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Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by Deltagiant: 4:11pm On Nov 01, 2014 |
bigfrancis21: I believe the ‘Igbo’ tag was wide spread before the advent of slavery than you wanna make me believe. How do we explain the towns of Akwukwu-Igbo and Igbo-uzo in the western Igbo heartland? These towns were founded way before the whites came for slaves. What were the founders actually trying to project with the ‘Igbo’ prefix? Then, In the Northern Igbo territory, Agulu- Uzoigbo, Igboukwu (Igbo-nkwo), Igboetiti, Igbokenyi etc.. In the south: Umuakuruigbo(etche), Amaigbo, Igbo-etche and so on. Adding to this strong cultural identity were personal names such as Igboanugo, Afigbo, Okigbo, Onuigbo, Odenigbo, Igboka, Igbokwe and so on. These names, I believe, will pass any historical enquiry that they existed before the trouble periods of slavery and colonization. Yes, the slaves might not have identified themselves as coming from an ‘Igbo’ ethnic group. They chose their clans/towns instead. But, that said, it is unlikely they did not know they spoke a language mutually intelligible called Igbo. These are two different things. Afterall, the white man defined an ethnic group for us….and all what that entails. So, nwannem, Igbo aburo ife tata, odi gboo gboo! 1 Like |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by bigfrancis21: 6:13pm On Nov 01, 2014 |
adusim: What has my post got to do with Nri-Igbo origin you're taking about? You mentioned NI rejecting the Igbo tag, the issue I directly addressed and you instead brought up an entirely different topic altogether. Nri begat Idemili, which begat Awo Idemili that begat Awo Omamma. Almighty Nri, begetting clans since 1050AD! |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by bigfrancis21: 6:21pm On Nov 01, 2014 |
Deltagiant: Nice point you have there, showing the widespread use of 'Igbo' in town names in NI and WI. The 'Igbo' tag might have been in town names but the widespread ethnic acceptance of 'Igbo' is what seems arguable. Igbo clans hardly saw themselves collectively as the same people called 'Igbo' but rather identified themselves by their village name. The collective Igbo ethnic consciousness as we have now was not obtainable then. This is what Adusym was referring to when he mentioned that NI clans rejected the Igbo tag, leaving only the south to it. And I tried explaining to him that the collective Igbo consciousness was not equally in the south as well. An example of which I gave him using Igbo slaves from the south who didn't see themselves as one or 'Igbo' until they got to the Americas. |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by adusim: 12:04pm On Nov 02, 2014 |
bigfrancis21: My friend, look for you kin folk elsewhere. Idemili in Anambra has nothing whatsoever to do with Awo Idemili. 2 Likes |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by proudlybia: 9:52pm On Dec 11, 2015 |
hahahaha bro iwe na ewekwa gi adusim: |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by MansaPiye: 9:57pm On Feb 13, 2016 |
Will you shut up! Igbos will never give respect and credit where it is due just so they can put their own village or clan above others. Please let another Eze or Igwe go and break kola nut when it is presented to Igbos in the presence of Eze Nri. Aro stool is only 500 years! Our people recognize Okpala/okpara and there's no way you can leave a 1000 year old stool and pass the kola to anyone else, are you stupid?! Are you following Omenani or omenaenu? Don't you know the reason the Oba of Benin sent his son to Isele Ukwu?! Read isselu ukwu history and you'll know it was an attempt to stop Nri influence at his doorstep! The Igbos in western Igboland came from Isu and Nri. Hear someone who was actually there at the time! The Nri were interested in keeping the peace which is why they weren't in the business of abusing people. Ana Nri is a holy land that all ancient Igbos knew about which is why they ran to Nri for safety during the slave trade. Let's respect ourselves and stop embrassing ourselves all the time while other groups are uniting. The Aros were abusing their power as priests and were terrorising people! The Nri kingdom banned that evil slave trade that Aro people were engaged in. “Nri or Nshi” - evidently the same place, but a different pronunciation of it is a town, which is situated about forty miles to the east, i.e. behind Onitsha… the inhabitants of this particular town are known as “king makers”, in other words, they possess the sole prerogative of conferring the title of royalty in all the Ibo country… they also, it appears, enjoy the privilege of walking untouched and unharmed through any portion of the same… so the Nri family, for the same scared reason, are not only the progenitor but also the priests of the whole Ibo race, as such, high priest, taking precedence over all other fraternities, priestly, social and political.” - The lower Niger and It’s tribes by Major A. G. Leonard (1890 -1906), a Cambridge scholar of comparative religion. Published in 1906 after spending 10 years studying Igbo land. 1 Like |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by MansaPiye: 10:00pm On Feb 13, 2016 |
