"First accused of gross indecency in 1979, one priest was recently sentenced to four years in prison after pleading guilty to 36 charges!
Usually these cases are hushed up, and no significant disciplinary action is taken. Perhaps a priest is transferred to another parish or duty, where the depravity might start again. On this occasion the archbishop was moved to resign after stating: We are a sinful church. We are naked. Our anger, our pain, our anguish, our shame are clear to the whole world. And even worse, the church hierarchy failed to act decisively. They were accused of being more concerned about the offending priests than about the victims." Awake! 1990 November 8 p.31

"Even Churches that condemn immorality have tolerated religious leaders who have sexually abused children." The End of False Religion is Near! (2006) p.2

A BROTHER CANNOT BE ACCUSED OF HIS PAST WRONG DOING (including pedophilia) AFTER 3YEARS OF SERVING AS AN ELDER

The 1972 book Organization for Kingdom-Preaching and Disciple-Making stated:

"If a person was serving as an elder or a ministerial servant when he committed a serious wrong, even though it was some years ago, he bears a degree of reprehensibility, for he continued to serve in that position though knowing that he had, for the time at least, disqualified himself, not being then free from accusation. (1 Tim. 3:2, 10; Titus 1:6,7) He should have informed the judicial committee that he did not adhere to the requirements and should have stepped down from his position. In view of his failure to do this at that time, he would now be removed from that position."

The term some years ago was clarified shortly afterwards in the Kingdom Ministry 1972 p.8 as a time period of three years:

"What was meant by some years ago on page 170, paragraph two, in the Organization book? This indicates more than a year or two. It may be noted that it did not say many years ago. So it is not the exact number of years, but more like two or three years. It was not intended to have a brother go back into the distant past to bring up wrongs of which he repented years ago and that have evidently been forgiven by Jehovah and are not practiced now."

paulGrundy:
"First accused of gross indecency in 1979, one priest was recently sentenced to four years in prison after pleading guilty to 36 charges!
Usually these cases are hushed up, and no significant disciplinary action is taken. Perhaps a priest is transferred to another parish or duty, where the depravity might start again. On this occasion the archbishop was moved to resign after stating: We are a sinful church. We are naked. Our anger, our pain, our anguish, our shame are clear to the whole world. And even worse, the church hierarchy failed to act decisively. They were accused of being more concerned about the offending priests than about the victims." Awake! 1990 November 8 p.31

"Even Churches that condemn immorality have tolerated religious leaders who have sexually abused children." The End of False Religion is Near! (2006) p.2

A BROTHER CANNOT BE ACCUSED OF HIS PAST WRONG DOING (including pedophilia) AFTER 3YEARS OF SERVING AS AN ELDER

The 1972 book Organization for Kingdom-Preaching and Disciple-Making stated:

"If a person was serving as an elder or a ministerial servant when he committed a serious wrong, even though it was some years ago, he bears a degree of reprehensibility, for he continued to serve in that position though knowing that he had, for the time at least, disqualified himself, not being then free from accusation. (1 Tim. 3:2, 10; Titus 1:6,7) He should have informed the judicial committee that he did not adhere to the requirements and should have stepped down from his position. In view of his failure to do this at that time, he would now be removed from that position."

The term some years ago was clarified shortly afterwards in the Kingdom Ministry 1972 p.8 as a time period of three years:

"What was meant by some years ago on page 170, paragraph two, in the Organization book? This indicates more than a year or two. It may be noted that it did not say many years ago. So it is not the exact number of years, but more like two or three years. It was not intended to have a brother go back into the distant past to bring up wrongs of which he repented years ago and that have evidently been forgiven by Jehovah and are not practiced now."

Can u post a link to these books or paste the page where u took ur quotes from?
Reason: cus I dnt trust u, u have made a false accusation before which u failed to defend and refuse to correct.

dolphinheart:


Can u post a link to these books or paste the page where u took ur quotes from?
Reason: cus I dnt trust u, _{u have made a false accusation before which u failed to defend and refuse to correct}.

