Re: The Lying Deity by lanrexlan(m): 10:18am On Jan 05, 2015 |
PastorKun:
But it was you muslim brethen that terrorised him to restrict the section to only muslims and also get it moderated by the most intolerant islamist on NL. Mister Kunle or Pastor Kunle(who annoit you self), if you have nothing reasonable to say you can keep quiet than making silly claims without proofs. 2 Likes |
Re: The Lying Deity by Rilwayne001: 10:37am On Jan 05, 2015 |
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Re: The Lying Deity by truthman2012(m): 11:58am On Jan 05, 2015 |
lanrexlan: Mister Kunle or Pastor Kunle(who annoit you self), if you have nothing reasonable to say you can keep quiet than making silly claims without proofs.
You muslim guys are truely terrorists. If you could be this aggresive online, one wonders what you can do face to face. |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 11:58am On Jan 05, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:
Infact i don't need to visit the joke section again this guy is one damn comedian liar the message of the cross is foolishness to you, muhammed is like the ethiopian eunuch who was reading the bible but failed to understand until Philip ask him ''do you understand what you are reading?'' The man say ''how can I understand when no one to teach me'' muhammed read the bible but never understand it meaning that why he contradicted the gospel. You are like the reprobat nation whom isaiah talk about in isaiah 6 This is what happened to the people, a reprobate nation; Isaiah 6:8:12. Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?” And I said, “Here am I. Send me!” 9 He said, “Go and tell this people: “‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding; be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’ 10 Make the heart of this people calloused; make their ears dull and close their eyes.[ a] Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed.” 11 Then I said, “For how long, Lord?” And he answered: “Until the cities lie ruined and without inhabitant, until the houses are left deserted and the fields ruined and ravaged, 12 until the Lord has sent everyone far away and the land is utterly forsaken. Jesus has already die for you, repent and be saved. |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 12:03pm On Jan 05, 2015 |
truthman2012:
Muslims and atheists perception of miracles.
You can't tempt God or display miracle as a show-off. excellent post sir, Muslim and atheists are no different, they don't believe in miracle. May God save there soul. |
Re: The Lying Deity by truthman2012(m): 2:21pm On Jan 05, 2015 |
malvisguy212: excellent post sir, Muslim and atheists are no different, they don't believe in miracle. May God save there soul. Amen, thanks. It takes Jesus intervention for muslims to see Satan in their religion. With all the atrocities, including sex.ual crimes, how does Muhamad qualify to be God's prophet? Which prophet was a sinner like him? |
Re: The Lying Deity by Rilwayne001: 4:59pm On Jan 05, 2015 |
truthman2012:
You muslim guys are truely terrorists. If you could be this aggresive online, one wonders what you can do face to face. How is he aggressive? is your brain failing you that much not to have recognise an agressive words? |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 5:23pm On Jan 05, 2015 |
truthman2012:
Amen, thanks.
It takes Jesus intervention for muslims to see Satan in their religion. With all the atrocities, including sex.ual crimes, how does Muhamad qualify to be God's prophet? Which prophet was a sinner like him?
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Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 5:24pm On Jan 05, 2015 |
truthman2012:
Amen, thanks.
It takes Jesus intervention for muslims to see Satan in their religion. With all the atrocities, including sex.ual crimes, how does Muhamad qualify to be God's prophet? Which prophet was a sinner like him?
you are very correct, thank you for your wonderful contribution,I read most of your thread and post on nairaland, you are a blessing to Christianity .non of the Muslim even attempt to debunked the op, whenever Muslim claimed Jesus perform miracle in the name of allah, we should shere this thread with him. Stay blessed |
Re: The Lying Deity by truthman2012(m): 7:05pm On Jan 05, 2015 |
malvisguy212: you are very correct, thank you for your wonderful contribution,I read most of your thread and post on nairaland, you are a blessing to Christianity .non of the Muslim even attempt to debunked the op, whenever Muslim claimed Jesus perform miracle in the name of allah, we should shere this thread with him. Stay blessed Amen, thank you very much. Our labour shall not be in vain in Jesus name. |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 7:09pm On Jan 05, 2015 |
truthman2012:
Amen, thank you very much.
