Billyonaire:
But you said you are a Deist.

My lawyer told me not to answer that question

Its easy to say there is God, but yet cant show proof of God's existence.

herald9:

My lawyer told me not to answer that question

Your lawyer is a wise man. He doesnt want you to make mistakes.

Billyonaire:
Your lawyer is a wise man. He doesnt want you to make mistakes.

What kinda mistakes?

herald9:

What kinda mistakes?

Like saying the world is flat. And that God lives in the sky above. And that heaven is above and hell is burning, that satan fall from the skies, that Garden of Eden disappeared without clue. That Mary got pregnant without sperm.

Billyonaire:
Like saying the world is flat. And that God lives in the sky above. And that heaven is above and hell is burning, that satan fall from the skies, that Garden of Eden disappeared without clue. That Mary got pregnant without sperm.

You're tempting me to open up...

But the loyalty to my lawyer is brutal!


and btw the word 'Deist' should explain my beliefs better.

herald9:

You're tempting me to open up...

But the loyalty to my lawyer is brutal!


and btw the word 'Deist' should explain my beliefs better.

Cross-check the meaning of Deist again, Biko.

davien:
The argument is a claim that things are "designed" when a "designer" was never established.
Example....can you call a brandless bag of cement dangotes'?

No, the argument is titled 'argument from design'; what the argument actually is, is an inference to design from the facts that living things are coded and codes require intelligence to make.

herald9:

What if the Christian gets converted in the process?

That's a risk but it doesn't necessarily have to happen there are Christian apologists who specialize in debating atheists who remain strong Christians.

Billyonaire:
Wrong, the building block of every mass, is energy. When energy goes through the Higg's field it gains mass. That's why ofcourse why scientists nicknamed the Higg's Boson as God particle, a mockery of creation creature, to show that Higg's field materializes energy. There is no God but Energy.

I'm talking biology and design; you are talking off-point with physics.

UyiIredia:


I'm talking biology and design; you are talking off-point with physics.

You know nothing then.

UyiIredia:


I'll give a good proof of God no atheist on NL has satisfactorily rebutted. It is a proof of God from the design in life.

1) Living things are coded systems (ie they are built around codes in their DNA)
2) The major factor required in building coded systems is intelligence
3) Therefore we induce an intelligent Creator behind living things.

Number two is based on an assumption. How do you know that intelligence is required to build coded systems? It's because the only other coded systems you see apart from man made ones are the natural ones, such as living systems, isn't it? However, we know that the natural coded systems existed before man's intelligence did. Any coded system that man makes would be created after the observance of such systems in nature. As such, it is man made coded systems that require man's intelligence in order to be built, and not every coded system, as you assert. This is where the mistake is made, since the intelligence which you have seen creating coded systems does not create coded systems out of thin air, but from observation of already existing similar systems. If the intelligence of God is anything like that of man, then God would also have to observe already existing coded systems in order to build his own. But then this would mean that God learns, whereas he is said to be omniscient.

More importantly, it would mean that coded systems exist independently of God (this would explain his own life) and that his existence is therefore not the only necessary one.

Of course you can say that God's intelligence is nothing like man's, and that will be adding another premise to your proof, in which case your proof as it stands is a failure.

Billyonaire:
Cross-check the meaning of Deist again, Biko.

deism.

belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe.

Like saying the world is flat. And that God lives in
the sky above. And that heaven is above and hell is
burning, that satan fall from the skies, that Garden
of Eden disappeared without clue. That Mary got
pregnant without sperm.

These are Bible stories... A product of the human mind.

herald9:

deism.

belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe.



These are Bible stories... A product of the human mind.

Of what use is a God that doesnt intervene in the universe. Sounds like an absentee landlord. Tell me more about this absentee landlord.

UyiIredia:


That's a risk but it doesn't necessarily have to happen there are Christian apologists who specialize in debating atheists who remain strong Christians.

When two elephants fight...the grass suffers...

This is how I was re-born

What I meant is...while these strong Christians are debating...

Do you know the psychological effects this debates has on those innocent, youthful minds of the viewers?

UyiIredia:
No, the argument is titled 'argument from design'; what the argument actually is, is an inference to design from the facts that living things are coded and codes require intelligence to make.

Are you referring to the genome of living things as codes or sequences in computers and therefore the principles are the same?

Billyonaire:
Of what use is a God that doesnt intervene in the universe. Sounds like an absentee landlord. Tell me more about this absentee landlord.

Deism holds that God does not intervene with
the functioning of the natural world in any
way, allowing it to run according to the laws
of nature . For Deists, human beings can only
know God via reason and the observation of
nature, but not by revelation or
supernatural manifestations (such as
miracles)

herald9:

Deism holds that God does not intervene with
the functioning of the natural world in any
way, allowing it to run according to the laws
of nature . For Deists, human beings can only
know God via reason and the observation of
nature, but not by revelation or
supernatural manifestations (such as
miracles)

what is the difference between a deistic "god" and one that doesn't exist?

herald9:

Deism holds that God does not intervene with
the functioning of the natural world in any
way, allowing it to run according to the laws
of nature . For Deists, human beings can only
know God via reason and the observation of
nature, but not by revelation or
supernatural manifestations (such as
miracles)

Just an excuse.

davien:
what is the difference between a deistic "god" and one that doesn't exist?

The difference is we believe in a God..