I can see that you are still pained that I did not change the title of my thread to suit your prejudiced mind.

The title still remains:

masturbation leads to homosexuality

Get over it!

You expect me to show you (a jehovahs witness) the source of your (jehovahs witness) literature

Its like a farmer asking his neighbour to show him where he kept his cutlass.

The quotes in my thread is refrenced if your were honest, you would have gone to verify them @ wol.jw.org.

But then I can see that you are in the mood to derail the thread, I'll allow you to, because am in a humourous mood.

Let the fiasco begin! Call BERNIMORE/CANTICLES to make it more interesting.

Tag: yooguyz

paulGrundy:


I can see that you are still pained that I did not change the title of my thread to suit your prejudiced mind.

The title still remains:

masturbation leads to homosexuality

Get over it!

You expect me to show you (a jehovahs witness) the source of your (jehovahs witness) literature

Its like a farmer asking his neighbour to show him where he kept his cutlass.

The quotes in my thread is refrenced if your were honest, you would have gone to verify them @ wol.jw.org.

But then I can see that you are in the mood to derail the thread, I'll allow you to, because am in a humourous mood.

Let the fiasco begin! Call BERNIMORE/CANTICLES to make it more interesting.

Tag: yooguyz

First of all, I'm not pained by wateva u do on NL, wateva u door refuse to do makes me and others reading ur thread have a better idea of ur personality and who u re as a person. This helps them in their level of interest and direction they will use to view ur thread.

To me, it is bad when u twist the words of others behind there back, and tell others that they said something they did not say. It only shows honest hearted individuals that ur method is to use lies to achieve ur sinister motives.

On the issue of u posting evidence on these thread.
U take some one to the courth of public opinion, u accused someone of writing a letter, u accuse someone of making false statement, and u refuse to bring evidence of such letter/ statement.
My dear sir, u case will be thrown out and u will be seen in the eyes of all as an inserious fellow.
It is u that will prove such statements where true and if u can't post evidence to that , then I can't discuss on the issue.


If u can't post it because of me, post it because of others who are reading ur thread. At least they deserve it.
Post a link or paste a picture for others to see that what u are saying is true, then everyone can discuss on what is being said.

@paulGrundy. Are you aware that Jehovah's witnesses do not condone serious wrong doings within their fold, where other religion frown at wrong doings and same tolerates them. Jehovah's witnesses repudiate sins and the cause that might lead to it.
They are the only among Christian churches within my knowledge that have internal cleansing of unrepentant sinners, in line with 1Corinthians 5vs 9-13, simply put they excommunicated any of their members, no matter high placed he or she is, out of their midst.
Step 1: On the Issue of child abuse or molestation: Congregation Discipline

Jehovah's Witnesses have a disciplinary system that applies to all congregation members who commit child abuse, rather than only to members in positions of authority.[13] Their policy states that child sex victims be immediately protected from further abuse, and that abusers be prevented from finding additional victims.[14] If allegations of child abuse are deemed to have a sound basis, an internal judicial committee is formed, and the accused individual is relieved of any positions of responsibility in the congregation. Anyone found to have sexually molested a child and failing to demonstrate repentance is to be disfellowshipped from the congregation.[15] If an accused individual denies wrongdoing, but later due to evidence presented in a court of law, it is proven that he or she was involved in child abuse, the individual is disfellowshipped.
Step:2Reproof and restrictions

An abuser who is judged repentant by a committee of elders is given a 'public reproof', wherein it is announced to the congregation that the named individual "has been reproved", though the nature of their crime is not stated.[15] Some time later, a talk is given to the congregation, discussing the type of sin and the need to be on guard against it; the reproved individual is not named in connection with this talk.[16] For a considerable period of time, a reproved individual is not permitted to participate in meetings by commenting in group discussions or making presentations from the platform.[17] They are immediately debarred from serving in any appointed position in the congregation, usually for life. A fax sent by Jehovah's Witnesses' Office of Public Information to the producers of the BBC's Panorama television program stated that at least twenty years must have passed before an individual who committed an act of child sex abuse could even be considered for appointment to a responsible position in the congregation, if ever.[18]