Our labour shall not be in vain in Jesus name. amen.thank you. 1 Like |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 12:22am On Jan 18, 2015 |
malvisguy212: According to the Qur’an the final miracle performed by Allah was a huge she-camel that he produced out of a rock. Surah 7:73: “Indeed there has come to you a clear sign (the miracle of the coming out of a huge she camel from the midst of a rock) from your Lord.” (Hilali-Khan) And Surah 17:59 gives us the reason why Allah stopped sending miracles anymore after he had miraculously produced the she-camel out of a rock. Surah 17:59: “And We refrain from sending the Signs, only because the men of former generations treated them as false: We sent the she-camel to the Thamud to open their eyes, but they treated her wrongfully: We only send the Signs by way of terror (and warning from evil).” (Yusuf Ali)
As we can see, the word “Sign” in this verse denotes the visible and clearly observable miracle of Allah. The Sign or Miracle that Allah sent in this specific instant was a she-camel that was visible to the people of Thamud. The miracle was sent to open their eyes but they treated the she-camel wrongly and killed her. After this incident, Allah decided not to send any more miracles in the future. What can we conclude by the above words of Allah in Surah 17:59?
1. It shows that Allah has “stopped sending miracles.” This means that long before the coming of Muhammad, Allah has decided to stop sending miracles. Hence, if the Qur’an is true, then Muhammad could not have performed any miracle. Therefore, whenever Muslims proudly claim that their Prophet performed many miracles, they are at the same instant admitting that Allah lied in Surah 17:59. 2. It specifies Allah’s reason for not sending miracles. This verse states that Allah found it pointless to perform miracles “because the men of former generations treated them as false.” In other words, Allah has stopped sending miracles because people in the past did not believe in them. 3. It shows in which period of time Allah made a decision to stop sending miracles.
More than twenty Qur’anic passages show that whenever Muhammad was asked by his contemporaries to perform a single miracle, he either remained silent or said that he could not do so because he was no more than just an ordinary human being. The most explicit of these passages is in Surah 17:90-93: They said, “We will not believe you unless you cause a spring to gush out of the ground. “Or unless you own a garden of date palms and grapes, with rivers running through it. “Or unless you cause masses from the sky, as you claimed, to fall on us. Or unless you bring GOD and the angels before our eyes. “Or unless you own a luxurious mansion, or unless you climb into the sky. Even if you do climb, we will not believe unless you bring a book that we can read.” Say, “Glory be to my Lord. AM I ANY MORE THAN A HUMAN MESSENGER?” (Khalifa)
We will now analyze Surah 17:59 once again but from a different point of view: As a result of the above insolent act of the people of Thamud, Surah 17:59 testifies that Allah has now refrained from sending miracles. The Qur’an does not mention the time period when Prophet Salih was sent to the people of Thamud. But, we can say with certainty that it must be BEFORE the time of Jesus Christ, because according to Muhammad himself, there were no prophets or apostles between the time of Jesus and Muhammad. In other words, the only “Prophet” who was sent after Jesus was Muhammad.
Sahih Muslim, Book 030, Hadith Number 5835: Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: I am most akin to Jesus Christ among the whole of mankind, and all the Prophets are of different mothers but belong to one religion and no PROPHET WAS RAISE BETWEEN ME AND JESUS.
