carefreewannabe:


I see, it bothers you.

@bold
Thousands of women marry in their late 30s and their 40s and even later in the West. ;

TV01:

Your main problem is that you see everything that seemingly increases women' choices as great and every purported advance as progress. Mainly because you view things from through a narrow perspective as opposed to a considered whole.

1. At what point, and why, would a woman need to consider freezing her eggs? (and I don't mean exceptions like illness etc - this is being sold as an everyday employment perk).

2. What is the pursuit or endevor, that would be considered a higher priority than, and worth missing a womans optimal pregnancy/birth window for?

3. As suggested, why can companies not work alongside this natural window with better mat/pat benefits, rather than subliminally put pressure on them to prioritise work?

Who said thousands of women of any age don't marry in the West. East sef pah-pah ! Like the hordes of single and frustrasted, unmarried and bitter women on NL, they are also legion in the West. Keep selling yourself and others fairytales.

Like Coogar said, the capitalistic machine is just making it easier and putting more pressure on woman to sacrifice their lives for it. Your choice.


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moca:

Ok, maybe i didnt digest it well but my anger was how u guys jumped to condemn d act.
Here used to be fun. Lots of people have left bc of this my group their group thing i see here.

Everybody used to hv one voice,even if u r against a post u state it and not attacking d poster.

Sincerely speaking, its no longer fun here. Even people hardly bring up issues here cos of attack.

We need to change. Nobody(except few) knew anybody here and so why cant all be friends and argue constructively most times?

I thought we are all adults.

But i hear u o

carefreewannabe:
And your problem is that you are scared of anything that increases chances for women. I know, I know, it's not easy to lose control.

carefreewannabe:
Now that women marry in their late 30s, 40s and even later and that menopause is no longer a problem, you will have to deal with the fact that playing the age card is no longer a scare tactic that you can use.

TV01:

Au contraire - your problem is that anything packaged as advance for women is swallowed hook line and sinker without the merest scrutiny.

Do you know that there is barely a 15% success rate with frozen eggs? Or that it may take many cycles of IVF to concieve. And the cost is high and the success rate low?

Early birth is still better for mother, child and society. All this does is pressure women into putting of what they want from an optimal time for them to one that optimises their usefulness (and decreases their cost) to the company.

Putting off having children - even if IVF were 100% perfect - still loses sight of the fact that making you best match is also reduced by sacrificing your time to the company


Again you errr and do women a grave injustice and mislead? Menopause is a present reality and early menopause can occur from 32.

Even if children were not a consideration - and they often are - being older does not increase you chances of making a good match. Neither are a womans chances maintained the older or corporately/financially more successful you are.

The obvioous solution here is to ask for better maternity/paternity conditions to really give families the flexibility and choice that's best for them and society. It's a shame that you cannot see beyond your ideological mantras or at least consider them in an unbiased fashion.

CafreeWannabee says: "Sisters, spend your best years slaving for the corporate machine, freeze your eggs and marry in your forties. You'll still match the best husbands and have lots of fine children".


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carefreewannabe:


Do women over 40 have healthier babies? New research shows babies born to older mothers are less likely to be in and out of hospital

Researchers from Birkbeck University of London and University College London found kids of older mums were less likely to injure themselves
And nearly a third less likely to be admitted to hospital by the age of three
The number of women over the age of 40 having a baby has increased more than fourfold in the last 30 years
Gwen Stefani, Halle Berry and Uma Thurman have all had babies in their 40s

(...)

Researchers assessed children of women older than 40 and compared them with those born to younger mothers in their twenties.
While they might tire their mothers out and be harder to catch – the research suggests children born to mothers over 40 are healthier.


The study concluded that children of older mothers were 22 percent less likely to accidentally injure themselves and nearly a third less likely to be admitted to hospital by the age of three.
The offspring of older women are also more likely to have better emotional well-being as the likelihood of conflict between parent and child was found to decrease as the maternal age increased.
And language development by the ages of three and four was also better for the children of older mothers.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2713937/Do-women-40-healthier-babies-New-research-shows-babies-born-older-mothers-likely-hospital.html#ixzz3GJ2eM9k9
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She said: ‘It has demonstrated that, while there are many medical reasons why close attention should be given to the physical well-being of older mothers and their infants both during pregnancy and immediately after birth, an increase in older motherhood should not necessarily be a cause for concern in relation to subsequent parenting.

TV01:


Nice gif !

But you are now resorting to slight of hand.

Women over 40 are do not give birth to "healthier" babies. All this is "possibly suggesting" is that they may have more rsource/time to "take care of them". And it's just a suggestion. Further, the cohort of women having children in their 40's is still relatively minor.

You are going to have to try harder. You get praise for gifs, but no points !


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coogar:
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i know what age i would rather have.

carefreewannabe:


You will have very intelligent babies with your ghetto chick.