Former child molesters, including those who molested children before becoming Jehovah's Witnesses, those eventually reinstated into the congregation after being disfellowshipped, and those who were deemed repentant, are subject to a number of restrictions, which normally remain in place permanently. A 1997 Watchtower article stated: "For the protection of our children, a man known to have been a child molester does not qualify for a responsible position in the congregation. Moreover, he cannot be a pioneer or serve in any other special, full-time service."[19][20] Former sex offenders may not offer public prayers, read paragraphs during congregation studies, or be given even minor responsibilities in the congregation, such as handling microphones or distributing literature in the Kingdom Hall, and the person's home may not usually be used for congregation meetings.[21] According to the Watch Tower Society spokesman, J. R. Brown, sex offenders are not permitted to participate in the congregation's house-to-house preaching, unless accompanied by a responsible adult.[22] Commenting on the effect of these restrictions, Jehovah's Witnesses' legal representative, Mario Moreno, stated that these restrictions alert members that the individual "lacks spiritual maturity."[23]

If a former child abuser moves to another congregation, elders from the previous congregation must send a letter to the body of elders in the new congregation, outlining the offender's background[24] and whether the abuser is still under the 'restricted privileges'. Previous communication from the organization's Branch Office regarding the abuser is not forwarded to the new congregation.[25] Other members of the new congregation are not formally made aware of the abuser's past.
Step 3: On the Book you misapplied or failed to understand its context;
Positions of responsibility

When a member is recommended for a position of responsibility such as elder or ministerial servant, the individual is asked directly whether he has ever committed child sexual abuse; if it is revealed that he has, the proposed appointment is annulled and the branch office is advised.[26] If an appointed individual later admits to having committed abuse, the Watch Tower Society's policy requires that the individual be removed from their position. The 1972 book, Organization for Kingdom-Preaching and Disciple-Making, stated:


If a person was serving as an elder or a ministerial servant when he committed a serious wrong, even though it was some years ago, he bears a degree of reprehensibility, for he continued to serve in that position though knowing that he had, for the time at least, disqualified himself, not being then "free from accusation." (1 Tim. 3:2, 10; Titus 1:6,7) He should have informed the judicial committee that he did not adhere to the requirements and should have stepped down from his position. In view of his failure to do this at that time, he would now be removed from that position.

In October 1972 the newsletter, Our Kingdom Ministry, explained that "some years ago" meant "not the exact number of years, but more like two or three years", in contrast to actions committed "many years ago ... into the distant past."[27] This position was further clarified in 1991 to exclude individuals involved in child sex abuse.[citation needed] The January 1, 1997 issue of The Watchtower stated, "For the protection of our children, a man known to have been a child molester does not qualify for a responsible position in the congregation. Moreover, he cannot be a pioneer or serve in any other special, full-time service."[28] During the 2005 Kingdom Ministry School, it was stated that hidden acts of "porneia" (sexual sins) would require an internal judicial committee, and if these involved children, would be treated as child sex abuse.[citation needed]

In 2010, the Watch Tower Society clarified how its policy is applied where a member in a position of authority is learned to have committed serious wrongdoing in the distant past, "more than a few years ago." The elders' handbook "Shepherd the Flock of God" explained that such a person might be allowed to remain in their position if "he has been serving faithfully for many years, has evidence of God's blessing, and has the respect of the congregation," noting that, "the nature of the sin may reflect greatly on his qualifications to serve. For example, the sin may involve past child abuse, and this would likely disqualify him for many years." It added, "If the wrongdoing occurred within the past few years while he was serving as an elder or a ministerial servant, he is disqualified from serving as such" (emphasis in original).[29
Step 4: To state how seriously Jehovah's witnesses organization view child molestation
Read: Reporting to civil authorities-

