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Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by bigfrancis21: 11:37pm On Oct 12, 2014 |
InyinyaAgbaOku: The same storyline that sold Jenifa. And the Igbo dialect chosen was best for the story and plot. It's that simple. Not the pecularity of the dialect itself. |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by InyinyaAgbaOku(m): 5:00am On Oct 13, 2014 |
bigfrancis21: this has nothing to do with jenifa. how many of us knew the film? if not for nl, those that knew would not have ..... In your imaginations, mbano ppl are supposed to be uncivilized? clap for your self. Queen nwokoye complained in an interview that the movie did not feature in African magic cos they were told it lacked content, that is true, though I think it should still be incorporated. If that movie was made in anambra dialect, it won't go far. just listen to the words people make while remembering the movie . Ada abakiliki was another movie which the abakiliki dialect sold. Francis, go and ask, imo dialects are the most spectacular of Igbo dialects. Is it not the same anambra dialect that amaechi muonagor always speaks? If he were nit a good actor, who was paying attention to his dialect? 1 Like |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by bigfrancis21: 12:32pm On Oct 13, 2014 |
InyinyaAgbaOku: @bold1...I think you just killed your own point. Despite the 'spectacular' of the dialect as you would have us believe, the movie still did not make it to African Magic. On the other hand, several other Igbo movies are making it to AM. @bold2...if Ada Abakaliki and Nkoli nwa Nsukka would sell in the same vein as Ada Mbano...what does that tell you? Does that leave only Imo dialects, as you propose, as spectacular? You've awfully failed to realize that it is basically the same storyline running through Ada Mbano, Ada Abakaliki and Nkoli Nwa Nsukka, all the same but told in 3 different Igbo dialects. If Nkoli nwa Nsukka and Ada Abakaliki, having the same storyline as Ada Mbano, could sell with the same fervour as the latter, that simply means Imo dialects are not exclusive in spectacular. If spectacular was exclusive to Imo dialects as you propose, then we wouldn't expect Ada Abakaliki and Nkoli nwa Nsukka to sell in the same light. It is basically the same story told but in different dialects. Realize this, it is the unique combination of the storyline and dialect fit for the storyline that makes the movies sell. The dialects were chosen for they fit the storyline in that regard. Not also forgetting the dexterity of the lead actress, Queen Nwokoye, in Ada Mbano that gave the movie a complete tripod balance. I never said anywhere that Mbano people were uncivilized, neither did I imply that anywhere. I was simply referring to the storyline of the movie. Whatever you make out of the statement is at your own choice. |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by InyinyaAgbaOku(m): 2:51pm On Oct 13, 2014 |
bigfrancis21: Ada mbano sold better than all of them . Thank you. |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by Ihuomadinihu: 8:22pm On Oct 19, 2014 |
Well,this has been going on for sometime but i think it has there snice pre colonial days. I will submit my personal views. Firstly,Anambra is geographically located close to River Niger - a commercial/trade center snice precolonial days. This area serves as a trade zone for Igbos,Benin and Igalas. In essence, Anambra interacted with merchants and imported exotic wares into igboland. It is on record that Christanity first crept into Igboland through Onitsha in 1857 before spreading to all corners of igboland. Anambras had firsthand interaction with white missionary/colonialist,and some of the earliest industries,colonial offices and schools was established in this area. Methodist college in Uzuakoli,Abia was established before DMGS Onitsha but Anambras grabbed their opportunities on time because of their exposure. Secondly, Nri Anambra falsly claim to be igbo forerunners,while we all know that the modern Igbo Nation is quite heterogenous. Onitsha for example is an Anioma town,a blend of Igbo,Igala and Benin. Oguta is equally anioma. I believe Onitsha is the lightest igbo dialect in Anambra. Thirdly,Anambra dialect is just like every other igbo dialect. It is on record that an unfamiliar dialect sound exotic to others. I am Southern Igbo but am always curious when i listen to Northern Igbo accents. On the other way round,when i travel to Norther Igboland, folks there would also be curious and excited when i speak my dialect. Have you seen British people react to American English yo,wanna,gonna...lol? So its a two way thing,strange accents sound exotic, it does not mean that Anambra dialect is better or sweeter. Personally,i don't really like it. Early Nollywood