The Hadith states that “no Prophet was raised between (Muhammad) and Jesus,” Therefore, Salih could not have been sent after the arrival of Jesus but before. Otherwise, it would place him between Jesus and Muhammad. Therefore, Allah must have stopped sending miracles long before Jesus set foot on earth. Yet, the Qur’an admits that Jesus performed many miracles and it even describes some of his miracles. Surah 3:49: And I (Jesus) heal the blind and the leprous, and bring the dead to life with Allah’s permission. (Shakir)
How can this be possible? This shows that Allah’s claim in the Qur’an that he was the source behind the powerful works of Jesus is a lie. By his own admission, Allah could not be the one who empowered Jesus with miracles. He simply could not be the originator of Jesus’ miraculous works. Who then is the source of the miracles of Jesus? |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 4:00pm On Feb 08, 2015 |
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Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 10:54pm On Feb 13, 2015 |
malvisguy212: According to the Qur’an the final miracle performed by Allah was a huge she-camel that he produced out of a rock. Surah 7:73: “Indeed there has come to you a clear sign (the miracle of the coming out of a huge she camel from the midst of a rock) from your Lord.” (Hilali-Khan) And Surah 17:59 gives us the reason why Allah stopped sending miracles anymore after he had miraculously produced the she-camel out of a rock. Surah 17:59: “And We refrain from sending the Signs, only because the men of former generations treated them as false: We sent the she-camel to the Thamud to open their eyes, but they treated her wrongfully: We only send the Signs by way of terror (and warning from evil).” (Yusuf Ali)
As we can see, the word “Sign” in this verse denotes the visible and clearly observable miracle of Allah. The Sign or Miracle that Allah sent in this specific instant was a she-camel that was visible to the people of Thamud. The miracle was sent to open their eyes but they treated the she-camel wrongly and killed her. After this incident, Allah decided not to send any more miracles in the future. What can we conclude by the above words of Allah in Surah 17:59?
1. It shows that Allah has “stopped sending miracles.” This means that long before the coming of Muhammad, Allah has decided to stop sending miracles. Hence, if the Qur’an is true, then Muhammad could not have performed any miracle. Therefore, whenever Muslims proudly claim that their Prophet performed many miracles, they are at the same instant admitting that Allah lied in Surah 17:59. 2. It specifies Allah’s reason for not sending miracles. This verse states that Allah found it pointless to perform miracles “because the men of former generations treated them as false.” In other words, Allah has stopped sending miracles because people in the past did not believe in them. 3. It shows in which period of time Allah made a decision to stop sending miracles.
More than twenty Qur’anic passages show that whenever Muhammad was asked by his contemporaries to perform a single miracle, he either remained silent or said that he could not do so because he was no more than just an ordinary human being. The most explicit of these passages is in Surah 17:90-93: They said, “We will not believe you unless you cause a spring to gush out of the ground. “Or unless you own a garden of date palms and grapes, with rivers running through it. “Or unless you cause masses from the sky, as you claimed, to fall on us. Or unless you bring GOD and the angels before our eyes. “Or unless you own a luxurious mansion, or unless you climb into the sky. Even if you do climb, we will not believe unless you bring a book that we can read.” Say, “Glory be to my Lord. AM I ANY MORE THAN A HUMAN MESSENGER?” (Khalifa)
We will now analyze Surah 17:59 once again but from a different point of view: As a result of the above insolent act of the people of Thamud, Surah 17:59 testifies that Allah has now refrained from sending miracles. The Qur’an does not mention the time period when Prophet Salih was sent to the people of Thamud. But, we can say with certainty that it must be BEFORE the time of Jesus Christ, because according to Muhammad himself, there were no prophets or apostles between the time of Jesus and Muhammad. In other words, the only “Prophet” who was sent after Jesus was Muhammad.
Sahih Muslim, Book 030, Hadith Number 5835: Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: I am most akin to Jesus Christ among the whole of mankind, and all the Prophets are of different mothers but belong to one religion and no PROPHET WAS RAISE BETWEEN ME AND JESUS.