A press release issued in 2003 by Jehovah's Witnesses' Office of Public Information stated: "The elders may be required by law to report even uncorroborated or unsubstantiated allegations to the authorities. If so, we expect the elders to comply."[30] The Watchtower magazine has outlined the following policy: "Depending on the law of the land where he lives, the molester may well have to serve a prison term or face other sanctions from the State. The congregation will not protect him from this."[31] A 2002 memo to all congregations stated: "Our position is that secular authorities deal with crime while elders deal with sin."[2] Even where there is no mandatory reporting requirement, victims or others having knowledge of an incident of sexual abuse must not be discouraged from reporting it.[32]

The New York Times commented: "The shape of the scandal [in Jehovah's Witnesses] is far different than in the Catholic church, where most of the people accused of abuse are priests and a vast majority of the victims were boys and young men. In the Jehovah's Witnesses, where congregations are often collections of extended families and church elders are chosen from among the laypeople, some of those accused are elders, but most are congregation members. The victims who have stepped forward are mostly girls and young women, and many accusations involve incest."[33]

Congregation elders are required to first contact the organization's legal department in cases of alleged abuse to establish whether there is a legal duty to report the sex crime to the civil authorities or not.[34] In Canada, elders have been advised: "There is a duty to report when one has reasonable and probable grounds to believe that there is abuse or a substantial risk of abuse and parents have failed to protect the child. The report shall be made forthwith to the local child welfare authorities. […] Elders must be aware, however, that once they have knowledge, they have an obligation. They cannot just hope that someone else will report. They must follow through quickly, and be sure that it is done."[35]

The elders' manual, Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock, states: "Though it is not the responsibility of the Christian congregation to enforce Caesar's laws, the very nature of some crimes demands that they be reported to secular authorities."[36] A 1995 memo to elders stated: "Many states make it mandatory that elders report an accusation to the proper authorities but other states do not. In those states where such is required, oftentimes the parent, the guardian, or the accused person himself can do the reporting."[37] This was publicized by 1997.[38]

In 2000, elders in Great Britain were instructed: "The elder approached must encourage the complainant to consider his or her responsibility to report the matter to the authorities without delay and should also explain that he himself might have a duty to report the matter to the proper authorities," and that "all in the Christian congregation will want to consider their personal and moral responsibility to alert the appropriate authorities in cases where a serious criminal offense of this type has been committed, or there exists a risk that one may be committed."

Jehovah's witnesses organization distaste evil, sins, in all its shades and colors, the fact showed that most of their unrepentant members who are removed, bears king size grudges for the scriptural disgrace

indigene:
@paulGrundy. Are you aware that Jehovah's witnesses do not condone serious wrong doings within their fold, where other religion frown at wrong doings and same tolerates them. Jehovah's witnesses repudiate sins and the cause that might lead to it.
They are the only among Christian churches within my knowledge that have internal cleansing of unrepentant sinners, in line with 1Corinthians 5vs 9-13, simply put they excommunicated any of their members, no matter high placed he or she is, out of their midst.
Step 1: On the Issue of child abuse or molestation: Congregation Discipline

Jehovah's Witnesses have a disciplinary system that applies to all congregation members who commit child abuse, rather than only to members in positions of authority.[13] Their policy states that child sex victims be immediately protected from further abuse, and that abusers be prevented from finding additional victims.[14] If allegations of child abuse are deemed to have a sound basis, an internal judicial committee is formed, and the accused individual is relieved of any positions of responsibility in the congregation. Anyone found to have sexually molested a child and failing to demonstrate repentance is to be disfellowshipped from the congregation.[15] If an accused individual denies wrongdoing, but later due to evidence presented in a court of law, it is proven that he or she was involved in child abuse, the individual is disfellowshipped.
Step:2Reproof and restrictions

An abuser who is judged repentant by a committee of elders is given a 'public reproof', wherein it is announced to the congregation that the named individual "has been reproved", though the nature of their crime is not stated.[15] Some time later, a talk is given to the congregation, discussing the type of sin and the need to be on guard against it; the reproved individual is not named in connection with this talk.[16] For a considerable period of time, a reproved individual is not permitted to participate in meetings by commenting in group discussions or making presentations from the platform.[17] They are immediately debarred from serving in any appointed position in the congregation, usually for life. A fax sent by Jehovah's Witnesses' Office of Public Information to the producers of the BBC's Panorama television program stated that at least twenty years must have passed before an individual who committed an act of child sex abuse could even be considered for appointment to a responsible position in the congregation, if ever.[18]

