LordReed:

Yes he did because he understood the difference between obeying and disobeying.

You can twist things, I give you that. The truth is that you're making no point or sense. One can only obey, if he knows that doing so is good, and disobeying is bad . They didn't know good and bad.

plaetton:
This is what I love about the bible: anyone is free to interpret to suit.
I guess what they fellow is asking is whether a parent should hold his child responsible , or hold a big grudge against your child for an act committed while he was a six-month old toddler, knowing fully well that toddlers tend to act out their curiosity by touching things and putting things in their mouth despite the repeated admonitions of parents.

Why would a parent hold a toddler responsible for such actions? They don't come inbuilt with such knowledge to be able to distinguish such things or actions.

LordReed:

God knows all that you can do and all the possible outcomes of your choices but He leaves the actual choosing up to you.

Yet he got angry to the extent that he lay a curse of death on them that extends to his entire generations. So much for living by example and being all forgiven.

BodyKiss:

You can twist things, I give you that. The truth is that you're making no point or sense. One can only obey, if he knows that doing so is good, and disobeying is bad . They didn't know good and bad.

There is no need to twist anything. Are you saying the Adam was incapable of understanding the command God gave? That he could not correctly interpret that what God wanted was for him not to eat the fruit?

BodyKiss:

Yet he got angry to the extent that he lay a curse of death on them that extends to his entire generations. So much for living by example and being all forgiven.

Understand the consequence was made very clear to Adam. You are the ones getting in a twist because you say Adam had no knowledge so you are forced to making God an evil judge. God says to Adam "You will die if you eat this" yet you say Adam didn't have knowledge, you are the ones contradicting yourselves.

LordReed:

Yes it was.

I just find it hard to reconcile your posts with God saying that 'man has become like us...'

If he was not like them, what originally distinguished him from them?

LordReed:

Understand the consequence was made very clear to Adam. You are the ones getting in a twist because you say Adam had no knowledge so you are forced to making God an evil judge. God says to Adam "You will die if you eat this" yet you say Adam didn't have knowledge, you are the ones contradicting yourselves.

Death was alien. Why should Adam have feared it deeply to stay away from the tree?

LordReed:

There is no need to twist anything. Are you saying the Adam was incapable of understanding the command God gave? That he could not correctly interpret that what God wanted was for him not to eat the fruit?

How could he? He was without sense. Remember?

LordReed:

Understand the consequence was made very clear to Adam. You are the ones getting in a twist because you say Adam had no knowledge so you are forced to making God an evil judge. God says to Adam "You will die if you eat this" yet you say Adam didn't have knowledge, you are the ones contradicting yourselves.

This didn't address the quoted post.

efedua: u would have be the witness as u forgot that God already built there union after creating them. did u think dat left there mind, why didn't Adam question God for driving them from the garden of Eden?

So a man can just pick a woman he finds anywhere on the basis of "God has built our union"

hifaif:

Death was alien. Why should Adam have feared it deeply to stay away from the tree?

Exactly, it's like telling me I will bdhydj if I eat amala. What tha fvck is bdhydj?

hifaif:

I just find it hard to reconcile your posts with God saying that 'man has become like us...'

If he was not like them, what originally distinguished him from them?

I was trying to explain that part to you when you went all up about how it was not the point of the thread.

I used the words "subjective observation" because now man has gained the ability to interpret the world that is himself and his environment without recourse to God. He is now "independent". In this way has he become like God, no longer needing an external guide.

LordReed:

Understand the consequence was made very clear to Adam. You are the ones getting in a twist because you say Adam had no knowledge so you are forced to making God an evil judge. God says to Adam "You will die if you eat this" yet you say Adam didn't have knowledge, you are the ones contradicting yourselves.

dere is a difference btw knowledge and knowledge of good and evil

BodyKiss:

How could he? He was without sense. Remember?

How can you say man that named all the animals was without sense?

AndtheLORDGodsaid,Themanhasnowbecomelikeoneofus,knowinggoodandevil.Hemustnotbeallowedtoreachouthishandandtakealsofromthetreeoflifeandeat,andliveforever.

hifaif:

Death was alien. Why should Adam have feared it deeply to stay away from the tree?

BodyKiss:
Exactly, it's like telling me I will bdhydj is I eat amala. What tha fvck is bdhydj?

He didn't need to fear death to understand what it was. Words carry concept meanings between communicators. God was communicating to man in the way he could understand even though we don't know what language they were using we know that they were exchanging mean. When God told Adam about death, Adam understood what death was. I know the question now will be but how would Adam know about death and still eat the fruit? That was the job of the deceiver. The deceiver says to Eve "You will not die". These conversations are all carrying meaning back and forth between the participants so there is absolutely no way you can claim that Adam and Eve were senseless.