“Nri or Nshi” - evidently the same place, but a different pronunciation of it is a town, which is situated about forty miles to the east, i.e. behind Onitsha… the inhabitants of this particular town are known as “king makers”, in other words, they possess the sole prerogative of conferring the title of royalty in all the Ibo country… they also, it appears, enjoy the privilege of walking untouched and unharmed through any portion of the same… so the Nri family, for the same scared reason, are not only the progenitor but also the priests of the whole Ibo race, as such, high priest, taking precedence over all other fraternities, priestly, social and political.” - The lower Niger and It’s tribes by Major A. G. Leonard (1890 -1906), a Cambridge scholar of comparative religion. Published in 1906 after spending 10 years studying Igbo land. |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by ChinenyeN(m): 10:08pm On Feb 13, 2016 |
And another otimkpu Nri stumbles his/her way into this thread. Just lia. 2 Likes |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by MansaPiye: 11:07pm On Feb 13, 2016 |
“Nri or Nshi” - evidently the same place, but a different pronunciation of it is a town, which is situated about forty miles to the east, i.e. behind Onitsha… the inhabitants of this particular town are known as “king makers”, in other words, they possess the sole prerogative of conferring the title of royalty in all the Ibo country… they also, it appears, enjoy the privilege of walking untouched and unharmed through any portion of the same… so the Nri family, for the same scared reason, are not only the progenitor but also the priests of the whole Ibo race, as such, high priest, taking precedence over all other fraternities, priestly, social and political.” - The lower Niger and It’s tribes by Major A. G. Leonard (1890 -1906), a Cambridge scholar of comparative religion. Published in 1906 after spending 10 years studying Igbo land. When the Igbo farm village in America was dedicated, Ohanaeze Ndi Igbo were contacted and they presented Eze Nri to represent Igbos. There's no superiority contest, it's just Omenani. Igbo Kwenu!
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Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by UtuhMbadike1: 11:28pm On Nov 27, 2016 |
adusim: The Nri noise-makers are indeed relentless. For they were here, too. Adusim is a true son of his father; obviously an aborigine whose Awo Omamma ancestors migrated from the Ancient Kingdom of Awo-Idemmili. The original name was in fact “Awo-Edemiri”, until the recent switch to Awo-Idemmili, and it has nothing linking it to Anambra’s Idemmili. Awo-Edemiri/Awo-Idemmili is right in the heart of the aboriginal Orsu people, a tribe which, along with the Isu and the other Orlu/Amaigbo tribes, forms the purest/original Igbo kind. It’s no surprise that Adusim was quick to distance himself from Nri immigrants, employing these very conscious words: “My friend, look for your kinfolk elsewhere. Idemili in Anambra has nothing whatsoever to do with Awo-Idemili ... keep quiet ... Fact is, you people are not originally Igbo ... Nri are an offshoot of Igala ... We in Orlu have Amaigbo, which is rich with culture and is our ancestral origin. My people, Awo Omamma, migrated from Awo-Idemili, which is in the same Orlu area. We have no knowledge of any place in your area and laugh amongst ourselves when pretenders who are not even real Igbos assume the cloak of originators!” But what do Nri noise-makers know? I didn’t expect them to be aware of truly ancient and aboriginal Igbo kingdoms such as “The Ancient Kingdom of Awo-Edemiri”. For they have been lied to by their own people, and made to believe that it was through their arrival from Igala-land that the Igbo received civilisation and culture. Smh. Talk about the very height of madness. A person had commented thusly: “When the Igbo farm village in America was dedicated, Ohanaeze Ndi Igbo were contacted and they presented Eze Nri to represent Igbos. There’s no superiority contest, it’s just Omenani.” To which I say: It is called “the power of branding”. Anambra happens to have the strongest brand among all Igbo States—and it’s thanks to the monetary clout of the lower half of Anambra. It has nothing, and I repeat—nothing—to do with the independent influence of the Nri and their king. A hypothetical Igbo State encompassing southern Anambra and northern Imo would bring together the closely related aboriginal Igbo tribes currently divided by the superficial State line. Such a State creation would equally bring together the two wealthiest halves of the two wealthiest Igbo States—forming an indomitable super State, that is. Above all else, it would silence the Nri noise-makers and force them to turn northward, toward their kin in Igala, Delta and Bini. If you happen upon this post, Adusim, see what I told them here: https://www.nairaland.com/1491012/ndigbo-integrated-eri-nri-brother/4#51433040 |
Re: Arochukwu Disobedience. by bigfrancis21: 11:58pm On Nov 27, 2016 |
MansaPiye: This is very true. The Aros were well into slavery and the Nri were peacemakers. Nri kingdom started as early as the 900s. Arochukwu rose to influence in the 1600s/1700s. |
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