Igbo was centered on Anambra dialect,no doubt. Most of those producers and key actors were more conversant with Anambra dialects ,e.g Rita Nzelu, Amaka Igwe, Osuofia, Pete Edochie, Ndidi Obi,Francis Agu, Bob manuel Udokwu etc. No dialect is easy,the more you get exposed to a dialect,the more familiar it becomes. I think it is a veiled form of inferiority complex,when someone speaks to you in his dialect and you don't respond in your dialect. That is the purpose of Igbo izugbe,when communication is difficult you respond use central Igbo. I can't imagine responding in another dialect unless it's for eye service,price bargain or compromise. On Attitude and Character, Anambras have this sweet enterprenuer spirit and are very smart in business. They have produced great Igbo/Nigerian figures owing to their smartness and eagerness to do well. But this is not an isolated case. All Igbo states have produced great men and women that have contributed positively to Nigeria. |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by Ihuomadinihu: 9:36pm On Oct 19, 2014 |
Interstate relationship: I believe all Igbo states are comfortable with each other. However,when it comes to marriage, Anambra folks would frown at non Anambra suitors or relationships. Anambra would want to marry Anambra or Enugu but will not want to step outside their comfort zone. On the other hand,the other states are more than willing to marry from other states. I noticed Anambra are more comfortable with Benin folks. It actually untrue that Southern Igbos girls desire Anambra men cos of this preconceived aloofness. Southern Girls tend to marry other Southerners. No girl is ready to endure 'my people are superior attitude or my dialect is superior'. Lol. Anambra probably have more Industrialist and renowed business men...Nice one. Imo probably have more scholars and hospitality areas. Abia,Anioma and Ebonyi probably have more tourist and Agricultural zones. Enugu is probably the poshest and coolest place to live in. But this is what makes us a great Igbo race so i wonder who is better or more classy.... After all said and done,we are the same people with the same purpose. |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by Ihuomadinihu: 10:02pm On Oct 19, 2014 |
P.s, There is nothing like posh Igbo dialect. I have listened to some Anambra dialect and its just as thick as any other Igbo dialect. I read a transcript of Chinua Achebe's speech translated in his native idemili dialect,and it was thick. What is actually posh is the Northern Central dialect used in Anambra,Enugu and Asaba,which was used in Nneka the pretty serpent etc, and Southern Central Igbo used in Abia,Imo,Ebonyi to an extent in Port Harcourt and used in numerous nollywood movies. You need to speak one of the two if you want to find your way round Igboland. So lets stop this Anambra is posh or sweeter than all Igbo dialects. On Royalty,yes Anambra are people that are inclined to reverence royalty in Igboland cos of their royalty status of yester-years. There are only three Kingdoms in Igboland, Nri Kingdom, Aro and Agbor kingdom. The rest are largely republican. Does the absence of kingship make one inferior? That was the mistake white colonialist made with Igbos because they had no large political unit like Hausa and Fulani. All Igbo states are special and they should feel good and walk with prestige without rubbing in any form of vain preconceived superiority. 1 Like |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by pazienza(m): 1:57am On Oct 20, 2014 |
Idemili dialect is the lightest dialect in Anambra, infact, the Igbo spoken in the streets of onitsha that you people call onitsha Igbo, is actually the Idemili dialect of Obosi,Nkpor and Ogidi. The Onitsha dialect spoken by onitsha people in their villages is quite different from the Idemili dialect used in Onitsha township. |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by Ihuomadinihu: 7:48am On Oct 20, 2014 |
@Pazienza, Thanks,i never knew that Idemili dialect was widely used in Onitsha and environs. Anyway, Anambra dialect was not originally regarded as posh and mutually intelligible according to history stated below: Early colonialist and Missonaries first settled in Onitsha/Agbor region. Notable mentions like Dr. Wards, Samuel Crowther, Archeacon Dennis and William Baikie(Bekee) etc, first settled in this region. For effective administation,these missionaries tried to learn and write Igbo language. Samuel Crowther also tried to write some Igbo words. The notable igbo dialect was the Isuama dialect which was commonly used by Igbo slaves in America and freed slaves of Igbo descent. But this dialect was not totally intelligible, so they shifted their attention to Union Igbo. Union Igbo was made up of Arochukwu, Uwana ,Onitsha and Owerri dialect but it was not widely