Learn to provide a source uneducated boy.

carefreewannabe:


One in 25 babies born to over-40s
Number of women over 40 having a baby has risen fourfold in 30 years, and average age of first-time mother now 28.1

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/oct/15/women-over-age-40-babies

carefreewannabe:

“Where there are no tangible medical complications of pregnancy, the risks of childbirth in older women are no greater than in younger women” … Editorial, British Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology

carefreewannabe:

Being an older mum is nothing new. Historically women would spread their births over many years. During the late 19th century, a woman might become a grandmother by the time her younger children were born. In the 1920s, the average age a woman had her last child was 42.

carefreewannabe:

Over the last two decades, increasing amounts of women have had babies over the age of 35. Figures from the Office for National Statistics show year upon year increase in fertility and birth rates for this age group. The over-35’s now have the fastest growing birthrates while the number of women having babies in their 40’s have nearly doubled in ten years. Statistics show that in 2010, 27,000 babies were born to women over 40 compared with 9,336 in 1989. In fact around one in five women is 35 or older when she gives birth.

carefreewannabe:

Older mums tend to be better educated, more financially stable, confident and settled in themselves. They have the emotional maturity and life experience that translates well to motherhood. They are more likely to *breast feed and breast feed for longer which helps protect against post natal depression. (*this is no judgement on bottle feeding).

carefreewannabe:

Medical research and subsequent media articles tend to focus negatively on the age related fertility risks and other health complications of delaying pregnancy. Often the underlying messages are that women should drop everything and have a baby before she hits 35 in order to avoid later infertility. If only life was that simple. But it isn’t. It isn’t necessarily the case that women ‘put off’ having children but that their life circumstances influence the best time to start a family.

carefreewannabe:

There are well documented mothers who have become pregnant successfully after the age of 50 (and after menopause). Based on ethical opinion, different countries set different age limits on allowing post menopausal women to conceive via fertility treatment.

The point is that older women DO conceive (whether naturally or via medical treatment) and enjoy healthy pregnancies. Having a baby later in life is a gift and should be embraced.

Famous older mum’s include Nicole Kidman (Sunday Rose at 41), Halle Berry (Nahla at 41), Madonna (Rocco at 41), Marcia Cross (twin girls at 44), Jane Seymore (twins at 44), Cherie Blair (Leo at 45) , Susan Sarandon (Miles Guthrie at 45) and Holly Hunter (twin boys at 47).
http://oldermum.co.uk

TV01:

4% or so?



"Where there are no medical complications of pregnancy - more likely in older women - this just talks about the actual delivery"

It's not about simply being an older mum - having your last child older - it's about waiting till you are old to actually have children - OP?


As above.

However, if the trend continues for first-time mothers, society suffers as they fall below replacement birthrate, which is now a major problem in Japan and an issue in most Europena coutries - including Germany. Hence the need for mass immigration - which they ironically don't really like - but na CFW' lucky be dat .


Same again, the issue/problem is with first time older mums - and this says nothing about the issues and costs of concieving or the risks and complications of older preganacy for first timers.


Utter tosh, their ages dictate the best time to start a family and understanding cultures make this imperative key to their marriage tradition. "Life Circumstances" only dictate where due consideration is not given to ensuring marriage and childbirth happen at the optimal time.


No one is against "older mums" per se, just noting the iplications for older first-time births for mothers, babies and society.

CarefreeWannabee. Are you now so devoid of insight and a grasp of the issues that your only retort is to C&P. And to do so with "off-point" content. Please try harder !


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zeb04:
Fighting and insulting our parents to make a point means we are classless and do not have respect.

pickabeau1:


lol

When coogar's mum was insulted.. you said nothing
When he returns the favour.. ..you make a generic statement

interesting

MizMyColi:
Okay, I don't know much about gender equality and honestly, I could care less.

But from what I've just read up there, bar the OP's personal opinion:
I have to point this out that, that perk has very greedy and selfish underlying motives.

I know some people will allude/agree to this, but tbh, if this practice is adopted by the majority, a time will come when it'll become a social trend to not have a child until you're forty, a time will come when the idea of marriage would be utterly useless, where working class women will look down on other working class women who have chosen to give priority to both their work and husband/family as "less".

Honestly?
I fear for this kind of future.

Call me old-fashioned, IDC.

But then, in our pursuit of life's vanities, let's not forget the things that matter most, let's not relegate them to the background where they may never see the light of day.

Oxone:

There you go making assumptions about the companies motives. When would people begin to understand that its a choice and not an obligation. The companies are offering those perks to those who are interested and nothing more. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything.

Frankly I'm tired of people who believe that the same thing should matter the most to everyone. People are different and so are their needs and believe of what's important. hard as it might seem, Not everyone wants to be married and certainly not everyone wants kids but trust society to see people who don't tow their idea of "important" as Pariah.

The fact that you're more bothered about it becoming a trend says a lot about you and there's absolutely nothing wrong with having a child at 40 or after. Their life, their choice & Like I'll always say, To Each his own. Whatever makes them happy

My point exactly.
Ooopss, I should have added that in my first post
My bad