The Hadith states that “no Prophet was raised between (Muhammad) and Jesus,” Therefore, Salih could not have been sent after the arrival of Jesus but before. Otherwise, it would place him between Jesus and Muhammad. Therefore, Allah must have stopped sending miracles long before Jesus set foot on earth. Yet, the Qur’an admits that Jesus performed many miracles and it even describes some of his miracles. Surah 3:49: And I (Jesus) heal the blind and the leprous, and bring the dead to life with Allah’s permission. (Shakir)
How can this be possible? This shows that Allah’s claim in the Qur’an that he was the source behind the powerful works of Jesus is a lie. By his own admission, Allah could not be the one who empowered Jesus with miracles. He simply could not be the originator of Jesus’ miraculous works. Who then is the source of the miracles of Jesus? |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 11:33pm On Feb 24, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Bible record shows that at the very beginning of his ministry, Jesus encountered a spirit creature who confronted him with the sole intention of breaking his integrity. Jesus was destined to become the cornerstone of the Christian faith and Satan wanted to destroy the foundation upon which Christianity was to be built. However, Jesus foiled the plans of Satan by not submitting to his crafty designs. And Satan fled. The full account of Jesus’ encounter with Satan can be read at Matthew 4:1-11.
At the beginning of his calling as Allah’s messenger, Muhammad too came into contact with a spirit creature in the cave of Hira. This encounter terrified Muhammad. He became convinced that the spirit creature was a demon. And Muhammad fled. However, he was later led to believe that this spirit creature was an angelic messenger from Allah – a medium to receive revelations from Allah. Was Muhammad deceived? If the angelic messenger who spoke to Muhammad was truly sent by God, then Muhammad is the first person in recorded history to mistaken a “messenger of God” for a demon. According to his own testimony, he at first thought that the angel was a demon, from whom he ran and hid in fear. Muhammad only realized his “error” after his wife – a business woman, who never saw or heard the supernatural messenger – convinced him otherwise.Muhammad thought he was possessed by a demon, until his wife reassured him that he had become a prophet. Through Khadijah’s persuasion, he came to believe that he had received a divine mission from God.
The most important difference between the callings of God’s prophets in the Bible and Muhammad’s calling is that there is not a single incident in the Bible where someone confused the calling of God with that of Satan. When God spoke, not one of those called by Him ever said: “I wonder if this is from God or Satan?” In all cases, the calling of God was so convincing, so conclusive and so authoritative that the recipients of the divine mission were immediately certain. There was no question as to who originated the call. Neither was there a need for the assurance of anyone else. The divine callings experienced by the prophets of the true God were completely different from the one experienced by Muhammad. Jesus Christ gave the following warning: Matthew 12:31: “Therefore I say unto you, every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the holy spirit shall not be forgiven.” One of the unforgivable sins against the Holy Spirit is to ascribe the works of God to Satan. Coming to Muhammad, we are left with two options. One: Muhammad was wrong when he concluded that the calling of God was from Satan. Two: Muhammad was right when he concluded that the calling, which came through the angel, was from Satan. If Muhammad was wrong when he interpreted the calling of God as coming from Satan, then he ensnared himself by ascribing the works of God to the Devil. And by claiming that Islam is built on the foundation of Judaism and Christianity, Muhammad placed himself under the divine judgment of the Holy Bible. According to the divine laws of the Holy Bible, he blasphemed against the Holy Spirit and thus committed the unforgivable sin. However, if Muhammad was right and the angelic visitor was indeed from Satan, then a false religion began in the cave that day – a religion inspired by none other than Satan himself. Either option disqualifies Muhammad as a prophet of the true God. And at the same instant, Islam is disqualified as the religion of the true God. |
Re: The Lying Deity by shahydbinaliyu(m): 8:10am On Mar 29, 2015 |
malvisguy212: According to the Qur’an the final miracle performed by Allah was a huge she-camel that he produced out of a rock. Surah 7:73: “Indeed there has come to you a clear sign (the miracle of the coming out of a huge she camel from the midst of a rock) from your Lord.” (Hilali-Khan) And Surah 17:59 gives us the reason why Allah stopped sending miracles anymore after he had miraculously produced the she-camel out of a rock. Surah 17:59: “And We refrain from sending the Signs, only because the men of former generations treated them as false: We sent the she-camel to the Thamud to open their eyes, but they treated her wrongfully: We only send the Signs by way of terror (and warning from evil).” (Yusuf Ali)
As we can see, the word “Sign” in this verse denotes the visible and clearly observable miracle of Allah. The Sign or Miracle that Allah sent in this specific instant was a she-camel that was visible to the people of Thamud. The miracle was sent to open their eyes but they treated the she-camel wrongly and killed her. After this incident, Allah decided not to send any more miracles in the future. What can we conclude by the above words of Allah in Surah 17:59?