We can use that to explain how these natural phenomena came about... Unlike you guys who are just 'clueless'

Trying to a force evolution down our throat and using complicated ideologies to drive home your points in Which average minds cannot understand

It saves us a lotta trouble bro!

Billyonaire:
Just an excuse.

Really?

At least I believe in something!

herald9:

The difference is we believe in a God..

To believe in something doesn't make it true....some people still believe the earth is flat...does their belief make it true?...people who believed zeus was responsible for storms...did their belief make it true?
What I want to know is how your idea of a "god" can be identified and proven...thousands of "god" and "gods" have been claimed since antiquity,what sets yours apart from the other unvalidated claims?

We can use that to explain how these natural phenomena came about... Unlike you guys who are just 'clueless'

It is good to admit ignorance than to swallow a claim as an answer to a question...
By the way,can you use "god" to explain and verify what darkmatter and darkenergy is?

Trying to a force evolution down our throat and using complicated ideologies to drive home your points in Which average minds cannot understand

who is forcing evolution down your throat?...if you don't accept evolution are you called a reprobate? if you do not accept evolution does that stop species from speciating?
Why is the acceptance of a theory even part of your argument?...is it because it pushes magical creation myths aside?

It saves us a lotta trouble bro!

imagine if the greatest minds of our century followed your simplistic view that everything natural can be answered by "god-did-it"...would there be knowledge on many things,namely vaccines?... won't there only be faith healers if indeed everyone believed as you do..
I ask this because,before germs were known about... people believed the simplistic unvalidated ideas of "bad blood,too much blood,the supernatural,sucubus and spirits"...it was the skeptical approach towards this belief that led to knowledge of germs and from there the creation of vaccines...

Point 4 more or else voids point 1

The pack of cards fall from there.

The little not related to that, eg burden of proof, does not really merit attention imo. So meh

I never said there isn't a God. Identifying invisible people is not exactly my area of expertise.

However, I know for a fact that Yahweh and Jesus are merely imaginary characters. Not Jesus the human, but Jesus the God. Entirely fictional.

How do I know this? I read the bible. It said that Noah gathered a male and female member of every species on earth, and put them on a boat. One boat.

A handful of white people, and a bunch of animals. Everything else perished.

Yet there are over 150 million Nigerians today.

That's what I call an accelerated evolutionary transformation. Hahaha.

herald9:

Ask yourself. When's the last time an atheist rang your
doorbell with the Good News of Humanism?

When was the last atheist temple
erected in your neighborhood?

Have you ever attended an
atheist revival?

Has atheism demanded 10% of your
household income?

How many dedicated atheist
television channels come through your satellite dish?

How many atheist verses were you instructed to memorize
as a child?

On a more radical front, what's the name of the last
atheist who sawed the head off of an "infidel?" Or strapped explosives to his belt in
order to kill hundreds in a public square? Or publicly
hung a gay person for his choice of lifestyle?

I am not an atheist... but you should leave these guys alone....

Engaging them every time will only open your already weak mind to more injury... remember how confused you were last time...

This time you might go knackers _

Yours sincerely,

Nobody.

Have you cared to ask when last I did all these you mentioned?.

By the way, I'm fufilling all righteousness. What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Don't tell me you're ignorant of how atheist bash christians unnecessarily on this section?.

Think before you sympathize.

FrancisTony:


Have you cared to ask when last I did all these you mentioned?.

By the way, I'm fufilling all righteousness. What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Don't tell me you're ignorant of how atheist bash christians unnecessarily on this section?.

Think before you sympathize.

So, are you now no more confused? Back to christianity?

FrancisTony:


Have you cared to ask when last I did all these you mentioned?.

By the way, I'm fufilling all righteousness. What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Don't tell me you're ignorant of how atheist bash christians unnecessarily on this section?.

Think before you sympathize.

Idk.

Shutting you up is my tenth hobby...

And Who knows whether I might become a full-fledged Atheist as I'm still undergoing Evolution

JackBizzle:



So, are you now no more confused? Back to christianity?

Was I confused?

herald9:

Idk.
Shutting you up is my tenth hobby...
And Who knows whether I might become a full-fledged Atheist as I'm still undergoing Evolution

LOL! Shutting me up.

I have witnessed many things that will ne'er make me an atheist.

Talk more about village witches and people that get hold by medicine placed for them.

FrancisTony:


LOL! Shutting me up.

I have witnessed many things that will ne'er make me an atheist.

Talk more about village witches and people that get hold by medicine placed for them.

Why do all these horror stories never happen in cities and open places?

Have you seen a real witch? Did you see the witch flying?

JackBizzle:



Why do all these horror stories never happen in cities and open places?

Have you seen a real witch? Did you see the witch flying?

I haven't seen or witnessed any.

My grandfather have told me some stories about it.

What's the essence of him lying or what would he gain?.

I believe there are supernatural power elsewhere.

FrancisTony:


I haven't seen or witnessed any.

My grandfather have told me some stories about it.

What's the essence of him lying or what would he gain?.

I believe there are supernatural power elsewhere.

Your grandfather could be lying, senile, over-emotional or confused.

Seeing is believing.

JackBizzle:



Your grandfather could be lying, senile, over-emotional or confused.

Seeing is believing.

My grandfather wasn't a Christian not until a year to his death.

He converted at 85years and died when he was 86.