Former child molesters, including those who molested children before becoming Jehovah's Witnesses, those eventually reinstated into the congregation after being disfellowshipped, and those who were deemed repentant, are subject to a number of restrictions, which normally remain in place permanently. A 1997 Watchtower article stated: "For the protection of our children, a man known to have been a child molester does not qualify for a responsible position in the congregation. Moreover, he cannot be a pioneer or serve in any other special, full-time service."[19][20] Former sex offenders may not offer public prayers, read paragraphs during congregation studies, or be given even minor responsibilities in the congregation, such as handling microphones or distributing literature in the Kingdom Hall, and the person's home may not usually be used for congregation meetings.[21] According to the Watch Tower Society spokesman, J. R. Brown, sex offenders are not permitted to participate in the congregation's house-to-house preaching, unless accompanied by a responsible adult.[22] Commenting on the effect of these restrictions, Jehovah's Witnesses' legal representative, Mario Moreno, stated that these restrictions alert members that the individual "lacks spiritual maturity."[23]

If a former child abuser moves to another congregation, elders from the previous congregation must send a letter to the body of elders in the new congregation, outlining the offender's background[24] and whether the abuser is still under the 'restricted privileges'. Previous communication from the organization's Branch Office regarding the abuser is not forwarded to the new congregation.[25] Other members of the new congregation are not formally made aware of the abuser's past.
Step 3: On the Book you misapplied or failed to understand its context;
Positions of responsibility

When a member is recommended for a position of responsibility such as elder or ministerial servant, the individual is asked directly whether he has ever committed child sexual abuse; if it is revealed that he has, the proposed appointment is annulled and the branch office is advised.[26] If an appointed individual later admits to having committed abuse, the Watch Tower Society's policy requires that the individual be removed from their position. The 1972 book, Organization for Kingdom-Preaching and Disciple-Making, stated:


If a person was serving as an elder or a ministerial servant when he committed a serious wrong, even though it was some years ago, he bears a degree of reprehensibility, for he continued to serve in that position though knowing that he had, for the time at least, disqualified himself, not being then "free from accusation." (1 Tim. 3:2, 10; Titus 1:6,7) He should have informed the judicial committee that he did not adhere to the requirements and should have stepped down from his position. In view of his failure to do this at that time, he would now be removed from that position.

In October 1972 the newsletter, Our Kingdom Ministry, explained that "some years ago" meant "not the exact number of years, but more like two or three years", in contrast to actions committed "many years ago ... into the distant past."[27] This position was further clarified in 1991 to exclude individuals involved in child sex abuse.[citation needed] The January 1, 1997 issue of The Watchtower stated, "For the protection of our children, a man known to have been a child molester does not qualify for a responsible position in the congregation. Moreover, he cannot be a pioneer or serve in any other special, full-time service."[28] During the 2005 Kingdom Ministry School, it was stated that hidden acts of "porneia" (sexual sins) would require an internal judicial committee, and if these involved children, would be treated as child sex abuse.[citation needed]

In 2010, the Watch Tower Society clarified how its policy is applied where a member in a position of authority is learned to have committed serious wrongdoing in the distant past, "more than a few years ago." The elders' handbook "Shepherd the Flock of God" explained that such a person might be allowed to remain in their position if "he has been serving faithfully for many years, has evidence of God's blessing, and has the respect of the congregation," noting that, "the nature of the sin may reflect greatly on his qualifications to serve. For example, the sin may involve past child abuse, and this would likely disqualify him for many years." It added, "If the wrongdoing occurred within the past few years while he was serving as an elder or a ministerial servant, he is disqualified from serving as such" (emphasis in original).[29
Step 4: To state how seriously Jehovah's witnesses organization view child molestation
Read: Reporting to civil authorities-