1. It shows that Allah has “stopped sending miracles.” This means that long before the coming of Muhammad, Allah has decided to stop sending miracles. Hence, if the Qur’an is true, then Muhammad could not have performed any miracle. Therefore, whenever Muslims proudly claim that their Prophet performed many miracles, they are at the same instant admitting that Allah lied in Surah 17:59. 2. It specifies Allah’s reason for not sending miracles. This verse states that Allah found it pointless to perform miracles “because the men of former generations treated them as false.” In other words, Allah has stopped sending miracles because people in the past did not believe in them. 3. It shows in which period of time Allah made a decision to stop sending miracles.
More than twenty Qur’anic passages show that whenever Muhammad was asked by his contemporaries to perform a single miracle, he either remained silent or said that he could not do so because he was no more than just an ordinary human being. The most explicit of these passages is in Surah 17:90-93: They said, “We will not believe you unless you cause a spring to gush out of the ground. “Or unless you own a garden of date palms and grapes, with rivers running through it. “Or unless you cause masses from the sky, as you claimed, to fall on us. Or unless you bring GOD and the angels before our eyes. “Or unless you own a luxurious mansion, or unless you climb into the sky. Even if you do climb, we will not believe unless you bring a book that we can read.” Say, “Glory be to my Lord. AM I ANY MORE THAN A HUMAN MESSENGER?” (Khalifa)
We will now analyze Surah 17:59 once again but from a different point of view: As a result of the above insolent act of the people of Thamud, Surah 17:59 testifies that Allah has now refrained from sending miracles. The Qur’an does not mention the time period when Prophet Salih was sent to the people of Thamud. But, we can say with certainty that it must be BEFORE the time of Jesus Christ, because according to Muhammad himself, there were no prophets or apostles between the time of Jesus and Muhammad. In other words, the only “Prophet” who was sent after Jesus was Muhammad.
Sahih Muslim, Book 030, Hadith Number 5835: Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: I am most akin to Jesus Christ among the whole of mankind, and all the Prophets are of different mothers but belong to one religion and no PROPHET WAS RAISE BETWEEN ME AND JESUS.
The Hadith states that “no Prophet was raised between (Muhammad) and Jesus,” Therefore, Salih could not have been sent after the arrival of Jesus but before. Otherwise, it would place him between Jesus and Muhammad. Therefore, Allah must have stopped sending miracles long before Jesus set foot on earth. Yet, the Qur’an admits that Jesus performed many miracles and it even describes some of his miracles. Surah 3:49: And I (Jesus) heal the blind and the leprous, and bring the dead to life with Allah’s permission. (Shakir)
How can this be possible? This shows that Allah’s claim in the Qur’an that he was the source behind the powerful works of Jesus is a lie. By his own admission, Allah could not be the one who empowered Jesus with miracles. He simply could not be the originator of Jesus’ miraculous works. Who then is the source of the miracles of Jesus? That camel era is the time of Moses.... Isrealites only believed in miracle.. God sent them the camel and told them to take care of it but they later killed it Stop sending miracles to them (Israelites) that's why Mohammad was from Arab. Problem solved? |
Re: The Lying Deity by shahydbinaliyu(m): 8:13am On Mar 29, 2015 |
[quote author=malvisguy212 post=27514258]According to the Qur’an the final miracle performed by Allah was a huge she-camel that he produced out of a rock. Surah 7:73: “Indeed there has come to you a clear sign (the miracle of the coming out of a huge she camel from the midst of a rock) from your Lord.” (Hilali-Khan) And Surah 17:59 gives us the reason why Allah stopped sending miracles anymore after he had miraculously produced the she-camel out of a rock. Surah 17:59: “And We refrain from sending the Signs, only because the men of former generations treated them as false: We sent the she-camel to the Thamud to open their eyes, but they treated her wrongfully: We only send the Signs by way of terror (and warning from evil).” (Yusuf Ali)
As we can see, the word “Sign” in this verse denotes the visible and clearly observable miracle of Allah. The Sign or Miracle that Allah sent in this specific instant was a she-camel that was visible to the people of Thamud. The miracle was sent to open their eyes but they treated the she-camel wrongly and killed her. After this incident, Allah decided not to send any more miracles in the future. What can we conclude by the above words of Allah in Surah 17:59?
