and established in their line Prophethood and Revelation: and some of them were on right guidance. But many of them became rebellious transgressors.1:27 Then, in their wake, We followed them up with (others of) Our apostles: We sent after them Jesus the son of Mary, and bestowed on him the Gospel; and We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him Compassion and Mercy. But the Monasticism which they invented for themselves, We did not prescribe for them: (We commanded) only the seeking for the Good Pleasure of Allah. but that they did not foster as they should have done. Yet We bestowed, on those among them who believed, their (due) reward, but many of them are rebellious transgressors. DID YOU READ THIS VERSE? as you can see your clim is not there the verse is even rebuking the christians it is telling them the truth HolyHolla: 43:63you quote 53:63 pls read from erse 62 1:62 Let not the Evil One hinder you: for he is to you an enemy avowed. 1:63 When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: "Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear Allah and obey me. 1:64 "For Allah, He is my Lord and your Lord: so worship ye Him: this is a Straight Way."1:65 But sects from among themselves fell into disagreement: then woe to the wrong-doers, from the Penalty of a Grievous Day! as you can see i dont need to comment on it the verse is explanatory in fact the verse is eplanatory in the bible John 20:17 "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God thefore jesus say we should worship god AND he adress every body as son of god I WILL EXPLAIN THAT VERSE MORE CONCERINING MUSLIM BELIEF ON BIBLE 1 Like |
| Re: I Am A Muslim ,i Despise Bokoharam by Abdulsalam20(m): 11:21pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
now lets examine if what the quran say about the bible is true 1:65 But sects from among themselves fell into disagreement: then woe to the wrong- doers, from the Penalty of a Grievous Day! before i prove it right i will want to say what muslim says about the bible ALLAH send moses to deliver the torah and jesus (injeel)........and some other prophets are send by almighty ALLAH we muslim we agree by anything the bible say that did not contradict the quran but any verse in the bible that contradict the quran is not from GOD According to our belief Allaah says about the Jews (interpretation of the meaning): “Do you (faithful believers) covet that they will belive in your religion in spite of the fact that a party of them (Jewish rabbis) used to hear the Word of Allaah (the Tawraat), then they used to change it knowingly after they understood it?” [al-Baqarah 2:75] NOW EVIDENCE IN THE BIBLE Take this example: www.answering-christianity.com/1john5_7.htm The lie of 1 John 5:7 later discovered by the Roman Catholics Theologians. Some Bible do have verse 1 John 5:7, and some don't. So, even if there was some prophecy that was fulfilled in the book of 1 John, which there isn't by the way, then this still doesn't make all of it TRUSTFUL, because according to the Theologians and Historians of the Bible, most of the books and gospels of the Bible were written by MYSTERIOUS AUTHORS. No one really knows WHO THE REAL AUTHORS WERE! 2. Take another example: The NIV Bible's Theologians and Historians wrote the following about the book of Mark in dark green below. Pay close attention to the commentary on Mark 16:9-20 doubtful verses below: The Gospel of Mark: "Although there is no direct internal evidence of authorship, it was the unanimous testimony of the early church that this Gospel was written by John Mark. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1488) " So, in reality, we don't really know whether Mark was the sole author of this Gospel or not. And since The New Testament wasn't even documented on paper until 150-300 years (depending on what Christian you talk to) after Jesus, then how are we to know for sure that the current "Gospel of Mark" wasn't written by some pro of Mark? 3. So, in reality, we don't really know whether Mark was the sole author of this Gospel or not. And since The New Testament wasn't even documented on paper until 150-300 years (depending on what Christian you talk to) after Jesus, then how are we to know for sure that the current "Gospel of Mark" wasn't written by some pro of Mark? This quote raises a very serious issue here. First of all, as we've seen above in the first quote, we have no evidence that proves that John Mark was the sole author of this so called "Gospel". Second of all, we see that this Gospel has some serious problems/suspicions in it. The issue of Mark 16:9-20 is a scary one, because many Christian cults today use poisonous snakes in their worship and end up dying. Removing Mark 16:9-20 is quite appreciated by me personally (to be quite honest with you), because it prevents people from dying from snake bites. But however, the serious issue of man's corruption of the Bible remains. We can be absolutely certain now that the above quotes prove without a doubt that the Bible is doubtful. The quote "or its original ending has been lost" proves that what we call today "Gospels" were not written by their original authors such as Mark, John, Matthew, etc... It proves that the Gospel had been tampered with by man. Let alone considering it as the True Living Words of GOD Almighty. If John Mark wasn't the one who wrote Mark 16:9-20, then who did? And how can you prove the ownership of the other person? Let alone proving that it was GOD Almighty's Revelation. And as we saw in the first quote above, we don't even know that John Mark was indeed the one who wrote the so called "Gospel of Mark". To say the least in our case here, we now have enough evidence to discard the entire Gospel of Mark from the Bible, because you can't take bits and pieces of it and say some of it belongs to him and some of it doesn't! Let alone considering the entire corrupted Gospel as the True Living Word of GOD Almighty, which is a complete blasphemy. ( www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm Know they not Allah Knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal? And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book, but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture. Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:77-79) " also more than 11 contradiction in the bible www.answering-christianity.com/101_bible_contradictions.htm |
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