A press release issued in 2003 by Jehovah's Witnesses' Office of Public Information stated: "The elders may be required by law to report even uncorroborated or unsubstantiated allegations to the authorities. If so, we expect the elders to comply."[30] The Watchtower magazine has outlined the following policy: "Depending on the law of the land where he lives, the molester may well have to serve a prison term or face other sanctions from the State. The congregation will not protect him from this."[31] A 2002 memo to all congregations stated: "Our position is that secular authorities deal with crime while elders deal with sin."[2] Even where there is no mandatory reporting requirement, victims or others having knowledge of an incident of sexual abuse must not be discouraged from reporting it.[32]

The New York Times commented: "The shape of the scandal [in Jehovah's Witnesses] is far different than in the Catholic church, where most of the people accused of abuse are priests and a vast majority of the victims were boys and young men. In the Jehovah's Witnesses, where congregations are often collections of extended families and church elders are chosen from among the laypeople, some of those accused are elders, but most are congregation members. The victims who have stepped forward are mostly girls and young women, and many accusations involve incest."[33]

Congregation elders are required to first contact the organization's legal department in cases of alleged abuse to establish whether there is a legal duty to report the sex crime to the civil authorities or not.[34] In Canada, elders have been advised: "There is a duty to report when one has reasonable and probable grounds to believe that there is abuse or a substantial risk of abuse and parents have failed to protect the child. The report shall be made forthwith to the local child welfare authorities. […] Elders must be aware, however, that once they have knowledge, they have an obligation. They cannot just hope that someone else will report. They must follow through quickly, and be sure that it is done."[35]

The elders' manual, Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock, states: "Though it is not the responsibility of the Christian congregation to enforce Caesar's laws, the very nature of some crimes demands that they be reported to secular authorities."[36] A 1995 memo to elders stated: "Many states make it mandatory that elders report an accusation to the proper authorities but other states do not. In those states where such is required, oftentimes the parent, the guardian, or the accused person himself can do the reporting."[37] This was publicized by 1997.[38]

In 2000, elders in Great Britain were instructed: "The elder approached must encourage the complainant to consider his or her responsibility to report the matter to the authorities without delay and should also explain that he himself might have a duty to report the matter to the proper authorities," and that "all in the Christian congregation will want to consider their personal and moral responsibility to alert the appropriate authorities in cases where a serious criminal offense of this type has been committed, or there exists a risk that one may be committed."

Jehovah's witnesses organization distaste evil, sins, in all its shades and colors, the fact showed that most of their unrepentant members who are removed, bears king size grudges for the scriptural disgrace

@paulgrundy , pls reply to the explaination .

dolphinheart:


@paulgrundy , pls reply to the explaination .

What do you want me to say?

paulGrundy:


What do you want me to say?

Say what is on ur mind concerning the thread u posted, and the reply u got.

dolphinheart:


Say what is on ur mind concerning the thread u posted, and the reply u got.

My thoughts doesn't matter, what matters is the unbaised judgement of the observers after comparing what the watchtower said in the OP, and indigene's quote.

paulGrundy:


My thoughts doesn't matter, what matters is the unbaised judgement of the observers after comparing what the watchtower said in the OP, and indigene's quote.

I've told u to always be truthful with ur statements. Before u say observers have to judge , allow them to see the source of ur info . Post the source so that they will be sure u are telling the truth.
Observers has seen that some of ur statements are false, hence d need for prove.
What I'm I saying sef, even you , as a person is falsehood personified.!!

@dolphinheart, Do not bother so much about paulgrundy or whatever mask he or she is putting, rather see him or her as an embittered fellow, who was scriptural expelled from among Jehovah's witnessess highly possible on grounds of serious wrongdoings maybe after many warnings.

The book he quoted has even be classified by google as outdated, One thing I raise my cap for Jehovah's witnesses was when they expelled my wealthy uncle on grounds of adultery, it shook the whole community.

Most of my uncles from my observation never attended the church they proffessed, its only when they die, that they are made post humous christains when church dues and levies are paid.