1. It shows that Allah has “stopped sending miracles.” This means that long before the coming of Muhammad, Allah has decided to stop sending miracles. Hence, if the Qur’an is true, then Muhammad could not have performed any miracle. Therefore, whenever Muslims proudly claim that their Prophet performed many miracles, they are at the same instant admitting that Allah lied in Surah 17:59. 2. It specifies Allah’s reason for not sending miracles. This verse states that Allah found it pointless to perform miracles “because the men of former generations treated them as false.” In other words, Allah has stopped sending miracles because people in the past did not believe in them. 3. It shows in which period of time Allah made a decision to stop sending miracles.
More than twenty Qur’anic passages show that whenever Muhammad was asked by his contemporaries to perform a single miracle, he either remained silent or said that he could not do so because he was no more than just an ordinary human being. The most explicit of these passages is in Surah 17:90-93: They said, “We will not believe you unless you cause a spring to gush out of the ground. “Or unless you own a garden of date palms and grapes, with rivers running through it. “Or unless you cause masses from the sky, as you claimed, to fall on us. Or unless you bring GOD and the angels before our eyes. “Or unless you own a luxurious mansion, or unless you climb into the sky. Even if you do climb, we will not believe unless you bring a book that we can read.” Say, “Glory be to my Lord. AM I ANY MORE THAN A HUMAN MESSENGER?” (Khalifa)
We will now analyze Surah 17:59 once again but from a different point of view: As a result of the above insolent act of the people of Thamud, Surah 17:59 testifies that Allah has now refrained from sending miracles. The Qur’an does not mention the time period when Prophet Salih was sent to the people of Thamud. But, we can say with certainty that it must be BEFORE the time of Jesus Christ, because according to Muhammad himself, there were no prophets or apostles between the time of Jesus and Muhammad. In other words, the only “Prophet” who was sent after Jesus was Muhammad.
Sahih Muslim, Book 030, Hadith Number 5835: Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: I am most akin to Jesus Christ among the whole of mankind, and all the Prophets are of different mothers but belong to one religion and no PROPHET WAS RAISE BETWEEN ME AND JESUS.
The Hadith states that “no Prophet was raised between (Muhammad) and Jesus,” Therefore, Salih could not have been sent after the arrival of Jesus but before. Otherwise, it would place him between Jesus and Muhammad. Therefore, Allah must have stopped sending miracles long before Jesus set foot on earth. Yet, the Qur’an admits that Jesus performed many miracles and it even describes some of his miracles. Surah 3:49: And I (Jesus) heal the blind and the leprous, and bring the dead to life with Allah’s permission. (Shakir)
How can this be possible? This shows that Allah’s claim in the Qur’an that he was the source behind the powerful works of Jesus is a lie. By his own admission, Allah could not be the one who empowered Jesus with miracles. He simply could not be the originator of Jesus’ miraculous works. Who then is the source of the miracles of Jesus? [/quot
That one God that jesus do call father is ALLAH Jesus said himself that i cannot do anything except from my father |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 8:22am On Apr 12, 2015 |
[quote author=shahydbinaliyu post=32121991][/quote]rubbish. |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 8:29am On Apr 16, 2015 |
malvisguy212: According to the Qur’an the final miracle performed by Allah was a huge she-camel that he produced out of a rock. Surah 7:73: “Indeed there has come to you a clear sign (the miracle of the coming out of a huge she camel from the midst of a rock) from your Lord.” (Hilali-Khan) And Surah 17:59 gives us the reason why Allah stopped sending miracles anymore after he had miraculously produced the she-camel out of a rock. Surah 17:59: “And We refrain from sending the Signs, only because the men of former generations treated them as false: We sent the she-camel to the Thamud to open their eyes, but they treated her wrongfully: We only send the Signs by way of terror (and warning from evil).” (Yusuf Ali)
As we can see, the word “Sign” in this verse denotes the visible and clearly observable miracle of Allah. The Sign or Miracle that Allah sent in this specific instant was a she-camel that was visible to the people of Thamud. The miracle was sent to open their eyes but they treated the she-camel wrongly and killed her. After this incident, Allah decided not to send any more miracles in the future. What can we conclude by the above words of Allah in Surah 17:59?