LordReed:

How can you say man that named all the animals was without sense?

And the LORD God said, "The man has now
become like one of us, knowing good and evil.
He must not be allowed to reach out his hand
and take also from the tree of life and eat, and
live forever."

BodyKiss:

This didn't address the quoted post.

It did unless you want to be disingenuous. The consequence of death was pronounced before the act yet you said God got angry and cursed him with death.

LordReed:

Why would a parent hold a toddler responsible for such actions? They don't come inbuilt with such knowledge to be able to distinguish such things or actions.

Good.
Then same can be said of Adam and the so-called original sin.
Not so?

LordReed:

How can you say man that named all the animals was without sense?

And the contradiction goes on. So much from a man without knowledge of good and bad.
Could you help me with some exact names Adam gave to some animals?

plaetton:

Good.
Then same can be said of Adam and the so-called original sin.
Not so?

Nope not so. Adam wasn't a child, he was an adult with full reasoning capacity.

BTW there is nothing like original sin.

BodyKiss:

And the contradiction goes on. So much from a man without knowledge of good and bad.
Could you help me with some exact names Adam gave to some animals?

You are the one contradicting yourself. I have held from start that Adam had knowledge. You say Adam was senseless yet Adam named the animals abi you don't see this in the Bible:

Genesis 2
19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Asking what names Adam used is like asking what language they spoke; lost to the annals of time and so irrelevant at this point.

pesty100: And the LORD God said, "The man has now
become like one of us, knowing good and evil.
He must not be allowed to reach out his hand
and take also from the tree of life and eat, and
live forever."

Thank you

LordReed:

I was trying to explain that part to you when you went all up about how it was not the point of the thread.

I used the words "subjective observation" because now man has gained the ability to interpret the world that is himself and his environment without recourse to God. He is now "independent". In this way has he become like God, no longer needing an external guide.

I fear that sounds like your interpretation. The bible didn't mince words when he said man now had the knowledge of good and evil (which he never had).

And if he was testing man's ability to make choices, why punish him gravely for a first mistake? After all your post seem to suggest that man was still learning how to make choices.

A mere command not to 'eat' while God knew Adam had a subtle creature nearby.

LordReed:

How can you say man that named all the animals was without sense?

He did the alien task of naming all the animals but couldn't sew a cloth for himself and his wife. What can you say about that, sir?

hifaif:

He did the alien task of naming all the animals but couldn't sew a cloth for himself and his wife. What can you say about that, sir?

Na wa o. Na God sew dey cloth na
Gen 3:21

LordReed:

Nope not so. Adam wasn't a child, he was an adult with full reasoning capacity.

BTW there is nothing like original sin.

How can Adam be said to have full reasoning capacity when he clearly did not not have the capacity to discern good and evil, much in the same way as toddlers?

careytommy:
Na wa o. Na God sew dey cloth na
Gen 3:21

I never said he was not the one na

hifaif:

I fear that sounds like your interpretation. The bible didn't mince words when he said man now had the knowledge of good and evil (which he never had).

Nope you are the one misreading my words. I have told you there is a difference between the good and evil of the fruit and the good and evil of morality. I have tried to show you that Adam had knowledge and intelligence before the fall. Those are not my words are there in the Bible, I am only attempting to draw you a clearer picture with my own words. You will not deny that Adam named the animals brought to him will you? Neither will you deny that Adam heard and knew God's command not to eat the fruit.

And if he was testing man's ability to make choices, why punish him gravely for a first mistake? After all your post seem to suggest that man was still learning how to make choices.

A mere command not to 'eat' while God knew Adam had a subtle creature nearby.

At times it seems you are blaming God for the events. Why punish him? Why a simple command with a deceiver around? If you believe that Adam was incapable of making a choice then God is wicked abi?

hifaif:

He did the alien task of naming all the animals but couldn't sew a cloth for himself and his wife. What can you say about that, sir?

Are you guys even reading my posts at all? I already said unclothedness was nothing to Adam and Eve before the fall so why will he sew a cloth?

plaetton:

How can Adam be said to have full reasoning capacity when he clearly did not not have the capacity to discern good and evil, much in the same way as toddlers?

Adam was capable of naming the animals, was capable of recognizing Eve as being made from his own bones yet you would say he could not understand that God didn't want him to eat the fruit? Or that the consequence already stated was dire?

careytommy:
Na wa o. Na God sew dey cloth na
Gen 3:21

Genesis 3
7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.