accepted too. When Christainty and education began to spread, they felt it was time to adopt a specific dialect. So they sent Dennis to look for that specific dialect. In the course of his researsh, Dennis suggested that Owerri dialect had the purest Igbo dialect. So Dennis began to reconstruct Igbo orthography,replacing /s/ with owerri /shi/, most people did not like the new orthography so the struggled continued. It is also important to state that Pita Nwana published the first Igbo fiction in 1933. In 1939, a research commitee was established to search for the best dialect that will be suitable as a medium of literary instruction. Dr Wards was commissioned for this assignment,her research covered Owerri and Umuahia areas with specific inclination towards Ohuhu dialect. This was widely accepted by missionaries,writers,publishers and Cambridge University. The standard Igbo dialect was now formed by writing the Central Igbo dialect with the previous orthography. In 1944, the Anglican church struct to Dr.Wards version,the Catholics insisted on Onitsha version and Methodist embraced central dialect(standard). Subsequently,the Ministry of Education in 1944 decided to embrace the central dialect for literary purposes. The First Department of Igbo Language was established in Anambra State College of Education at Awka. |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by Ihuomadinihu: 8:48am On Oct 20, 2014 |
From that brief history above,it is imperative to state that the dialect with wide acceptance is the simplest,mutually intelligible and posh Igbo dialect. But Owerri,Ezinihite and Umuahia people don't shout or struggle to tell us that their dialects form the buck of Igbo Izugbe. The written Igbo dialect is the standard central version,in nollywood, actors are entitled to speak NCI or SCI. So it is superficial to state that a particular non widely accepted dialect is the 'poshest and sweetest. Most Historians intially covered Anambra history and used it as a model or measurement of Igbo culture,without remembering that culture is not homogenous. The early colonialist and historians found it diifcult to embark on expeditions in other areas of Igboland. I would like to commend Anambras for grabbing their opportunities on time, but it's insultive and corny to state you are more special or posses a better dialect/character in the entire Igboland. |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by pazienza(m): 9:23am On Oct 20, 2014 |
In the end,every Igbo tribe prefers it's own dialect, to anyother dialect. 1 Like |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by OdenigboAroli(m): 6:43pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
bigfrancis21: Some of the things this guy said is true but I dont expect everybody to like it. Yes,Anambra dialect is posh and smooth and yes the most sacred Offor Igbo is in Anambra and yes Anambra culture is more influential. But Anambra is not superior to any other Igbo! 1 Like |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by OdenigboAroli(m): 6:50pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
InyinyaAgbaOku: Not exactly.....Even not a chance,nigga! You definitely dont know Igbo culture.....Infact,take Anambra out of Igbo map and the Igbo has no culture....I am not trying to ridicule anybody but do your homework. |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by OdenigboAroli(m): 7:05pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
pazienza: Ide nnaa,ogini ka ina ekwu ifea?? What is spoken in Onicha streets is a combination of Idenmili and Onicha dialect. But only us from that axis can decipher who is Idenmili and who is Onicha. Infact,Obosi and Onicha speak near identical Igbo....yea,that sweet and smooth flow...lol |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by InyinyaAgbaOku(m): 7:05pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
OdenigboAroli: dressing: the Igbo pathognomonic black patterned suede top upon plain trouser,/wrapper with the white/black/red stripped woolen hat is from abia/imo axis. Akwete is an indigenous fabric of igbos used in igbo ceremonies and nollywood movies . Address: The word mazi is from abia/imo axis Central Igbo: was formed from abia dialects. Cultural heritage: I usually envy the abia stock for cultural preservation. if a USA born child speaks Igbo, high chances his father is from abia. There is no evidence to your 'No anambra no Igbo culture'. Or do we talk of traditional dance steps? Though anambra has the atilogwu dance.... 2 Likes |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by OdenigboAroli(m): 7:09pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
Anybody who say Anambra Igbo nodey sweet is just hating....because the "L" and "F" factor makes it so easy to speak. I have heard people say the Anambra lect is very smooth. Its even easier to rap with...hehe |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by OdenigboAroli(m): 7:13pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