1. It shows that Allah has “stopped sending miracles.” This means that long before the coming of Muhammad, Allah has decided to stop sending miracles. Hence, if the Qur’an is true, then Muhammad could not have performed any miracle. Therefore, whenever Muslims proudly claim that their Prophet performed many miracles, they are at the same instant admitting that Allah lied in Surah 17:59. 2. It specifies Allah’s reason for not sending miracles. This verse states that Allah found it pointless to perform miracles “because the men of former generations treated them as false.” In other words, Allah has stopped sending miracles because people in the past did not believe in them. 3. It shows in which period of time Allah made a decision to stop sending miracles.
More than twenty Qur’anic passages show that whenever Muhammad was asked by his contemporaries to perform a single miracle, he either remained silent or said that he could not do so because he was no more than just an ordinary human being. The most explicit of these passages is in Surah 17:90-93: They said, “We will not believe you unless you cause a spring to gush out of the ground. “Or unless you own a garden of date palms and grapes, with rivers running through it. “Or unless you cause masses from the sky, as you claimed, to fall on us. Or unless you bring GOD and the angels before our eyes. “Or unless you own a luxurious mansion, or unless you climb into the sky. Even if you do climb, we will not believe unless you bring a book that we can read.” Say, “Glory be to my Lord. AM I ANY MORE THAN A HUMAN MESSENGER?” (Khalifa)
We will now analyze Surah 17:59 once again but from a different point of view: As a result of the above insolent act of the people of Thamud, Surah 17:59 testifies that Allah has now refrained from sending miracles. The Qur’an does not mention the time period when Prophet Salih was sent to the people of Thamud. But, we can say with certainty that it must be BEFORE the time of Jesus Christ, because according to Muhammad himself, there were no prophets or apostles between the time of Jesus and Muhammad. In other words, the only “Prophet” who was sent after Jesus was Muhammad.
Sahih Muslim, Book 030, Hadith Number 5835: Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: I am most akin to Jesus Christ among the whole of mankind, and all the Prophets are of different mothers but belong to one religion and no PROPHET WAS RAISE BETWEEN ME AND JESUS.