A free to post forum like nairaland, has been a wealthy resource for free information, But most atimes cranks come up with biased information, to conduct a whispering campaign against persons,groups,and minorities, the weak, who have no one to speak on their behalf.
If you are one of Jehovah's witnesess bear in mind,your members are the most intelligent, and highly enlightened among so many who merely proffesses to be christains.

indigene:
@dolphinheart, Do not bother so much about paulgrundy or whatever mask he or she is putting, rather see him or her as an embittered fellow, who was scriptural expelled from among Jehovah's witnessess highly possible on grounds of serious wrongdoings maybe after many warnings.

[size=20pt]The book he quoted has even be classified by google as outdated[/size], One thing I raise my cap for Jehovah's witnesses was when they expelled my wealthy uncle on grounds of adultery, it shook the whole community.

Most of my uncles from my observation never attended the church they proffessed, its only when they die, that they are made post humous christains when church dues and levies are paid.

A free to post forum like nairaland, has been a wealthy resource for free information, But most atimes cranks come up with biased information, to conduct a whispering campaign against persons,groups,and minorities, the weak, who have no one to speak on their behalf.
If you are one of Jehovah's witnesess bear in mind,your members are the most intelligent, and highly enlightened among so many who merely proffesses to be christains.

I have a link to your official website jw.org that shows the list of books produced by the watchtower both in and out of print.

See if you lie!! I'll expose you right now!

[size=15pt]The watchtower literature I quoted from» kingdom ministry- is not out of print, its only that The name has been changed to » shepherd the flock of God, elders manual same content differents.

its either you are lieing for the truth or you ignorantely jumped into conclusion[/size]

.
http://watchtowerbooksstore.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=185

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/kingdom-ministry/

*post edited for the sake of further clarification.

indigene:
@dolphinheart, Do not bother so much about paulgrundy or whatever mask he or she is putting, rather see him or her as an embittered fellow, who was scriptural expelled from among Jehovah's witnessess highly possible on grounds of serious wrongdoings maybe after many warnings.

The book he quoted has even be classified by google as outdated, One thing I raise my cap for Jehovah's witnesses was when they expelled my wealthy uncle on grounds of adultery, it shook the whole community.

Most of my uncles from my observation never attended the church they proffessed, its only when they die, that they are made post humous christains when church dues and levies are paid

.

Very interesting! They could expel adulterers from their midst, but their 2-witness rule policy could not expel peadophiles from their midst.

A free to post forum like nairaland, has been a wealthy resource for free information, But most atimes cranks come up with biased information, to conduct a whispering campaign against persons,groups,and minorities, the weak, who have no one to speak on their behalf.
If you are one of Jehovah's witnesess bear in mind,your members we are the most brainwashed intelligent, and highly enlightened highly controlled and manipulated among so many who merely proffesses to be christains.

Like I was expecting you to say otherwise. All members of christain groups claim to be the most intelligent and highly enlightened. Mtcheeew

paulGrundy:



I have a link to your official website jw.org that shows the list of books produced by the watchtower both in and out of print.

See if you lie!! I'll expose you right now!

[size=15pt]The watchtower literature I quoted from» kingdom ministry- is not out of print. The name has been changed to » shepherd the flock of God, elders manual.

its either you are lieing for the truth or you ignorantely jumped into conclusion[/size]

.
http://watchtowerbooksstore.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=185

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/kingdom-ministry/

You are showing everyone who u really are.
U said it is not out or print,then u said they have changed the name. Wow! Are u now saying they print 2 books with different names but same content. ?

The first website u posted, who does it belong to , the watchtower or bad people like u .

dolphinheart:



You are showing everyone who u really are.
U said it is not out or print,then u said they have changed the name. Wow! Are u now saying they print 2 books with different names but same content. ?

The first website u posted, who does it belong to , the watchtower or bad people like u .

It seems like its a disease among JW's to tell lies from dolphinbrain to BERNIMORE to honeychild to edogho. Lies! Anyway am not suprised their magazine itself is filled with lies.