InyinyaAgbaOku: Nwokem,open your international passport and tell me what you see there...lol Again,eke,oye,afor na nkwo na your papa invent them. Igbo months of the year nko ? The famous Igbo red hat nko...the one every ddick and tom is wearing nowadays without even knowing you need to have an Ozo title to wear it. Ikenga nko ? |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by InyinyaAgbaOku(m): 7:14pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
Ihuomadinihu: thanks. What they speak in nollywood is central Igbo, contrary to what somebody wanted me to believe. With the most actors being from imo, and the likes of patience ozokwo, Mr Ibu, chinwetalu agu, osuofia, etc being from Enugu, how does nollywood use anambra dialect exactly? 1 Like |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by InyinyaAgbaOku(m): 7:17pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
OdenigboAroli: in central Igbo, its orie. you see why I said central Igbo wasn't derived from anambra? Red hat is for titled men but you chose to wave away the other things I mentioned. Just wanted you to know your own assertions are wrong. 1 Like |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by OdenigboAroli(m): 7:20pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
The Igbo Izugbe was a collection of different dialects. The woolen hat is not an official Igbo attire. I am not familiar with rest of the stuff you mentioned. Check the back of your onld five naira note and tell me what you see there....lol Ofala/Ovala and Ufiejioku/new yam festival is the most recognized Igbo culture i. nigeria and it all originated from Anambra people. Nze na Ozo,Igba Odu/Ivory women and Igu Aro/marking the year calender all originated from Anambra. |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by OdenigboAroli(m): 7:23pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
InyinyaAgbaOku: I never said central Igbo was based on Anambra Igbo...It was a manufactured Igbo introduced by the colonialists. But the Igbo days of the week originated from Nri. When you open your international passport you will see the IJELE masquerade standing tall...Its an Omanbala invention. |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by OdenigboAroli(m): 7:28pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
InyinyaAgbaOku: Holywood started from the days of Things fall apart,Living in Bondage,Taboo and Nneka the Pretty serpent...these movies were acted in Anambra Igbo. They dont have to be from Anambra to speak the dialect,nwokem. The influence is nationwide. You are not English but you speak and write in it...I hope I am making sense. Rita Nzelu,Pete Edochie,Bob Manuel are Anambrarians. |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by InyinyaAgbaOku(m): 7:38pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
OdenigboAroli: central Igbo is what they speak in nollywood, better still, each person speaks his or her own version. most nollywood people are from imo, I never said anambra people are not there 1 Like |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by Ihuomadinihu: 9:03pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
Well,like i said early Igbo actors were Northern Igbos. Look at the names of these actors and google their states of Origin. Nkem Owoh, Chinyere Wilfred, Pete Edochie, Dolly Unachukwu, Francis Agu, Amaka Igwe, Ndidi Obi, Ngozi Ezeonu, Bob Manuel, Amaechi Munagor, Ego Boyo,Rita Nzelu. The non Northern Igbo actors like Genevive, Aki and Pawpaw, James Iroha, Emeka Ike, Mike Ezuruonye, Sandra Achums,Chinyere Nwabueze etc never spoke NCI in movies. The influence of both NCI and SCI stops within its boundaries,unless you want to speak any of them. Nobody speaks Anambra dialect in nollywood unless he is a native and influenced by it. I have explained this issue before. What we call Igbo izugbe,is an amalgamation of Southern(Central) dialect,and that is the most recognised and widely used dialect in Igboland. Nobody is degrading Anambra dialect but there is nothing that makes it more special than over 40 dialects of Igboland. Let us refrain from making Supremacist comments,you are only washing your dirty linens in public. I believe Igbos have better issues that require immediate attention. About cultural heritage,how do you define Official or National Igbo attire. So if one chief Chinedu wears his village attire,it becomes less igbo cos it does not fit your idea of National attire? Take a look at some items that form Igbo attire: George wrapper, Akwaete, Ukara cloth, Woolen cap, Trouser, Red cap, waist beads, coral beads, blouse, Akwa ishi agu etc. What is Igbo attire when Igbo culture is