The Hadith states that “no Prophet was raised between (Muhammad) and Jesus,” Therefore, Salih could not have been sent after the arrival of Jesus but before. Otherwise, it would place him between Jesus and Muhammad. Therefore, Allah must have stopped sending miracles long before Jesus set foot on earth. Yet, the Qur’an admits that Jesus performed many miracles and it even describes some of his miracles. Surah 3:49: And I (Jesus) heal the blind and the leprous, and bring the dead to life with Allah’s permission. (Shakir)
How can this be possible? This shows that Allah’s claim in the Qur’an that he was the source behind the powerful works of Jesus is a lie. By his own admission, Allah could not be the one who empowered Jesus with miracles. He simply could not be the originator of Jesus’ miraculous works. Who then is the source of the miracles of Jesus? |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 3:38pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
Ressurected |
Re: The Lying Deity by Nobody: 8:50pm On Jul 30, 2015 |
@malvisguy212 LIES LIES LIES, translated the verse wrongly just to blasphem! Here is the translation, "and NOTHING stops us from sending the ayat, but that the people of old denied them. and we sent the she-camel to Thamud as a clear sign, but they did her wrong. and we sent not the signs EXCEPT to warn, and to make them afraid" now its clear from your translation that you removed the word arabic word ILLA(NOTHING), how deceptive!!! why must you change the words of the quran to support your false claims? |
Re: The Lying Deity by johnydon22(m): 10:17pm On Jul 30, 2015 |
malvisguy212: excellent post sir, Muslim and atheists are no different, they don't believe in miracle. May God save there soul. Funny enough i saw you arguing that God never split the moon through muhammed.. so you don't believe in miracles either and you are accusing others when they don't believe your own claim? Think about it .. 1 Like |
Re: The Lying Deity by hahn(m): 10:18pm On Jul 30, 2015 |
Weah96:
Tell them again. The bible, I'm willing to wager, has more credulity defying things than the Quran. So then, you agree the quran isn't perfect either. In your attempt to force the drowning man into the water, you ended up drowning yourself |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 10:44pm On Jul 30, 2015 |
johnydon22: Funny enough i saw you arguing that God never split the moon through muhammed.. so you don't believe in miracles either and you are accusing others when they don't believe your own claim? Think about it .. if I say God did not split the moon through muhammed, does it mean I never believe in miracle or I did not believe in the "splitting of the moon" ? |
Re: The Lying Deity by johnydon22(m): 10:53pm On Jul 30, 2015 |
malvisguy212: if I say God did not split the moon through muhammed, does it mean I never believe in miracle or I did not believe in the "splitting of the moon" ? It means you choose the ones you believe same way muslims choose theirs yet you accuse them of not believing in miracles because they don't believe yours... You are as guilty as the ones you accuse |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 10:58pm On Jul 30, 2015 |
johnydon22: It means you choose the ones you believe same way muslims choose theirs yet you accuse them of not believing in miracles because they don't believe yours... You are as guilty as the ones you accuse Allah refrain from sending sign long before muhammed. And the fact that muhammed admits, he cannot performed miracle because he is only a human mean we have to question the splitting of the moon, who empowered him ? |
Re: The Lying Deity by Nobody: 7:14am On Jul 31, 2015 |
it so funny how these christians folks console themselves when they are being put to shame, why didnt malvisguy212 reply my refutal to his op? one simple word caused it, COWARDICE is the word. |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 7:18am On Jul 31, 2015 |
lexiconkabir: it so funny how these christians folks console themselves when they are being put to shame, why didnt malvisguy212 reply my refutal to his op? one simple word caused it, COWARDICE is the word. your post make no sense. |
Re: The Lying Deity by Nobody: 7:21am On Jul 31, 2015 |
malvisguy212: your post make no sense. lol, it doesnt make sense to you cuz its the truth, isnt it an irony that the truth is bitter when told? |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 8:12am On Jul 31, 2015 |
lexiconkabir: lol, it doesnt make sense to you cuz its the truth, isnt it an irony that the truth is bitter when told? are all this translations wrong? Surah 17:59: “And We refrain from sending the Signs, only because the men of former generations treated them as false : We sent the she-camel to the Thamud to open their eyes, but they treated her wrongfully: We only send the Signs by way of terror (and warning from evil).” (Yusuf Ali) “Nothing hindered us from sending (thee) with miracles, except that the former (nations) have charged them with imposture. We gave unto (the tribe of) Thamud, (at their demand), the she-camel visible (to their sight); yet they dealt unjustly with her: And we send not (a prophet) with miracles , but to strike terror.” (Sale) “What stopped us from sending the miracles is that the previous generations have rejected them. For example, we showed Thamoud the camel, a profound (miracle), but they transgressed against it. We sent the miracles only to instill reverence.” (Khalifa) |
Re: The Lying Deity by Nobody: 8:33am On Jul 31, 2015 |
yes malvisguy212 there are wrong! these translations has been concocted either by you or from an islamophobe site. |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 8:55am On Jul 31, 2015 |
lexiconkabir: yes malvisguy212 there are wrong! these translations has been concocted either by you or from an islamophobe site. okay!!! You know more than yusuf Ali. When will you translate your version of the quran? |