You initially claimed that your magazine is out of print he proved it to your by showing you from your website, now instead of clarifying the contents of your literature, you are calling him a bad person.

Guilty conscience at work.

Honestly you need to get your head examined!!!

Yooguyz:


It seems like its a disease among JW's to tell lies from dolphinbrain to BERNIMORE to honeychild to edogho. Lies! Anyway am not suprised their magazine itself is filled with lies.


You initially claimed that your magazine is out of print he proved it to your by showing you from your website, now instead of clarifying the contents of your literature, you are calling him a bad person.

Guilty conscience at work.

Honestly you need to get your head examined!!!

It is you that needs serious examination.
Y dnt u first answer the questions I asked since you have now turned to his voltron.
Y did he say that it is not out of print but they have changed the name. What does he mean by that .? Is he saying the they are presently printing 2 books with different names but same content.

Second question is most important, who owns the first website he posted.?
Is it the watchtower that owns the two websites. ?
If guilty conscience is to worry anyone , it is you! , the left hand man of the impersonator that has no conscience

YOOGUYS=PAULGRUNDY. i know u must call me. like u miss me. *enuf play*

i don't really get u. what lie have i told u or anyone on this forum? is it because i'm suspectin yooguys and paulgrundy are d same person? ok, i no suspect again, free me. paulgrundy, u claimed jw don't discipline people who molest children? well, prove it or i don't believe it for i know those who does wrong that is not as serious as molestin d young are seriously disciplined to the extent ppl like u complain that the organisation is too harsh, check wiki u.ll see this.

i see ur modification of indigene's post, u say "brainwashed, controlled, manipulated" lol. u no serious o. that controlled and manipulated just dey crack mi ribs. ur church allows u to do as u like abi? so them no go loss the sunday2sunday, tasteDmoney offering and tithe u dey give naw... u no get? *i just dey happy since i wake unlike yesterday*. On a serious note, u lie bro, no child molester is let alone unlike in d church of rome. savvy?

edogho:
YOOGUYS=PAULGRUNDY. i know u must call me. like u miss me. *enuf play*

i don't really get u. what lie have i told u or anyone on this forum? is it because i'm suspectin yooguys and paulgrundy are d same person? ok, i no suspect again, free me. paulgrundy, u claimed jw don't discipline people who molest children? well, prove it or i don't believe it for i know those who does wrong that is not as serious as molestin d young are seriously disciplined to the extent ppl like u complain that the organisation is too harsh, check wiki u.ll see this.

i see ur modification of indigene's post, u say "brainwashed, controlled, manipulated" lol. u no serious o. that controlled and manipulated just dey crack mi ribs. ur church allows u to do as u like abi? so them no go loss the sunday2sunday, tasteDmoney offering and tithe u dey give naw... u no get? *i just dey happy since i wake unlike yesterday*. On a serious note, u lie bro, no child molester is let alone unlike in d church of rome. savvy?

Who are you refering to? Me or Yooguyz?

paulGrundy:


Who are you refering to? Me or Yooguyz?

whichever of u lies most

paulGrundy:


Who are you refering to? Me or Yooguyz?

One or the two of you, or same person of you( no mind my English) should pls answer my questions na .
I've asked the questions twice now and no response.

dolphinheart:


One or the two of you, or same person of you( no mind my English) should pls answer my questions na .
I've asked the questions twice now and no response.

the site's jwfacts.com, owned by one foreign paul grundy, a jw critic. its his job to quote archaic quotes (like d 20's and 70's) of d watchtower. his only job is to discredit d watchtower. and yooguys and paul grundy(i strongly suspect its d same person, until they agree to meet me d same time for an interview ) run some kinda affiliate program, so their job is to copy from jwfacts and paste anywhere on d internet for reasons best known to them. try ask them what they believe as to the christian faith and u'll have a real shock as to why they're running that affiliate program with that foreign paul when they hold such views themselves. paulgrundy and yooguys, una try buh una no pass. try quote from jw.org not jwfacts.com. all observers, take note...