heterogenous? There are different Igbo gods, from Anambra to Imo and they were all embraced by all pre colonial Igbo folks. That the mmanu is on the passport does not mean that it's the only recognised Igbo mmanu. Why do people indulge in selective reasoning? Culturally,Anambra starts and ends in Northern Igboland. This supremacist stuff escalated when early missionaries and igbo researchers tried to impose Nri hegemony on Igbo culture cos that was the first culture they encountered. Do y'all think believe you will be talking about Nri,if the researchers decided to initially explore Afikpo, Ohafia or Nkwerre culture? Pls,lets be civil here! 1 Like |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by bigfrancis21: 10:39pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
OdenigboAroli: Odenigbo nwa Idemmili! A fu nwa e lota nnia! Kee ka I mee? |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by bigfrancis21: 10:41pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
InyinyaAgbaOku: Are you sure you watch Nollywood movies? Or you prefer to dwell in fantasies created by you? |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by bigfrancis21: 10:42pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
InyinyaAgbaOku: It's clear you don't watch Nollywood Igbo. It's of no use proving the opposite point to you since you prefer disillusionment to reality. |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by bigfrancis21: 10:48pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
Ihuomadinihu: InyinyaAgbaOku: What of isi, bu, ofe, osisi, kedu etc used in Central Igbo that are of Northern Igbo origin? The sentence structure of Central Igbo is Northern derived and much of the vocabulary is southern derived, with flushes of Onicha Igbo here and there. Before current Central Igbo, other central Igbo dialects had been formed, for example the Union Igbo which was abakaliki-influenced. i.e o diwo mma (that's Union Igbo). Pre-civil war there was heavy debate about which Igbo dialect to officially adopt to unite Igbos. Several dialects were proposed, no agreements were reached. Central Igbo as you have it today was the last proposal to be made before the civil war. It was not until after the Civil war, the federal Government headed by Gowon made Igbo one of Nigeria's 3 Official languages and adopted Central Igbo as the standardized dialect for the language. The Igbos then couldn't care less about the dialect adopted as they were recovering from the debilitating effects of the civil war. They were more concerned about recovering economically than resuming the on-going debate over which dialect to choose for official orthography. Central Igbo = Northern Igbo lexical structure + Southern Igbo vocabulary. For example, Northern Igbos would say: Emeka na-abia ebe a taata izu afia, Owerri/Aba would say: Emeka biaga nga taa izu ahnia(with nasal pronunciation). Central Igbo: Emeka na-abia ebe a taa/taata izu ahia. NI: Ife afu o na-eme adiro mma. Si ya kwusi kita. Owerri Igbo: Ihe ahu o mega arii mma. Shi nwo kwushi ugbu u. Central Igbo: Ihe ahu o na-eme a dighi mma. Si ya kwusi ugbu a. A close look at the central Igbo renderings would quickly tell you that it's sentence structures are based on Northern Igbo and vocabulary from southern Igbo. Don't twist it to make it sound like it tilts towards one angle. Of course, the way the typical Owerri or Ngwa man speaks is entirely different from Central Igbo. |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by Ihuomadinihu: 10:54pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
bigfrancis21:What are you actually trying to prove? Igbo nollywood movies make use of Central Igbo dialects,however, actors speak the dialects that are familiar to them. Ngozi Ezeonu speaks Anambra, Ogechi Obilionu speaks proper Owerri dialect,etc. What is this superior complex about?? |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by Ihuomadinihu: 10:57pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
bigfrancis21:Who was the Imo man? |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by bigfrancis21: 11:01pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
Ihuomadinihu: S.E Onwu who brought about the Onwu Orthography of writing and spelling Igbo language. Anybody who did Igbo in secondary school should know this. Much thanks to his works else Igbo language would have been left without a standard orthography. |
Re: Igbos Attention Needed Here For Enlightenment .... by bigfrancis21: 11:05pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
Ihuomadinihu: Northern Igbo: Osisi afu bu nke e ji esi nni. Southern Igbo: Oshishi ahu wu ke e ji eshiga nri. Central Igbo: Osisi ahu bu nke e ji esi nri. How does Central Igbo tilt towards southern Igbo as you would have us believe? |
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